Netflix's Battered Stock: What Next?

Staples said:
Wow, so many angry people from the entitled generation.

Lets look at this. Are there any competitors as good as Netflix who have better prices? I don't think so.
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I'm not asking the taxpayers to pay for it, or even the government to regulate the prices so I don't see what this has to do with an "entitlement".

This is actually the free market at work. Netflix raised thier prices, so people drop thier service because they don't think it's worth the price any more. If enough people drop the service and Netflix starts to loose money, then they will have to find a way to offer the service at a lower price. Same with the media companies. If the higher prices result in lower revenue due to less buyers, then they will need to re-think thier pricing structure. I believe the consumer is best served by the low price/high volume model like Walmart or Costco. Better to make 10 cents each on a million movie viewings, than to make $20 each on a few hundred viewings.

As for competitors being as good, it really depends. If you were a light user of the the Netflix service, then Redbox or pay-per-view might actually be cheaper.
 
IT Guy said:
I have a Blockbuster by my house and will be testing their Total Access for $10 that gives me DVD, Blu-Ray and game rental. If I choose to drop off my selections at the store I can have a different title EVERY day.
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Used to have 5 Blockbusters near my house/office, but they were down to one (I assume it's still there), and it's the one that is the most out of the way. If they still had one open that used to pass on the way home I might try Total Access again.

Interesting that these price increases come now that Blockbuster is mostly wiped out.
 
Evil Juggalo said:
Wouldnt be my problem, it would be his..:eek:
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Ducman69 said:
Its only gay if the balls touch.
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SoAndSo said:
or if you push back
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Commander FAT said:
A BJ is a BJ.
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Elf_Boy said:
A lot would depend on if he is nice looking or not. His 1337 skills at proving service might come into question as well.
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What the hell forum did I stumble into, with the above statments you are all gayer than a flaming moe.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

zpackrat said:
Those statements are GAY!
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Dude I agree!!!
 
If I did not have to drive by a Blockbuster I would not be doing it. It's a good value for me, but I doubt that they will get that much business from disgruntled Netflix customers due to inconvenience and past Blockbuster crap. I am just hoping that enough people leave Netflix that something positive happens. Like improving their streaming selection since that is what they want their customers to use. They hope that they will going streaming and not use the DVD business since it is costly for them to maintain (shipping costs, disc costs, replacement of damaged discs, personnel costs to handle them).
 
I went ahead and canceled my account. I never had problems with the service. I may subscribe again if streaming service gets newer movies faster.
 
I cancelled when they stopped renting Old movies that have been released on Blu-Ray. I mean they dont carry some of the greatest movies on Blu-Ray, they dont even have The Goonies on Blu-Ray! The streaming selceltion is Lame at best, They have so many movies available for streaming that either suck or that i have never heard of its almost comical.
 
CryingGod said:
If they can't afford it they need to get a better job that can support the 'lifestyle they think they need".:rolleyes:
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It's not a lifestyle. Everyone has the right to enjoy life, if that's being withheld due to socioeconomic injustice then it becomes free.
As I said, corporations and governments rape the world of resources. Stealing a movie really isn't much of a crime in comparison.

It's OK for the big dogs to commit crimes (simply unrecognized crimes), yet when we do it, it's bloody murder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQBWGo7pef8
 
The problem with netflix is that for $18 for bluray and streaming ican get my movies for cheaper from my library (they rent blurays here) ,redbox, cablevod, and itunes. There is just way too much competition for netflix to raise their prices that high.

Keep in mind places like itunes and my library get movies most of the time before netflix streaming does.
 
What I don’t understand is a few things:
1. Yes redbox is usually a distance from your house or place of dwelling, but most of the time you will pass one on your way home from work, or running errands around town, so the argument of gas and time isn’t really that valid. But yes, redbox doesn’t have streaming or a vast selection which I understand; I'm just saying that the gas and time argument holds little weight.
2. Why does the punishment not fit the crime in the pirating laws? You would think we committed treason, plotted to kill someone, or stole a priceless artifact by the sheer amount of money that companies are trying to extort from one single person.
3. Who do these companies think they are? I mean they act as if they are above economics and that previous trends and how the market works do not apply to them in the way of they can do whatever they won’t and "think" they can get away with it. It’s sad really.

 
housecat said:
It's not a lifestyle. Everyone has the right to enjoy life, if that's being withheld due to socioeconomic injustice then it becomes free.
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No, you have the right to [legitimately] pursue the enjoyment of life. You've left "socioeconomic injustice" undefined and have cited no examples of it being "withheld."
As I said, corporations and governments rape the world of resources. Stealing a movie really isn't much of a crime in comparison.

It's OK for the big dogs to commit crimes (simply unrecognized crimes), yet when we do it, it's bloody murder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQBWGo7pef8
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- Murky and loaded language
- False correlation
- Two wrongs don't make a right
- Mind projection fallacy
- The list goes on
- Fail
 
The cable companies love Netflix's move... gives someone else for the consumer to hate. Netflix killed its competition and turned prices north.
 
oh my, I read through 5 pages of hate because of their choice with a few (very few) post welcoming the change.

Funny, the people who welcomes their new change is the people who only plan on keeping one service and not both as you always had?

I have their service but I do not use it. I got it for my mom and she uses both streaming and Dvd's but I think I will be cancelling one or maybe both options. It is not an issue of weather or not I can afford it, but an issue of it being such a large price hike in service.

I think they offer Great Service. When I did use their service for myself (2-3 years ago) I had a 8 DVD take-out rental plan and had maybe less than 10 bad Disc in the 8 or so months I used it. I tried recently some of their streaming selection and while some of the titles I looked for was not available it was not a big deal. Its not like they have been in the streaming business as long as the Disc rentals business + at $10 a month you cant really complain you are getting what you pay for. As with all companies they all will get Greedy if they offer good service and increase their pricing,

I feel that if they had raised price by $3 now show subscribers some of the new improvements they made (if any) and then another $3 6-12 months from now there would of been alot less backlash.
 
Ya know, I usually support Netflix for the most part - but their throttling pisses me off to no end. I went 7 months without getting a single dvd and when they changed their plans, decided to get a few movies through the mail before dropping to all streaming. Mind you, my post office is also the one netflix uses (their warehouse is nearby), so shipping is extremely quick. Since I returned two movies two weeks ago, now I'm throttled to one movie a week (if they receive it on Monday, they'll ship on Wednesday/Thursday).

I understand the need to not be in the negative by heavy users, but holy crap. You can't advertise unlimited if you're going to throttle like that.
 
I'm cancelling mine in about another week. I've been paying for it for 3-4 months, and I just don't find myself using it enough. There just isn't enough instant content that I'm interested in. The DVD plan would be better for me as far as selection goes, but I'm very impulsive.. what I want to watch now likely isn't what I want to watch in 3 days.

I'd have cancelled last week except for the fact that they immediately cancel your account and don't let you finish off the month you already paid for. Bastards.

When I cancel that, I'm going to end up upgrading our cable to a DVR box. I only saw like the first episode or two of Burn Notice, Covert Affairs, Royal Pains, and The Glades this season. It is killing me.
 
$7.99 a month is too much? I honestly think they made the changes in plans as more of a marketing experiment to see whether people were more interested in streaming vs DVDs in the mail, and hopefully they will start to release more streaming content if they feel their customers are more interested in this avenue. If I could everything they offer via streaming I'd gladly pay $20 a month instead of paying for cable tv (which I don't have at the moment anyway_.
 
I quit Netflix, between the price change and the fact that I've seen every movie that exists over the past few years, it was no longer worth it.
 
housecat said:
Just as no one forces me to go to work.
I still need to eat.

Everyone needs to enjoy life, even if they can't afford it.
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I haven't posted in a while, but this statement about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
You're comparing pirating Transformers 3 to eating?

And then you go off on a tangent about the western world's economic problems?
Dude... you won't die if you don't see Transformers 3.

I'm not gonna judge you on what you think you need to have an enjoyable life, but I can say for a fact that there's things out there to enjoy that don't involving downloading from a torrent.

I've never given much thought to the whole piracy thing. But I do know this, if I enjoy a luxury item (lets face it most of the things that are pirated are entertainment or a luxury) I pay for it. And some of the stuff that comes out of peoples mouths to justify their pirating is astounding.
 
rflcptr said:
It'll be an interesting day when people accept personal responsibility.
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It's not irresponsible to steal. Actually, it's competition, simply not by your rules. If someone is smarter (speaking of those who develop means of circumventing theft countermeasures, rather than those who simply employ them), they win. You can scream about how it's against your moral code and leaves an ugly smudge on your worldview, but content producers/distributors and service providers have no choice but to man up and do better at protecting their products/services. As to the best way of going about this? Don't treat your customers like shit. Don't make it clear (because it's implicit in the transaction to begin with) that you consider them a commodity. I'm not saying I agree with theft in all circumstances, and if you're looking at this within an ideologically black/white framework, you'll see nothing in my reply but a justification of theft. I think it's purely a mechanical opposing force that helps check greed, but I must admit it's comforting to know that it's out there.
 
MiG31_Foxhound said:
It's not irresponsible to steal. Actually, it's competition, simply not by your rules. If someone is smarter (speaking of those who develop means of circumventing theft countermeasures, rather than those who simply employ them), they win. You can scream about how it's against your moral code and leaves an ugly smudge on your worldview, but content producers/distributors and service providers have no choice but to man up and do better at protecting their products/services. As to the best way of going about this? Don't treat your customers like shit. Don't make it clear (because it's implicit in the transaction to begin with) that you consider them a commodity. I'm not saying I agree with theft in all circumstances, and if you're looking at this within an ideologically black/white framework, you'll see nothing in my reply but a justification of theft. I think it's purely a mechanical opposing force that helps check greed, but I must admit it's comforting to know that it's out there.
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What you're saying is it is ok to steal as long as the person you are stealing from is immoral. IMO, that's a pretty ridiculous argument to justify theft.
 
Actually he is saying it is ok to steal from people as long as touring get caught because then it is the victim's fault.

100% the most asinine and stupidest thing. I've ever heard uttered from a person's lips. I really don't believe the majority of people think before they speak or else try have an IQ lower than pocket lint.
 
I dumped them a while back, when they raised streaming the first time. I now send my money to Hulu.
 
Climber said:
Actually he is saying it is ok to steal from people as long as touring get caught because then it is the victim's fault.
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No. What I'm saying is that greed and entitlement are apt counters to greed and entitlement. Producers are by nature predatory (or at least to succeed, they should be), and simply loathe when consumers find a way to regulate their ambitions. You really can't contend that the best deterrent against theft is customer loyalty. Exploiting customers has consequences and that's a good thing, even if you abhor the method by which it happens.
 
I've rented a Blu-ray and 2 DVDs this week for a grand total of 54 cents (including tax) thanks to Redbox and their giveaway codes. :cool: Try to beat that, Netflix! :cool:
 
m0rn said:
I haven't posted in a while, but this statement about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
You're comparing pirating Transformers 3 to eating?
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Yes.

People have a right to entertainment. This isn't the constitution, this is a decision made by many individuals everywhere. Happiness is not a luxury item, if people feel they need it, they should have access and so they take it. Deal with it.
 
rflcptr said:
No, you have the right to [legitimately] pursue the enjoyment of life. You've left "socioeconomic injustice" undefined and have cited no examples of it being "withheld."
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I don't have to explain everything to you, go read a book. Quoting some government document has no relevance here. I have the right to entertainment, because I've made it so. It's my decision vs your laws and rules, and I'm still winning that war with many others joining me.
 
housecat said:
Yes.

People have a right to entertainment. This isn't the constitution, this is a decision made by many individuals everywhere. Happiness is not a luxury item, if people feel they need it, they should have access and so they take it. Deal with it.
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I havent read through the whole topic but are you talking about stealiing actual physical items from other people or just digital media?
 
TheCommander said:
I havent read through the whole topic but are you talking about stealiing actual physical items from other people or just digital media?
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Whatever doesn't harm someone else. Taking someones last piece of bread is obviously wrong as you'd be starving them.

But outside the physical realm, the center of debate in this thread- the debate is even clearer.

Taking a copy of a movie you weren't going to pay for anyway, its 100% harmless and not wrong (depending on who you ask). People quote obscure US government documents as if they are relevant to the world, humanity, or even a US citizen who doesn't recognize the document. It's a pointless reference, and only backed up through police/courts and other methods of force.. but you don't have to recognize authority, and many don't.

Watching a movie for free doesn't collapse society. I'd argue increasing the disparity of wealth or happiness by not allowing something so harmless to fall into the hands of the less-fortunate or even cheap, is worse for society.
Worse than worrying about enforcing "morality" against theft, which is really just a fancy way of saying "don't steal rich men's products, they don't want you to do that because they need more yachts".

Many musicians and filmmakers give their product away AND sell it, because of this reasoning. Sometimes, the cheapskates and thieves actually pay something in this scenario out of respect, rather than the usual force employed.
 
Unfortunately, we live in the real world and not your make believe one...
 
nutzo said:
I got tired of the long waits in my queue and waiting months for Netflix to finally ship a new title.
Then they added an additional 30 days to the delay.
Finally they raised the price for less service.

I canceled for now.
Maybe when the quality of the streaming improves, and they strart streaming reciently released movies I might reconsider.
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Their lack of quality new releases may be what ends up killing them. It's like they're fast becoming the cheap-o rental store down the corner when Blockbuster and the "good" movie rental stores kicked everyone's asses back in the 80s. If someone comes along with a solid new release offering they could very well crush Netflix's streaming service.
 
BobSutan said:
If someone comes along with a solid new release offering they could very well crush Netflix's streaming service.
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Except that's not going to happen for less than $10.00 a month.

I'm pretty sure if Netflix could convince people to pay $50.00 a month,they would be able to buy more current content.....but virtually one would pay that, and we all know it
 
Shadinn said:
I went ahead and canceled my account. I never had problems with the service. I may subscribe again if streaming service gets newer movies faster.
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And this is what made the price hike the straw that broke the camels back. When Netflix had to increase the ammount of time it takes for movies to be available that I think put people on edge and the price hike simply gave them the push that sent them over.

If the media industry was smart it could indeed avoid a lot of piracy by reducing the availability of movies on these services to 15 days max and the services would be able to combat piracy much easier.

Think about it. A movie hits DVD for $15 - $20. Give the box stores 15 to 30 days to make their money as these are places that have actual money tied up in stock of the physical product then let the digital companies have a go at it.

Probably the best way to go is to allow these digitial sources to allow a customer to view the new content on day 1 but only allow the content to be viewed once the first week or maybe 3 times within the first 2 weeks then maybe 5 more times the next 2 weeks at which time you can open the flood gates. This would suffice for most viewers and would restrict them from having multiple viewings at their house everytime a new friend comes over.

I know I have some friends that get pirated copies of movies the day before or the day of a dvd release and they generally have vieweings in their basement with popcorn, pizza and the whole nine yards when their friends come over. They still have netflix though and I believe that if they could get a true 720p or 1080p viewing reguardless of restrictions on day one thru netflix, they wouldn't spend $3 on a pirated dvd where the quality isn't even "DVD quality" often coming in at 600x400 resolution which seriously impacts trhe effect of some movies when the picture is displayed on a 52" 1080p tv.

I believe it is fact that those lost customers are now at higher risk of pirating content they were going to pay for so now Netflix and the movie industry lose.

Give me access to digitally streamed 1080p content on day one at a reasonable monthly price and I would indeed pay $30 a month for the service. Make me wait 30 to 60 days and I'll likely avoid leaving the house to go rent the movie and just pirate an inferior quality copy to satisfy my curriosity. I am not a saint and neither is 99.99% of the population and am not above piracy as such.

Hell, both of my parents pirate now that I showed them torrents and they are relatively computer illiterate aside from checking emails, internet news and now torrenting so you can't tell me people in the 50+ age range are immune to caring if the movie industry loses a couple bucks. No one is above saving a few bucks.
 
housecat said:
People have a right to entertainment.
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No, they don't. Sorry. :)
This isn't the constitution, this is a decision made by many individuals everywhere.
Happiness is not a luxury item, if people feel they need it, they should have access and so they take it. Deal with it.
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Happiness is not equal to entertainment. They are not interchangeable.
Taking a copy of a movie you weren't going to pay for anyway, its 100% harmless and not wrong (depending on who you ask).
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housecat said:
I don't have to explain everything to you, go read a book.
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Is this a book you've also stolen, by chance?
Quoting some government document has no relevance here. I have the right to entertainment, because I've made it so. It's my decision vs your laws and rules, and I'm still winning that war with many others joining me.
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Begging the question.
Bandwagon.
Try again.
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