Battlefield 3 - Official Thread

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Jellylesg said:
It really wouldn't. Not as retarded as being able to fire an AK full-auto and track a moving target accurately. I'm not talking full-blown realism, but I'm really wondering when mainstream games are going to stop showing rifles firing .308 and behaving like an airsoft replica.
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To be fair, it's not .308 winchester/7.62 NATO, it's 7.62x39 as opposed to 7.62x51mm that is fired in the G3, M14 and such.

But owning an M14 ([ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Mark_14_Mod_0_Enhanced_Battle_Rifle"]Mk 14 Enhanced Battle Rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:MK14.png" class="image"><img alt="MK14.png" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/MK14.png/300px-MK14.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/a/a6/MK14.png/300px-MK14.png[/ame]), a glock 21, 41 magnum and 44magnum, having fired an M4, G3, M1 Garand etc - I think I can speak to recoil - my M14 now that it's in a SAGE stock has LESS recoil than the original stock...but it's still got KICK.

I want a game to factor that in. I DO NOT want laz0rs. If I want instagib, I'll dig up UT99. I play BF for some degree of realism - and that means firing a gun that isn't mounted on a tripod is going to be VERY inaccurate.

The only gun I've fired to date in full auto that I found controllable was the MP5...and even so, it rose up and to the right still...just slower than an M4 would. And WAY slower than a G3 or M14 would.
 
Recent multiplayer videos...

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Ya, this recoil thing has me down even though I was expecting it.

On a positive note though, I think the maps look much more like BF2 maps. There are actual corridors and large buildings, some of which you can't go in, and only limited places where you can go in the open ones. Remember, BC2 maps have some landscape features, but for the most part they are open areas with a bunch of very small destructible buildings thrown in which are usually leveled quickly.

I would say I had two big hopes for this game. One was old style/realistic recoil and it looks like I'll be disappointed there. The other is maps that feel more like BF2, and I think I'll be getting my wish there. Maybe the tie breaker will be whether I can disable 3d spotting without the rest of the changes in hardcore.
 
SUPERGT said:
Full screen as in bringing the scope zooms the whole screen in, rather than just the scope. Not sure about you, but in real life when I look down a scope, my eyes aren't whats doing the magnification. Iron sights as well shouldn't be zooming in at all.
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Separate zooms for the scope and surrounding means you need to redraw the scene for the scope with a different fov, it's bad performance wise and that's exactly why they said they weren't doing it.
 
socK said:
Separate zooms for the scope and surrounding means you need to redraw the scene for the scope with a different fov, it's bad performance wise and that's exactly why they said they weren't doing it.
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Works fine in Red Orchestra (both 1 & 2), the scope has never been a factor in performance degradation. Dice will give an excuse for anything to be able to cut corners.

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I just wish they would improve upon the realism from BF2, rather than go backwards. Oh well.
 
Realism in BF2, that is a great joke. You couldn't even shoot through concrete or even wood with the .50 cal sniper. The guns recoil, was a joke if you knew how to play. You could shoot right at someone(As in iron sight is right on them) and you could miss every shot for some reason.

Why does everyone want a supe fucking realistic game to be BF3. That won't be fun at all. Go play Arma if you want full blown realism. BF3 is managing to mix some realism with some fun arcade style. You keep saying your just gonna go play RO2, well then go do it and stop coming in here and complaining about BF3.
 
SUPERGT said:
Works fine in Red Orchestra (both 1 & 2), the scope has never been a factor in performance degradation. Dice will give an excuse for anything to be able to cut corners.

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I just wish they would improve upon the realism from BF2, rather than go backwards. Oh well.
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Maybe it's because RO looks like junk in comparison to BF3, and uses less resources? I'm not going to nitpick over something so dumb.
 
First time I've ever heard someone call BF2 realistic.

Seriously now, it's barely better than Call of Duty in that regard. Some of you really need to take off those rose-tinted goggles.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Realism in BF2, that is a great joke. You couldn't even shoot through concrete or even wood with the .50 cal sniper. The guns recoil, was a joke if you knew how to play. You could shoot right at someone(As in iron sight is right on them) and you could miss every shot for some reason.

Why does everyone want a supe fucking realistic game to be BF3. That won't be fun at all. Go play Arma if you want full blown realism. BF3 is managing to mix some realism with some fun arcade style. You keep saying your just gonna go play RO2, well then go do it and stop coming in here and complaining about BF3.
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I don't want full blown realism. When did I ever say that? Don't make assumptions.

I want a balance. What I see in these videos is effing instagib. That isn't balance. It's one end of the spectrum. Just as bad as COD4.
 
More leaked footage!

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Looks stunning in 1080P!
 
rampantandroid said:
I don't want full blown realism. When did I ever say that? Don't make assumptions.

I want a balance. What I see in these videos is effing instagib. That isn't balance. It's one end of the spectrum. Just as bad as COD4.
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USMCGrunt said:
I'd say one of two things is going on with recoil in that video.

1. They haven't gotten around to working actual recoil in yet
2. The recoil is there but the weapon movements havent been completed.
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Even though the game essentially looks finished, it's still alpha.

DICE got raked over the coals for the lack of recoil in MOH...I doubt they will make the same mistake again.
 
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Plague_Injected said:
There is no "full screen zoom for sniper scope" in those videos (just brings the scope up to the eye) and BF2 had hit markers.

People are just being either obscenely anal or flatout incorrect now. I'm starting to hope DICE makes Battlefield a console-only title after BF3 just so whinging PC brats don't get to play it anymore.
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While I agree with you, it is whining not whinging, which you have used each and every single time up to this point.
 
himmy said:
While I agree with you, it is whining not whinging, which you have used each and every single time up to this point.
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'Whinging' is a word in British and Australian vernacular. Rhymes with "hinge", "fringe" and "cringe".
 
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Plague_Injected said:
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Even though the game essentially looks finished, it's still alpha.

DICE got raked over the coals for the lack of recoil in MOH...I doubt they will make the same mistake again.
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The recoil so far reminds me very much of BC2. If you think it's going to change dramatically then I think you're being way too optimistic. Neither of us know though, so I guess no point in arguing much about it.
 
It pains me to say this but the more gameplay footage I watch the more this looks like BC3 and NOT BF3. I know the fanboys are gonna flame me for saying that but I can't help it. Mind you I like Bc2 but I really was hoping this would be a true sequel to BF2/2142 and while it still might be that gameplay sure doesn't show me that. Ok so it's rush gameplay and not conquest on large open scale conquest maps so we'll see if and when that footage leaks. Until then though.../sigh. BC3 with better graphics? ehh I hope not.
 
Alpha. Umm k. Games due out in 3 months ya think it's gonna change all that much? KK. Alpha.
 
3 months is a lot of time though. If the beta is in september.... i mean they have a little more time to polish it.
 
I could definitely see them changing something like the zoom only being on the scope. I just can't see them completely changing the feel of the guns.
 
SUPERGT said:
Works fine in Red Orchestra (both 1 & 2), the scope has never been a factor in performance degradation. Dice will give an excuse for anything to be able to cut corners.

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I just wish they would improve upon the realism from BF2, rather than go backwards. Oh well.
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It was in the first game and noticeably damaged performance on my computer at the time, which is exactly why they had a setting to disable it.

Also it looks like horse shit compared to BF3. There's no point in eating the potentially huge extra render cost depending on where you're looking and creating a gameplay difference at the same time. BF is not realistic and never will be, I don't know why people expect DICE to go out of their way to make a crushingly realistic experience at all costs.
 
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Savoy said:
Alpha. Umm k. Games due out in 3 months ya think it's gonna change all that much? KK. Alpha.
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Um, yes. It's crunch time, some people are probably working 12+ hours a day.

Ughghh fuck there's no way someone can sit down and change some text files to change how weapons behave !! AND THEN PLAY WITH THE NEW SETTINGS !! within 3 months
 
Savoy said:
It pains me to say this but the more gameplay footage I watch the more this looks like BC3 and NOT BF3. I know the fanboys are gonna flame me for saying that but I can't help it. Mind you I like Bc2 but I really was hoping this would be a true sequel to BF2/2142 and while it still might be that gameplay sure doesn't show me that. Ok so it's rush gameplay and not conquest on large open scale conquest maps so we'll see if and when that footage leaks. Until then though.../sigh. BC3 with better graphics? ehh I hope not.
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I agree. I liked BC2, but I really just care about 64 player conquest in BF3, and we haven't seen much footage of it yet, if any.
 
himmy said:
Alpha is BEFORE features are complete.
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You seriously are trying to teach me about what an alpha stage of game development means? LOL thanks for the heads up.

I'm talking about the game itself it looked like a jazzed up version of BC2. That is all. No teamwork, no BF2/2142 style of squadmanship etc. Even the dam ugly orange icons over peoples heads in the distance. The UI and the UI over mcoms etc. The game just screamed to me BC3. I'm sorry but it did. I hope I'm wrong believe me. You have NO IDEA what a huge fan of the BF series I am but that doesn't mean I'm going to close my eyes to what I've seen in these gameplay videos so far. It wreeks of BC NOT BF. At least in this game mode. What I want to see is conuest mode on BIG conquest maps with all vehicles. Then I can really get a idea of what we have here.
 
Savoy said:
It pains me to say this but the more gameplay footage I watch the more this looks like BC3 and NOT BF3. I know the fanboys are gonna flame me for saying that but I can't help it. Mind you I like Bc2 but I really was hoping this would be a true sequel to BF2/2142 and while it still might be that gameplay sure doesn't show me that. Ok so it's rush gameplay and not conquest on large open scale conquest maps so we'll see if and when that footage leaks. Until then though.../sigh. BC3 with better graphics? ehh I hope not.
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This. When are we going to see some footage with planes, huge maps, squad team play, all that made Battlefield great? IMO DICE ruined the Battlefield series on the pc when they came out with Bad Company 2. BC2 is a good game no doubt, but it's missing the epic scope of BF2. I've never had squad play in BC2 like in BF2. And from what we've seen BF3 will be BC2.5. And don't tell me it's alpha version, they haven't shown footage of big maps, etc. because we know how full of shit that is. Core design changes do not happen from alpha to gold, and if they could prove the disappointed BF2 fans wrong then they would have already done so.
 
Eagle156 said:
This. When are we going to see some footage with planes, huge maps, squad team play, all that made Battlefield great? IMO DICE ruined the Battlefield series on the pc when they came out with Bad Company 2. BC2 is a good game no doubt, but it's missing the epic scope of BF2. I've never had squad play in BC2 like in BF2. And from what we've seen BF3 will be BC2.5. And don't tell me it's alpha version, they haven't shown footage of big maps, etc. because we know how full of shit that is. Core design changes do not happen from alpha to gold, and if they could prove the disappointed BF2 fans wrong then they would have already done so.
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Actually...core design changes DO occur from alpha to gold. Alpha is not features complete so they CAN still add/remove features which ultimately can change the whole balance of the game....

Also, seems some of you migt not be considering that they (the alpha testers) have been given an alpha version of the game that has been specifically built for their use and not have all the maps or maybe even a fraction of the maps that we will get since they may not have that part of the game done yet...just saying.


Calm down and wait for the game....and if you can't and your too upset that you have to bitch and hate on it...then do it to yourself and go play another game and not play BF3...show the devs with your wallet...not your fellow players with your mouth.
 
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