AMD Radeon HD 6990 Details Leaked

QuothTheRaven said:
Oh, good catch. My monitors are 1920x1080, so I tend to forget about these distinctions.
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I only remember because I'm trying to save money to GET eyefinity. got 2x6850 and a single 23inch display right now, and the cards are itching for a workout. This kind of card though makes my 6850s feel like a couple of BB guns next to a double barreled shotgun.
 
Expected price range for this? I'm always curious to see how these things pan out. I never know what to expect with price drops as time goes on because of the economy
 
There are two things that I am skeptical about:

1. The AUSUM acronym. AMD has never made an acronym that does not go with one of its product's names, especially one that is poorly contrived.

2. At the bottom of the slides it says NDA Required. In all of the slide shows that I had seen for the 4000 and 5000 series IIRC it would say 'Under Embargo Until MMDDYYYY', and it would have a specific date for the release on the slides.

EDIT: Never mind about number 2, my memory was off on that one.
 
If those quadfire scaling numbers are true...

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BloodyIron said:
They're talking about the same card, if you switch the BIOS toggle from position 2 to position 1 it naturally overclocks it and that is what they are illustrating.
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Yeah, but on the slide with the features chart, under the 6990OC it has 450 watts. It is impossible to pull that from the slot + 2 8pin connectors without killing a psu. Unless whoever made the slides doesn't know what they're doing.
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JMccovery said:
Yeah, but on the slide with the features chart, under the 6990OC it has 450 watts. It is impossible to pull that from the slot + 2 8pin connectors without killing a psu. Unless whoever made the slides doesn't know what they're doing.
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150(2) + 75 = 375 watts

Could a PSU supply 375 watts through (2) 8 pin and the PCIe slot? If no why not? Both of the 8 pin connectors have LLC, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to.
 
JMccovery said:
Yeah, but on the slide with the features chart, under the 6990OC it has 450 watts. It is impossible to pull that from the slot + 2 8pin connectors without killing a psu. Unless whoever made the slides doesn't know what they're doing.
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Of course it is possible. It won't kill the PSU, either. Crappy PSUs will have troubles, just like they already do. People who actually buy this card and use the switch should have good PSUs, which won't be bothered that it exceeeds spec. It is just a higher load on the PSU, most of those cables are wired up to the same rail anyway, so the PSU doesnt know or care if you load 1 8 pin with 300w vs. loading 2 8 pin with 150w each.

Everyone who has overclocked the GTX 480 (which exceeds spec at stock speed) or 5970 can verify that
 
tory said:
Most likely But i would rather pay ~599 - 699 for a dual card than 1000-1200 for 2 580s or 1000+ for a 590

but i do agree the graphs are bad
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If those numbers are true it would seem even a 570 SLI would beat the 6990 OC though not by a huge margin. And 2 of those cards can be had for $700. Again if those numbers are true, I think AMD needs to release this card at a sub-700 pricing to be really competitive. As it stands the only reason to not get a 570 SLI over the Antilles is the 1.2mb vram limit though I've heard some add-in boards have 1.5+.
 
Vagrant_Zero said:
If those numbers are true it would seem even a 570 SLI would beat the 6990 OC though not by a huge margin. And 2 of those cards can be had for $700. Again if those numbers are true, I think AMD needs to release this card at a sub-700 pricing to be really competitive. As it stands the only reason to not get a 570 SLI over the Antilles is the 1.2mb vram limit though I've heard some add-in boards have 1.5+.
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Yeah, the 2GB memory definitely gives the advantage over to the 6990. Sure you can get higher memory on the 570 or 580 too, but then the price goes up as well. And if those scaling numbers are true...
 
I love the how OC version's graph shows a 7% increase via a preposterously large bar just to take up all the space.
 
how much better is this compared to 6950/6970?
i'm too lazy to compare graphs
 
That's_Corporate said:
Since you're new, I'll just respectfully remind you: You're on [H].

Maybe cut and paste your response on a YouTube comment or something.
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No screw that because the last time I got in a video card debate on here everybody and their cousin was all about the power consumption. They referred to the power use like it was equivalent to frames per second. So no, dismissed!
Because we all know thats the card people pull when they are trying to convince you theirs is faster than your's when it's not....mine is more EFFICIENT!:eek:
 
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Yeah, but on the slide with the features chart, under the 6990OC it has 450 watts. It is impossible to pull that from the slot + 2 8pin connectors without killing a psu. Unless whoever made the slides doesn't know what they're doing.
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Explain in technical terms why it's "impossible" to pull 450W from 2x8pin PCI-E cables from the PSU. How do the extra two ground wires that make a 6-pin connector into an 8-pin connector suddenly increase the amount of power that can be provided by the same three +12V wires? ;)
 
nobody_here said:
No screw that because the last time I got in a video card debate on here everybody and their cousin was all about the power consumption. They referred to the power use like it was equivalent to frames per second. So no, dismissed!
Because we all know thats the card people pull when they are trying to convince you theirs is faster than your's when it's not....mine is more EFFICIENT!:eek:
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I believe you are missing the point. Those arguments were aimed at the fact that the Nvidia GTX 470 and 480 used SIGNIFICANTLY more power and were significantly hotter than their 5850 and 5870 competitors, but did not perform that much better, and were thus significantly less efficient and more expensive, so were, in general, difficult to recommend. This is slightly different- compared to its contemporaries, this is NOT significantly less efficient. Its power usage is more in line with its performance than something like the GTX480 was.
 
It is all about performance per watt. You either got it or you don't.
 
More performance but more heat and noise is forgivable (high end card vs a low end card)
Same performance but more heat and noise is not really forgivable
Same performance but more heat and noise, and a higher price tag is unforgivable

With the HD6990 being a clear 60%+ faster than the GTX580, it can basically make as much noise and use as much power as it likes until we see what the GTX590 is capable of. However it turns out, if the 590 can compete for performance, I'm expecting it to be pricier, more power hungry and noisier.
 
BloodyIron said:
Why is this only coming with miniDP to SL DVI instead of DL DVI? UGH.
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One only needs dual-link DVI for display resolutions higher than 1920x1200@60Hz. Simply put, if one can afford multiple 30" monitors, or multiple 1920x1080 120Hz monitors, the cost of active DP to dual-link DVI converters is insignificant compared to the rest of their setup.

The included adapters are a nice touch for those with multiple 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 non-DP displays running at 60Hz.
 
aero449 said:
One only needs dual-link DVI for display resolutions higher than 1920x1200@60Hz. Simply put, if one can afford multiple 30" monitors, or multiple 1920x1080 120Hz monitors, the cost of active DP to dual-link DVI converters is insignificant compared to the rest of their setup.

The included adapters are a nice touch for those with multiple 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 non-DP displays running at 60Hz.
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Thank you... You were a little more diplomatic than I would of been with that little logic bender.
 
kllrnohj said:
Of course it is possible. It won't kill the PSU, either. Crappy PSUs will have troubles, just like they already do. People who actually buy this card and use the switch should have good PSUs, which won't be bothered that it exceeeds spec. It is just a higher load on the PSU, most of those cables are wired up to the same rail anyway, so the PSU doesnt know or care if you load 1 8 pin with 300w vs. loading 2 8 pin with 150w each.

Everyone who has overclocked the GTX 480 (which exceeds spec at stock speed) or 5970 can verify that
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Exactly. The extra wires simply mean you can potentially draw more power without burning the wire. Add more wires or increase the AWG...that's one way to do that. But given the connecotrs themselves cannot be increased in size, add more connectors.

Either way, a 450W card I don't find hard to believe.

And tbh, if it's IMPOSSIBLE for this card to be powered, how the hell do people do insane SLI and CF configs?
 
TwistedAegis said:
Gotta love the scales on marketing graphs...108% is 3x as tall as 100%! 6990 is 67% faster than gtx580, but 400% taller on the graph! :rolleyes:
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hahaha, ya I hated that


But in all seriousness, if this thing is around a $500 price point, then I've found my next card

*fingers crossed*
 
JMccovery said:
The HD6990OC version will apparently have 3 PCI-E power connectors: 2 8pin and 1 6-pin, that's the only way I can see getting 450W on a card.

If the Asus Ares 5970 came loaded with 2 8pin and 1 6pin, then, what would the Ares 6990 come with? 3 8pin? This also makes me wonder how many connectors the Asus Mars GTX590 and EVGA GTX590 FTW cards will come with...

*67% faster than GTX580, if true, would be amazing, though I wish the stock 6990 could be 67% faster than the GTX580.

EDIT: I wonder if AMD will release a STREAM version of this card.
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POWER BILL IS HIGH ENOUGH LOL
 
I just watched the video on the front page, and I just wanna know what board and cpu is that 6990 running on?
 
anexanhume said:
What's scarier is the big power draw jump.
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That's because it switches from 1.12v to 1.175v in addition to raising the clocks. I don't think people fully grasp how huge an impact upping the voltage has on power usage around here. Hopefully that bump in voltage will greatly increase the OC headroom and the factory OC settings are just to get you started *fingers crossed*

nobody_here said:
No screw that because the last time I got in a video card debate on here everybody and their cousin was all about the power consumption. They referred to the power use like it was equivalent to frames per second. So no, dismissed!
Because we all know thats the card people pull when they are trying to convince you theirs is faster than your's when it's not....mine is more EFFICIENT!:eek:
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The only time power usage comes up is if performance is the same or only slightly different but power usage is very different. That also matters more at stock speeds than overclocked.
 
IF those slides are real, and IF the card actually performs like the slides say they will, then holy shit.
 
These look to be nice cards in a dual setup if the crossfire bridge actually holds up. ;)
 
yeah i want this so bad but will wait for the review

whats with the 6990 OC monicker? taking a thing from nvidia?
 
samuelmorris said:
More performance but more heat and noise is forgivable (high end card vs a low end card)
Same performance but more heat and noise is not really forgivable
Same performance but more heat and noise, and a higher price tag is unforgivable

With the HD6990 being a clear 60%+ faster than the GTX580, it can basically make as much noise and use as much power as it likes until we see what the GTX590 is capable of. However it turns out, if the 590 can compete for performance, I'm expecting it to be pricier, more power hungry and noisier.
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So..now the HD 6990 can be as power hungry as it wants ? Hilarious...considering your recent comments about how the HD 6990 wouldn't even go beyond spec, which were based on nothing else but your wishful thinking.

And you're really not basing your "guess" of "clear 60%+ faster than a GTX 580" on marketing slides are you ? If you are, be prepared for more disappointment :)

And I'm not surprised that you still consider the possibility that the GTX 590 won't compete in performance or actually beat the HD 6990. As for the price, again, neither will be pricier than the other, if the performance is similar. If either one is faster than the other, then it will cost more. This is quite simple stuff...actually common sense.
 
samuelmorris said:
More performance but more heat and noise is forgivable (high end card vs a low end card)
Same performance but more heat and noise is not really forgivable
Same performance but more heat and noise, and a higher price tag is unforgivable

With the HD6990 being a clear 60%+ faster than the GTX580, it can basically make as much noise and use as much power as it likes until we see what the GTX590 is capable of. However it turns out, if the 590 can compete for performance, I'm expecting it to be pricier, more power hungry and noisier.
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Except to point out the obvious, since you clearly missed it, that the 6990 is a dual GPU while the 580 is not, so your comparison is invalid. Now if you want to compare SLI 580 vs the 6990 then speak on!
 
Silus said:
And you're really not basing your "guess" of "clear 60%+ faster than a GTX 580" on marketing slides are you ? If you are, be prepared for more disappointment :)
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I've actually found those marketing slides to usually be correct in terms of relative performance and performance increases for the specs and resolution/settings they're using. Which makes sense, since actually lying in them would get them very bad publicity. That's also why they make the differences in the graphs so huge, even though the numerical differences are small; they're telling the truth, but they want it to appear even better than it is.

So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the 6990 is 60'ish% faster than the GTX580 in the games, settings and benchmarks they've used to make the graphs. But of course, they will have picked the most favorable results they could produce, so I wouldn't expect the 67% thing to hold as a general average.
 
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