good-bye vista

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that's it, i'm giving vista the boot. after only about 2 weeks of using vista ultimate x64 and going through basically hell, i've had it. I just had to reinstall my graphics driver because the old one would constantly crash (BUT, it would successfully restart! HEY THANKS VISTA!). Rebooted, same thing. Rebooted with f8 driver signing disabled, STILL THE SAME THING. this is absolutely outrageous. I didn't want to have to jump on the vista hate bandwagon, but honestly, this OS is a piece of shit as far as i'm concerned. Even if it ran stable, the fact that it offers me nothing that I need that xp can't, just makes me this much happier to get it off my goddamn computer. good bye and good riddance.

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Well, it's not Vista's fault you can't install a graphics driver now is it?
But in all seriousness, what driver where you using?
 
if you're wanting to run 64 bit, XP is pretty good. Its stable as hell. The only problem with it is that i've run into some software compatibility issues, mostly having to do with Apple though (iTunes, etc.).
 
This thread belongs in the operating systems section. I'll ask them to move it for you. In the mean time, I will go back to using Vista and not experiencing any problems.
 
MurderCityDevil said:
that's it, i'm giving vista the boot. after only about 2 weeks of using vista ultimate x64 and going through basically hell, i've had it. I just had to reinstall my graphics driver because the old one would constantly crash (BUT, it would successfully restart! HEY THANKS VISTA!). Rebooted, same thing. Rebooted with f8 driver signing disabled, STILL THE SAME THING. this is absolutely outrageous. I didn't want to have to jump on the vista hate bandwagon, but honestly, this OS is a piece of shit as far as i'm concerned. Even if it ran stable, the fact that it offers me nothing that I need that xp can't, just makes me this much happier to get it off my goddamn computer. good bye and good riddance.

/end rant
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I've been using Vista since it was released officially and I've even used the beta versions of it. I've never had any major issues with it. 99% of the time people have Vista issues its' due to some oddball piece of software or hardware that doesn't have decent Vista drivers out for it.
 
I've been using Vista x64 for about the past 12 months as my primary OS and I never had the problems you're describing.

You may have stability problems not related to the OS.
 
Dan_D said:
I've been using Vista since it was released officially and I've even used the beta versions of it. I've never had any major issues with it. 99% of the time people have Vista issues its' due to some oddball piece of software or hardware that doesn't have decent Vista drivers out for it.
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Don't even bother trying to talk sense into these people. If anything goes wrong in Vista it is automatically Vista's fault. Thats just how they think about things.
 
Have you considered that maybe one of your video cards is faulty? Assuming both of your cards are identical, stop running them in SLI and try them out individually.

If glass on the road causes you to have a flat tire, it isn't the car manufacturer's fault. Another possible suggestion is that when the cards are running full power, it could be causing an issue with your PSU. You have a great brand PSU, but that doesn't mean 100% of them are perfect.
 
MurderCityDevil said:
that's it, i'm giving vista the boot. after only about 2 weeks of using vista ultimate x64 and going through basically hell, i've had it. I just had to reinstall my graphics driver because the old one would constantly crash (BUT, it would successfully restart! HEY THANKS VISTA!). Rebooted, same thing. Rebooted with f8 driver signing disabled, STILL THE SAME THING. this is absolutely outrageous. I didn't want to have to jump on the vista hate bandwagon, but honestly, this OS is a piece of shit as far as i'm concerned. Even if it ran stable, the fact that it offers me nothing that I need that xp can't, just makes me this much happier to get it off my goddamn computer. good bye and good riddance.

/end rant
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you got killed by 1 problem. -1 IT point 4u.

one of the things about vista is that it is more stable then XP. Hands down. Not once have I had good old Ctrl+Alt+Del not bring up that vista splash page (aside from my OC enduced BSODs, of course).
 
I have 3 vista ultimate machines (32bit) hooked up to a server2003 domain controller..one is general, one is gaming and the other HTPC and I think it's freaking brilliant. The only instability I had was due to overclocking my stuff too much...but now...the system is about as rock solid as can be.
 
Haha, it would be brilliant if it could.
But seriously what graphics driver and where did you get it?
 
Q6600 with GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB, and even Asus X38 motherboard here, so pretty similar system, and no problems with either the 169.25 WHQL or or 174.74 beta nVidia drivers under Vista Ultimate x64.

I'd agree that the problems here aren't the fault of the OS (in fact, as you mentioned, the system can even recover from this driver crash).
 
SNYP40A1 said:
Oh, that's cute, blame the user. Just like all the other Microsoft fanboys do. Honestly, use whatever you want, I could not care less.
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It's not necessarily his fault the video card drivers aren't taking--it's his fault he's not troubleshooting it properly. The way he described the problem would lead to any number of things which aren't the fault of the OS. In fact, it's pretty poor judgment to immediately blame Vista like that. Either he's simply not giving the whole story (very possible) or he is too impatient to deal with a problem.

The latter is something that annoys me to know end. Someone has one issue with Vista that they didn't have with XP and they immediately reach the conclusion that Vista is a piece of shit OS.

EDIT:

Forgot to mention that I'm another nVidia user with no Vista 64 problems.
 
There was some unofficial poll done a few weeks back that took a look at the error reports that had been sent into Microsoft by Vista (at least for those that didn't disable the error reporting service) and it showed a colossally overwhelming majority of the issues people have encountered with Vista were due to <hold onto your hats, kids>...

Nvidia drivers.

I think it was like 40-45% of all the error reports collected since Vista was released at the end of January to the general retail market/OEM channels all showed evidence that Nvidia's drivers (both 32 bit and 64 bit, mind you) were the direct or sometimes indirect cause of instability and general issues with Vista.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, bub. Seems kinda sad, but... what can you do.

Oh, you could buy ATI I guess...
 
I just built this system (see my sig) and it's been running for 2 weeks now with for the most part 0 issues, the only issue I have had is with nvidia's NAM software, and this is an nvidia problem and not with vista.

stable, fast, and a lot of fun. starting to run some VM's and it's been good so far.
 
J4M3S0N79 said:
I have 3 vista ultimate machines (32bit) hooked up to a server2003 domain controller..one is general, one is gaming and the other HTPC and I think it's freaking brilliant. The only instability I had was due to overclocking my stuff too much...but now...the system is about as rock solid as can be.
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Unplug the ethernet cable from one of those Vista computers which are on the domain and let me know how long it takes to login to the machine.
 
Joe Average said:
There was some unofficial poll done a few weeks back that took a look at the error reports that had been sent into Microsoft by Vista (at least for those that didn't disable the error reporting service) and it showed a colossally overwhelming majority of the issues people have encountered with Vista were due to <hold onto your hats, kids>...

Nvidia drivers.

I think it was like 40-45% of all the error reports collected since Vista was released at the end of January to the general retail market/OEM channels all showed evidence that Nvidia's drivers (both 32 bit and 64 bit, mind you) were the direct or sometimes indirect cause of instability and general issues with Vista.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, bub. Seems kinda sad, but... what can you do.

Oh, you could buy ATI I guess...
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I thought this was funny at one point but then I started to think about it, nvidia's install base is very large, and is the biggest install base in the high end video card market. it only makes since that nvidia drivers might have a large problem from the start as the install base is so large, I am not saying it's right, but that might be one way to look at it. any ways it's kind of moo as of now, as all drivers for Vista have gotten much better. and I would not blame any of this guys problems on nvidia, or any one else for that matter...
 
<~~~ Haven't had any driver issues since Vista RC1 (which were Nvidia, coincidently...)
 
Been using vista for a few months now, once I upgraded to 4GB of ram it stopped being a slothly behemoth. That said.... I wouldn't tell anyone to buy it over XP (especially if they already had XP).

Nothing I do in Vista is ANY faster than in XP. Nothing I do in Vista works better. The only thing i can do in Vista and not in XP is successfully run stalker (I suspect an older driver somewhere or something equally minor that I overlooked).
 
Canadian in Berlin said:
Been using vista for a few months now, once I upgraded to 4GB of ram it stopped being a slothly behemoth. That said.... I wouldn't tell anyone to buy it over XP (especially if they already had XP).

Nothing I do in Vista is ANY faster than in XP. Nothing I do in Vista works better. The only thing i can do in Vista and not in XP is successfully run stalker (I suspect an older driver somewhere or something equally minor that I overlooked).
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Same here. I can't think of any reason to recommend Vista other than in the case of someone having too much money available to them. I've been using Vista since way back in the initial beta trials. It's come a REALLY long way since then but I honestly don't see anything special about it over XP.

It just seems to me that I have to deal with alot of "do this and it works just like XP" situations and I can't help finding myself thinking "Man I wish I had XP so I could get back to work." Of course, XP is horrible too, so it's really a moot point saying one is better than the other. It's like saying your rather die from a stroke than a heart attack. Different, but the outcome is the same....it sucks.

I wonder how long the "Vista sucks omg" threads will go on for. Probably a couple years like when XP was released. Eh. MS disappoints.
 
That said, whats the better alternative? I've got Ubuntu installed on a different computer and its a major migraine headache to get started on. and its the "easy" linux distro, it feels like I'm climbing a spike covered cliff while being dive-bombed by various strange beasts. And thats just trying to get everything working.
 
Joe Average said:
There was some unofficial poll done a few weeks back that took a look at the error reports that had been sent into Microsoft by Vista (at least for those that didn't disable the error reporting service) and it showed a colossally overwhelming majority of the issues people have encountered with Vista were due to <hold onto your hats, kids>...

Nvidia drivers.

I think it was like 40-45% of all the error reports collected since Vista was released at the end of January to the general retail market/OEM channels all showed evidence that Nvidia's drivers (both 32 bit and 64 bit, mind you) were the direct or sometimes indirect cause of instability and general issues with Vista.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, bub. Seems kinda sad, but... what can you do.

Oh, you could buy ATI I guess...
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That there were major issues with with Nvidia drivers the first couple of months after Vista was released, I doubt theres any dispute on that. However, as far as stability is concerned, they have pretty much been fixed.

Theres also little dispute that that was then, this is now.

I think if you look through the majority of the problems with Vista's stability, the majority of them are related to faulty hardware of some kind. Do driver installs go bad sometimes? On occasion, yes (with any OS I should add).

If the OP wanted help, he could have asked for it. He didn't as far as I can tell. If the OP is just sick and tired of Vista and wants to go back to XP, more power to him, and the best of luck.

But to just throw out what amounts to a potshot is irresponsible. People come here looking for solutions to their problems,not to listen to a bunch of drivel and half-baked accusations.

BTW, if he has these same problems with XP, is he going to go back to 98SE or something? Shit happens, especially with computers.
 
Canadian in Berlin said:
That said, whats the better alternative? I've got Ubuntu installed on a different computer and its a major migraine headache to get started on. and its the "easy" linux distro, it feels like I'm climbing a spike covered cliff while being dive-bombed by various strange beasts. And thats just trying to get everything working.
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How much time can you spend daily keeping an OS totally upto date? If a half
hour or so, the Freebsd OS may be to your liking....
................................
in approx 2004 I was looking at Win98FE >> XP and stumbled upon Freebsd.
I started to run it DualBoot: (bootit NG, which I still use; also includes image backup; shareware), at first I
ran Freebsd 5.x (fry's box); 5.2x (rebuild from sources, during which I was saved
from a reinstall by an image backup using Booit); bought 6.x ( freebsdmall I think, 4 cd set
to upgrade 5.x > 6.x due to compilation errors; ), put it on multiple computers with
the same CD set (it is free after all);
I run a liteweight desktop and Opera/firefox/seamonkey/dillo/ etc
I prefer command-line email still
Many persons go *to* it from linux because of what *could * be considered
better documentation, standardization, community...
........................................
caveats:
.... upgrades/ maintenance/ situations
(usually referring to /ports/ rather than the OS) can be unique to each installation (server vs
gateway/firewall vs desktop vs combination etc) and so the learning curve is more
of a do-it-yourself (tons of guides on the web, onlamp.com for example,
freebsdwiki.net etc
..........................................
one must upgrade at least every other year or so _7, _8 _9
...........................................
in 04 I spent about 2 weeks configuring dialup and about 2 weeks configuring
the firewall... everything else was steadily-learning. It is a constant-learning
type of distro...
............................................
btw all the data from the original 04 install is still onhand here. in other words
i've not had to reinstall anytime (despite the 5.x 6.x reinstall, binary installs
can be run to just "add files" rather than "create new"
............................................
in 2004 when I started there were 9000 or so "ports " (add on programs
like those found at gnomefiles.org) now there are 17000 or so.
...many persons prefer the FreeBSD port system because one can
easily find/install stuff., like if one wants to play, say, an mp3 file
one would look in /usr/ports/audio/ and in /usr/ports/multimedia
(as of today, more than 770 and more than 260 programs installable
respectively). Perusable at beta.freshports.org (unless www.freshports.org
is up again, it is/was being moved cross-country)
................................................
despite my sig I'm running 7.0 - stable (3-24-08 version as the
source code changes daily)...
stable:: one that one might prefer for desktop/server ( _7
release:: a more static- and tested- version of the above (_7_0)
current:: the one that is the development branch, sometimes "breaking" ( _8 now)
........................................................
 
MurderCityDevil said:
I just had to reinstall my graphics driver because the old one would constantly crash (BUT, it would successfully restart! HEY THANKS VISTA!).
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My graphics driver did the same thing under Vista as well. It was my #2 reason of going back to XP on my desktop machine. Freakin' annoying as hell when it resets. I don't know who's fault it is, but it sucked.
 
Met-AL said:
My graphics driver did the same thing under Vista as well. It was my #2 reason of going back to XP on my desktop machine. Freakin' annoying as hell when it resets. I don't know who's fault it is, but it sucked.
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When was this? With what hardware?
 
Running 3 vista machines with nVidia HW. One 64 bit with an 8800GTX, one 32bit with an 8800GTS and one laptop running 32bit with 8800 mobile SLI and not one graphics driver problem...
 
I'm saying goodbye to vista now too... The drive that it was installed on just died and I'm not going to bother doing a reinstall in the near future. When a game comes out and I really crave DX10... I might re-install. If the Stalker expansion has the same problems on XP as the previous, then I might re-install.

Otherwise, XP.

@jb_hafo : Thanks for the suggestion, I'll take a look at that in the next while. I'm desperate to learn, but I don't have that much free time.
 
The only problems I ever had with my x64 version of Home Premium was having my memory overclocked too much. I got the dreaded nv.... has stopped responding error.
I researched it and found a thread in the Nvidia forums I think it was, that said with 4 GB of ram to try running the ram 1.1 with the front bus. IE: DDR2 800 = 400 fsb. I tried it and have not had 1 single problem with my rig since. Hell I'm even running Omega's
tweaked 169.25's with ZERO issues.

Some people just do not take the time to properly troubleshoot their problems before spewing forth the Vista hate lol. I actually like Vista 64 bit one helluva a lot. I find myself using it more and more and XP less and less.
 
I actually like Vista and have had no problems. I'm running 8Gigs of memory with an 8800GTS 512. I am happy with the upgrade.
 
MurderCityDevil said:
that's it, i'm giving vista the boot. after only about 2 weeks of using vista ultimate x64 and going through basically hell, i've had it. I just had to reinstall my graphics driver because the old one would constantly crash (BUT, it would successfully restart! HEY THANKS VISTA!). Rebooted, same thing. Rebooted with f8 driver signing disabled, STILL THE SAME THING. this is absolutely outrageous. I didn't want to have to jump on the vista hate bandwagon, but honestly, this OS is a piece of shit as far as i'm concerned. Even if it ran stable, the fact that it offers me nothing that I need that xp can't, just makes me this much happier to get it off my goddamn computer. good bye and good riddance.

/end rant
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nobody cares, have fun in XP
 
The One And Only said:
When was this? With what hardware?
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I gave up on Vista on my desktop just after SP1 came out. It's a nVidia 8800GTS card. Latest WHQL drivers from nVidia.

I still use it and enjoy it on my laptop though. Many nice features of Vista improve the laptop experience.
 
Canadian in Berlin said:
That said, whats the better alternative? I've got Ubuntu installed on a different computer and its a major migraine headache to get started on. and its the "easy" linux distro, it feels like I'm climbing a spike covered cliff while being dive-bombed by various strange beasts. And thats just trying to get everything working.
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QFT I agree 100%.

Tried Ubuntu a few months ago myself and found it to be a PITA as well, I'm thinking "What the heck is the hype about? This isn't easy at all!".
Something as mundane as changing my resolution or other (I would consider) "standard" configurations (And in many cases you STILL resort to a command line, which I consider unacceptable for any modern OS)

Preferences to everyone though.
 
There's nothing in Vista of importance that can't be run on XP, but XP works with everything, consumes less resources and runs faster. So even if Vista was as stable as XP, what's the point of it?

-Robert
 
Valnar said:
There's nothing in Vista of importance that can't be run on XP
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It's funny how many people feel this way, and don't bother to actually try out the OS to see for themselves.

I read a few comments that most people who bash Vista have never used it or given it a real trial. The more threads I read, the more I'm starting to believe that.

Instead of giving an actual fact or a point to stay with XP, it's just a regurgitated Vista bash. That actually sounds like fine...let me try.

Strawberry ice cream sucks, gives you nothing over vanilla or chocolate, and it is made by the devil!!!!! People who eat strawberry ice cream are fools!

I was wrong...that wasn't fun.
 
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