DoubleSight DS-263N - 26"

Just to confirm, Amazon doesn't allow returns on opened products? I'd love to try this monitor out but no local brick and mortar carries it.
 
jmr said:
Just to confirm, Amazon doesn't allow returns on opened products? I'd love to try this monitor out but no local brick and mortar carries it.
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I'm pretty sure they do allow such returns. The only question is whether it is subject to a restocking fee. On my reading, the policy is ambiguous, but I think there is a strong case to be made that no restocking fee should apply.
 
there is a 15% restocking fee if the monitor is not defective. and as for what constitutes defective, basically if anything is wrong (1 stuck pixel.... or BLB) it is 'defective'. then you get to send it back for free :cool:
 
celiman80 said:
what part of the monitor were you touching that made it go away Nomu??
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After a close examination it doesn't seem to be bleeding, it's just the green sheen of the polarizer. The top right corner of the screen doesn't have any sheen, so it makes the edge just to the left of it seem brighter. But viewed from below or the right (a difficult angle to get at in my setup) it turns red and doesn't look like blb at all.
 
The panel doesn't appear to be all that well mounted. I found I can push in on the panel in the corners, specifically the top right, and cause the BLB to get worse. Trying to twist the monitor at the top corners will cause the BLB in the top right to lessen, but also worsen in the top left. If money was no object I would take it apart and check out the panel mounts.

Still, for me at least, it's still rather insignificant.
 
So the polarizer adds green instead of white...... The white glow was very noticeable. I have the DS in front of me and the green is only really noticeable so far in really dark areas. So far this monitor is SWEET. Will post real opinions this weekend.

edit:There is backlight bleeding, have to decide if I would want to send it back to DS for this. No dead pixels found so far.
 
I got my Doublesight and it definitely seems to have a polarizer. There seems to be no white glow as shown in the pictures earlier. I use this monitor in a well lit room therefore I didn't notice any BLB.
 
Got my replacement from Amazon today, shipped from Kentucky. Unfortunately, no polarizer; in fact, the white glow may be worse on this one. One dead pixel too.
 
How did you guys connect the USB hub? It seems awfully difficult to get the wire through the plastic cover.
 
madgun said:
verylostindeed can you post a picture taken from an angle?
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Well, I can try. I've never had much luck taking decent pictures of a monitor, let alone actually posting them, but here goes (I've been trying for a while to imbed the thumbnails to no avail, so just click through):

Desktop, directly in front:

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001969394911499272

Desktop, from above, slight glow:

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001951665778128522

Desktop, view from upper right, evident glow:

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000512610995407531

Directly in front, black background, no glow:
http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000549290835166675

Black background, view from upper right, horrendous glow:

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000573241699887517

I hope some of that helps and is instructive. Not sure what I'm going to do at the moment; perhaps I'll check with DS. That glow doesn't seem normal, particularly on the black from an angle, but who knows.

Btw, what gamma settings -- if any -- does everyone use via nvidia/ati control panel?

EDIT: one more, black background from above, serious glow:

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004157186005921267
 
That's fairly strange, my monitor shipped from Kentucky as well and I don't have that exaggerated white glow on black backgrounds. I used Toasty's profile and color seem to look much better, I also get the reddish Hue that Toasty was talking about.

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Is this sparkle the subtle kind of sparkle that appears fixed in-place on the monitor (when you scroll, there's a thin layer that looks like eye floaters). Because I see this on my VP191b, and it stopped bothering me after a week. Just curious if it's the same.
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That sounds like a good description of what I was seeing. My VP912b has it a little bit, but on the DoubleSight it bothered me more. I never seemed to get completely used to it.
 
madgun said:
How did you guys connect the USB hub? It seems awfully difficult to get the wire through the plastic cover.
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The plastic cover comes off. There are two latches on the bottom left and bottom right. I think the best way to do it is to stick a finger under each side and start sliding them towards the bottom. Takes a bit, but it pops out.
 
is there a way to have icc color profile load in vista??? I have xcalib but i have to load it every time i restart my computer. Any other options?


If there isnt, maybe I should just go back to XP
 
redlinez33 said:
is there a way to have icc color profile load in vista??? I have xcalib but i have to load it every time i restart my computer. Any other options?


If there isnt, maybe I should just go back to XP
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Can you add it as a startup item?

If not, you can download a program called Monitor Calibration Wizard, then load the ICC profile with xcalib, then save the current profile in MCW, and then check "load at startup" and "persistent profile" in MCW. Then you don't need xcalib anymore.
 
figured it out. If i put it in the startup folder it would load but instantly windows would load its default back. So I created a bat file and used this command.

C:\xcalib -s 0 -c
C:\xcalib -s 0 c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\color\DS-263N.icc


and used it 4 times more :-p. So it loads it 5 times. Dirty, but works :)


Btw, besides the backlight bleed, the polarizer makes such a huge difference it makes the planar seem like a rip off.
 
redlinez33 said:
figured it out. If i put it in the startup folder it would load but instantly windows would load its default back. So I created a bat file and used this command.

C:\xcalib -s 0 -c
C:\xcalib -s 0 c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\color\DS-263N.icc


and used it 4 times more :-p. So it loads it 5 times. Dirty, but works :)


Btw, besides the backlight bleed, the polarizer makes such a huge difference it makes the planar seem like a rip off.
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The only problem with this solution is that the profile might get set back to the default when you load a game or something. This won't happen though with MCW (that's what the persistent profile option is for).
 
MCW didnt seem to work right in vista 64. It kept loading the default profile no matter what i did.. So far a game hasnt reset the profile.
 
I found a little executable called DisplayProfile that I load on startup on my Vista machine. I simply select Toasty's ICC profile when it first starts and never have a problem with it defaulting to something else unless I log off or shut down. Works great!
 
I don't really get what you guys are talking about... I thought toasty's profile was just done using the OSD? What else are you referring to? (ie whats the point of doing it in Windows if the monitors OSD does it?)
 
Ordered one of these and got it today. Even uncalibrated, it's lovely. My experiences are with a crappy Acer and a Samnsung 216BW.

Mine shipped from a newegg warehouse in NJ. I think a got a polarizer version, but I can't be sure. I certainly don't notice any white glow. But I do notice something else. When I move my head to the right, on deep black backgrounds and in a dark room, I can notice a red tint take up some of the screen. It take up more of the screen the more I move my head to the right. Now, this is hard to notice normally and I thought it was the polarizer. But if I move my head to the left, I have to move it a lot before I even see the reddish tint. Is this normal?

Other than that, I have one dead red sub-pixel(I think, it keeps blinking, never seen this), and I have the characteristic bleeding in the upper right. Can't see it normally, only if I look for it on black backgrounds.

Besides those minor points, I love this monitor.
 
I'm really to begin to wonder if that bleeding in the upper right has something to do with polarizer. My first screen had bleeding along the bottom and most definitely did not have the polarizer. Alot of people with the polarizer now claim they have the bleed in the upper right. Not sure why though....
 
M Diddy, I think you are right. My experience is that even on monitors that appear to have no BLB straight on, at extreme angles you can see it (like along the edge). I think the polarizer is just masking it and changing the angles that it can be seen... because when I stand up ever so slightly higher than when I am sitting in my chair, the BLB appears to get less in the top right and the red polarization gets worse in the bottom left. Also, if I lean down and to the right, the BLB gets horrible in the top right, and a new tiny but very vivid strip appears at the bottom of the screen close to the right middle.. All the BLB appears a slight greenish tint.

In monitors that I've had that have BAD BLB, ie the FHD2400, it can be seen at all angles...

Also can anyone explain the whole OSD vs in windows color calibration? Why is everyone talking about using Toasty's color profile in Windows? I thought the only one he gave was the OSD version? Sorry for mentioning this again as I did above, but I know how fast this thread moves and it may get lost lol.
 
He posted an ICC profile he created using a, I believe, a Spyder2, earlier in this thread. He made that profile using the settings he stated. You need to load the ICC profile into Windows to see the color adjustment. ;)
 
Is there any benefit in doing that over just doing it using the monitors own built in color adjustments?
 
The built-in color adjustments are not adequate enough to fix the colors. There's no gamma control, and the color settings don't affect all shades equally, making it impossible to adjust the colors without distorting other colors. This monitor benefits greatly from calibration. Load the profile and see for yourself. It was created using an Eye-One Display 2 colorimeter with ColorEyes Display Pro.
 
I just noticed that the monitor has a unique surface on the screen, it feels kind of like thin plexiglass while most other matte LCDs have a softer surface on them. Some kind of tougher protective screen?
 
I had a quick question for those who have some experience with purchasing LCDs. I got my DS-263N the other day and it did have the polarizer. The only issue is that it also has a pixel with a dead green subpixel. I was contemplating returning it to see if I could get one that didn't have any pixel defects. What I wanted to know was what people's experiences were with getting a perfect LCD pixel-wise. What kind of chances do you think I have of getting a perfect one?
 
thegreatphilhansen said:
I had a quick question for those who have some experience with purchasing LCDs. I got my DS-263N the other day and it did have the polarizer. The only issue is that it also has a pixel with a dead green subpixel. I was contemplating returning it to see if I could get one that didn't have any pixel defects. What I wanted to know was what people's experiences were with getting a perfect LCD pixel-wise. What kind of chances do you think I have of getting a perfect one?
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I would not risk returning a panel that has a polarizer and only one dead pixel in the hopes of getting the *perfect* model in return. Then again, I'm adverse to the whole return process anyway due to hassle, etc; YMMV.
 
Anyone get this monitor with polarizer when ordering from Amazon?

How is text with this monitor? Tried the Dell 2408 and the text was not very sharp.
 
I bought mine from Amazon last week and did get the polarizer. Other than the pixel issue I mentioned above, this display looks great on everything I've tried.
 
boyleheights said:
Anyone get this monitor with polarizer when ordering from Amazon?

How is text with this monitor? Tried the Dell 2408 and the text was not very sharp.
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The 2408 is a *VA panel, no?

With that said, the text on the DS -- and, as I understand it, all IPS screens -- is not as sharp as some other LCDs. It almost looks more like a CRT to me.
 
boyleheights said:
Anyone get this monitor with polarizer when ordering from Amazon?

How is text with this monitor? Tried the Dell 2408 and the text was not very sharp.
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I did.

But I wouldn't know sharp text from... well, blurry text. When I first set it up I was wondering why all the text looked so jagged and horrible, and then I remembered that I wasn't using cleartype for those 6 horrible years with my shitty CRT (P95f+).
 
My DS-263N should arrive from Amazon tomorrow. Here's hoping I'll get the polarizer and a defect-free panel. :)
 
Amazon seems to be shipping really good DoubleSights, my experience has been really good.
 
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