Got my HP LP3065 up and running...

I use Eizo CG211's for digital photography, and have been considering the HP LP3065 for the past couple of months.

Happy Hopping, can you verify if the HP LP3065 is DDC-compliant allowing for [USB] hardware calibration when used with display profiling software from www.integrated-color.com (demo works nine? times within six? days).

Thanks,
Billy
 
The humming is a K.O. criteria for me. Too bad I really wanted this display
 
ALien8ed said:
Hi fellas,

A friend of mine purchsed this puppy and he tells me it will only allow him to select a max res. of 1280x800. He's running 2 xfx 7800gtx's which support dual-link DVI as per the product page and he's installed the latest drivers, tried both the dvi cables supplied with the monitor but he says he's unable to select anything above that resolution... hmmm.

Cheers.
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Most or maybe all 7800gtx cards only have one DVI port supporting dual-link DVI. I.e. they have one dual link DVI port and one single link DVI port. Have him try the other port. Of course it might be that xfx cheaped out and didn't wire the extra pins to either connector.
 
FlyingGimp said:
Most or maybe all 7800gtx cards only have one DVI port supporting dual-link DVI. I.e. they have one dual link DVI port and one single link DVI port. Have him try the other port. Of course it might be that xfx cheaped out and didn't wire the extra pins to either connector.
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Thanks for the reply gimp ;)

Looks like he solved it, when initially trying to plug it into the other dvi port he tells me he was recieveing no signal but upon trying it with another set of drivers he's was able to get the max. res of 2560x1600. Strange but as long as it works.

So it looks like you're right with it having one single and one dual-link DVI port.

My puppy should be arriving any day now... im both nervous and excited at the same time... :p

Cheers
 
A lot of LCD monitors buzz. Most people don't hear it unless they put their ear up to the top of the monitor, but some people are sensitive to this and can hear it in a quiet room. Also, the brightness can affect how loud the buzzing is. I wish manufacturers would pay attention to details like this, but they don't because most people don't notice it. Some monitors are quiet, but there's no way to know which ones without trying them yourself.
 
Here's something I posted in the general 30 inch thread that may be of interest. Not necesarily incredibly cost effective but at least there is an option for component input, assuming the below works.

Just happened on something that should do HD input to the LP3065, the Gefen VGA->DVI scaler. It specifically mentions an output resolution of "1280x800 (30" DVI Single Link)".

You then need do get component to VGA. The Gefen scaler says it supports YPrPb input, so one of the el-cheapo component to VGA cables like
this will probably work. If not a slightly more expensive component to VGA transcoder like this would be needed.

The complete path is component->VGA->DVI which will scale 480p, 720p or 1080i to 1280x800. The Gefen page has the most horrible asterisk placement ever, but it you read below the asterisks you see that it does support 1080i->1280x800, it just won't convert 1080i and output greater than 1280x1024.

All for a total of $200 according to froogle plus the cost fo the vga to compent cable or transcoder. Quality of this conversion is a question mark, but Gefen in general doesn't seem to turn out crap.

I don't really need HD input into an LCD monitor. So the question is, who will try this out?
 
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FlyingGimp said:
Here's something I posted in the general 30 inch thread that may be of interest. Not necesarily incredibly cost effective but at least there is an option for component input, assuming the below works.

Just happened on something that should do HD input to the LP3065, the Gefen VGA->DVI scaler. It specifically mentions an output resolution of "1280x800 (30" DVI Single Link)".

You then need do get component to VGA. The Gefen scaler says it supports YPrPb input, so one of the el-cheapo component to VGA cables like
this will probably work. If not a slightly more expensive component to VGA transcoder like this would be needed.

The complete path is component->VGA->DVI which will scale 480p, 720p or 1080i to 1280x800. The Gefen page has the most horrible asterisk placement ever, but it you read below the asterisks you see that it does support 1080i->1280x800, it just won't convert 1080i and output greater than 1280x1024.

All for a total of $200 according to froogle plus the cost fo the vga to compent cable or transcoder. Quality of this conversion is a question mark, but Gefen in general doesn't seem to turn out crap.

I don't really need HD input into an LCD monitor. So the question is, who will try this out?
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Well???? Somebody order it already!! :mad:
 
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Got my LP3065 today.

After using it for acouple of hours i see no stuck or dead pixels and hear no humming whatsoever. Guess im one of the lucky ones... ;)

Time for some gaming... :D
 
ALien8ed said:
Got my LP3065 today.

After using it for acouple of hours i see no stuck or dead pixels and hear no humming whatsoever. Guess im one of the lucky ones... ;)

Time for some gaming... :D
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pics dude!! show us some nice beautiful pics of that monster :D
 
anyone try to connect a 1080i/p input to this thing? I'm wondering how good it'll be.. at 2560x1600, a 1080p video would only fill about half the screen. Can it upscale? I doubt it. but someone prove me wrong.. plz. :D
 
FlyingGimp said:
Here's something I posted in the general 30 inch thread that may be of interest. Not necesarily incredibly cost effective but at least there is an option for component input, assuming the below works.

Just happened on something that should do HD input to the LP3065, the Gefen VGA->DVI scaler. It specifically mentions an output resolution of "1280x800 (30" DVI Single Link)".

You then need do get component to VGA. The Gefen scaler says it supports YPrPb input, so one of the el-cheapo component to VGA cables like
this will probably work. If not a slightly more expensive component to VGA transcoder like this would be needed.

The complete path is component->VGA->DVI which will scale 480p, 720p or 1080i to 1280x800. The Gefen page has the most horrible asterisk placement ever, but it you read below the asterisks you see that it does support 1080i->1280x800, it just won't convert 1080i and output greater than 1280x1024.

All for a total of $200 according to froogle plus the cost fo the vga to compent cable or transcoder. Quality of this conversion is a question mark, but Gefen in general doesn't seem to turn out crap.

I don't really need HD input into an LCD monitor. So the question is, who will try this out?
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The scaler is probably more like at least $225, as the first several results are out of stock. That's 1/3 the cost of a 32" TV, or half the cost of a 27" TV. Not very good value.
 
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zzz said:
The scaler is probably more like at least $225, as the first several results are out of stock. That's 1/3 the cost of a 32" TV, or half the cost of a 27" TV. Not very good value.
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That's where the mention of "not necessarily incredibly cost effective" comes in. I'd guess people shelling out for a 30" LCD and an 8800gtx might not be particularly cost conscious, hence the fyi. Of course most people are probably better off having a monitor and a separate TV. Why waste money on a scaler when you can get a $4-500 IN72 or a sub-$1K 720p DLP FP.

For people who really need scaling it sounds like waiting for the lp3065 follow-on would be best. The ExtremeTech LP3065 review didn't mention many specifics other than that HP was looking at integrating a scaler in the next iteration
 
FlyingGimp said:
That's where the mention of "not necessarily incredibly cost effective" comes in. I'd guess people shelling out for a 30" LCD and an 8800gtx might not be particularly cost conscious, hence the fyi. Of course most people are probably better off having a monitor and a separate TV. Why waste money on a scaler when you can get a $4-500 IN72 or a sub-$1K 720p DLP FP.

For people who really need scaling it sounds like waiting for the lp3065 follow-on would be best. The ExtremeTech LP3065 review didn't mention many specifics other than that HP was looking at integrating a scaler in the next iteration
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Yeah...and furthermore, the scalar only gets you to 1/4th of the possible resolution, which is far less than 1080p, so you wouldn't benefit with HD-DVD or BluRay. Yet another barrier is that HDCP can't support dual link DVI anyway.

Since the video card is already a "scaler", maybe someone sells a PCI card that receives component and outputs it to your video card. But then of course you'd have to have your computer running.
 
FlyingGimp said:
That's where the mention of "not necessarily incredibly cost effective" comes in. I'd guess people shelling out for a 30" LCD and an 8800gtx might not be particularly cost conscious, hence the fyi. Of course most people are probably better off having a monitor and a separate TV. Why waste money on a scaler when you can get a $4-500 IN72 or a sub-$1K 720p DLP FP.

For people who really need scaling it sounds like waiting for the lp3065 follow-on would be best. The ExtremeTech LP3065 review didn't mention many specifics other than that HP was looking at integrating a scaler in the next iteration
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Thing is.....if I had actually decided to wait yet another freaking year for this supposed monitor with a built in scaler I definately would have been beaten up by many forum members here. :D
No, too long and too late. I stand by my decision of my lp3065 purchase. My plan now is to buy a super large tv screen. A 52" 1080p Westinghouse screen is what I am looking for. :)
 
I received my LP3065 yesterday. It looks great. No dead or stuck pixels/subpixels and absolutely no buzzing sound. I like sit o much that I've ordered a second one today. My application is 3D scientific vizualisation. My graphics adapter is an Nvidia Quadro FX 4000 (same specs as the FX 4500) with two DVI-DL outputs.

I will calibrate it (with a Monaco Optix XR) later today but when I compare it to my BenQ FP241W 24" monitors I find the following:

1) the BenQs are much brighter (500nits)
2) the white point on the BenQs is set higher (bluer)
3) the black point is a little better (darker) on the BenQs
4) the HP has much more real estate than the BenQs (obviously). The step is much more apparent going from the 24" to the 30" than from a 21" (4:3) to the 24" (16:10).
5) the HP (and the BenQs) uniformity is very good
6) I cannot comment on the lag as I cannot detect it (and I'm not a gamer)
7) the BenQs have OSD menus the HP doesn't (but my Nvidia drivers have them)

and... it's a 30in with approx. 4 megapixels of real estate :D

If you have specific questions I can try to answer them. Iam
 
IAmNemo,
Would you connect your LP3065 to your computer with a USB cable, to see if the display is DDC-compliant allowing the Monaco software to hardware-calibrate the display instead of generating an LUT profile?
Billy
 
BJNY said:
IAmNemo,
Would you connect your LP3065 to your computer with a USB cable, to see if the display is DDC-compliant allowing the Monaco software to hardware-calibrate the display instead of generating an LUT profile?
Billy
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Billy,

The capability to which you are referring is DDC/CI (Command Interface), not just the regular DDC that returns the EDID info. The DDC/CI displays have their own sensors which is not the case here. Also DDC uses pins 6&7 of the DVI(-DL) connectors, not the USB bus. The USB ports on the HP just form a regular hub.

The Monaco Optix XR is a generic calibrator puck/software system that doesn't make us of this info. Do you know of a package that does? Anyway just to be sure I checked the PDFs for the HP and the Monaco searching for DDC and found nothing. I would have been very surprised if I did. Hope this helps. Iam.

P.S. By the way I did the whole calibration sequence with the HP connected via USB to the computer and it didn't make use of it. The HP is "dumb" in the sense that it does not process the signal (other than brightlness level). Everything else has to be done either at the OS level (with calibration files) or using the graphics card drivers themselves.
 
My Eizo CG211 displays utilizes the USB as a "talkback" cable controlling the monitor settings during the calibration/profiling process. You can download software from www.integrated-color.com which is compatible with your Optix puck. Looking forward to your results.
 
BJNY said:
My Eizo CG211 displays utilizes the USB as a "talkback" cable controlling the monitor settings during the calibration/profiling process. You can download software from www.integrated-color.com which is compatible with your Optix puck. Looking forward to your results.
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When I bought the Monaco the other choice (then slightly inferior) was the Crystal Eyes. It seems to have evolved more rapidly than the Monaco. I do not see a link to a (free) evaluation version I could download and try, do you?

What makes you think that the HP LP3065 has DCC/CI-like capabilities? Have you read something about it or it is just a hunch? Iam
 
Is that software only useful if you have a separate hardware calibrator? Since I don't, should I merely use the nvidia Display Optimization Wizard or is there a better software calibrator out there?
 
IAmNemo,
My Eizo CG211 LCDs are controlled via the USB cable during hardware calibration with Eizo's own Color Navigator, or Integrated-Color's ColorEyes software. This talkback cable (either serial or USB) has been the method dating back 10+ years with prepress grade CRT monitors such as Barco, Radius (PressView SR), and Sony (Artisan). Today, this is how the high end LCDs from Eizo, NEC and LaCie are hardware calibrated as well. That is why I posed the question to you and Happy Hopping since "DDC" appears on the LP3065 spec sheet at http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12621_na/12621_na.HTML
 
BJNY said:
IAmNemo,
My Eizo CG211 LCDs are controlled via the USB cable during hardware calibration with Eizo's own Color Navigator, or Integrated-Color's ColorEyes software. This talkback cable (either serial or USB) has been the method dating back 10+ years with prepress grade CRT monitors such as Barco, Radius (PressView SR), and Sony (Artisan). Today, this is how the high end LCDs from Eizo, NEC and LaCie are hardware calibrated as well. That is why I posed the question to you and Happy Hopping since "DDC" appears on the LP3065 spec sheet at http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12621_na/12621_na.HTML
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I am aware of this manufacturer-specific capability (BTW I have owned several Eizo, then Nanao, monitors but without this feature) but the DCC referred in the HP litt is the regular VESA one going through the DVI link (pins 6&7): ...VESA DDC standard for plug-and-play setup requires a DVI-D dual-link . I really wish I could download the settings in the monitor and get rid of all the Windows problems with dual-monitor calibration but...the LP 3065 does not have hardware calibration, nor is it documentted anywhere and the USB ports form just a regular hub.
 
Thank you IamNemo for clarifying.
I guess I'll wait for Eizo's 30" due Q1-2007.
 
No link, just from the horse's mouth though. A friend called up Eizo USA in Oct. or Nov. 2006 just asking about CG210's and CG211's, and the friendly person told him about the 30" (which was a surprise to me). Subsequently, a rep for a digital back manufacturer actually saw a unit, and said Eizo was still sorting out some issues before releasing it. I'm dreading what the price will be if ends up being part of their "CG" series instead of their "CE" series.

NEC will have 24" and 26" sizes soon as part of their "90" series, which can be DDC hardware-calibrated. Both sizes are 1900 x 1200 resolution.
 
IamNemo said:
I am aware of this manufacturer-specific capability (BTW I have owned several Eizo, then Nanao, monitors but without this feature) but the DCC referred in the HP litt is the regular VESA one going through the DVI link (pins 6&7): ...VESA DDC standard for plug-and-play setup requires a DVI-D dual-link . I really wish I could download the settings in the monitor and get rid of all the Windows problems with dual-monitor calibration but...the LP 3065 does not have hardware calibration, nor is it documentted anywhere and the USB ports form just a regular hub.
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OK after quite of bit of snooping around this is what I understand:

- the LP3065 does support DDC/CI (via pins 6&7 of the DVI dual-link)
- there's a utility from HP called HP Display Assistant (DA) to control displays via DDC/CI
- DA does support the LP2065
- the LP3065 is NOT listed as supported as of V1.30A (06.12.04)
- I downloaded and tried DA anyway and it recognizes the LP3065
- I can control brightness through DA
- I cannot control contrast, RGB values, etc.through DA

I emailed HP tech support and Portrait Displays (www.portrait.com) which seems to be the makers of the HP DA (they have DisplayTune which is quite similar) about the compatibility with LP3065. I will let you know. Iam.
 
Here's what I received so far:

- from HP tech support: nothing

- from Portrait Displays, the makers of the HP Display Assistant:

We do indeed make the Display Assistant software for HP. However it will only support the monitors that ship with software.

The LP3065 is not one of the Display Assistant compatible monitors. The monitor has to have the correct firmware for the software. If the LP3065 is only allowing brightness adjustments, that indicates that firmware in the monitor will not allow all the correct commands to be sent to and from the monitor.

This monitor does not support The Display Assistant Software. Firmware questions will need to be directed to HP.


Seems definitive... yet... I just find strange that HP DA supports the LP2065 and not the newer LP3065. Iam
 
From what I've read on the web Windows XP supports the use of different calibrations on different monitors ONLY through the use of their Color Profile applet. Normally Windows simply copies the profiles on both monitors as can be seen using the regular Windows Display panel.

The monitors need to be attached to different video cards OR dual-head PCI-Express cards which are seen by Windows as two separate cards.

On the other hand Windows sees dual-head AGP cards as a SINGLE card so only a single LUT is used even when the drivers and hardware support two separate onboard LUTs.

A good starting point for this seems to be this page.

Info on Display Assistant can be found here including compatibility with graphics cards.
 
Here's the anwer I received from HP Tech Support (actually Portrait.com):

Thank you for the inquiry. If the Display Assistant software did not ship with the monitor it is not supported.
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And it did not so case closed. Iam
 
Today I received my second LP3065 so I can now compare them side by side. Both have been manufactured during week 43 of 2006 and have EDID V1.3.

Visually the color calibration is nearly identical.
This will simplify Windows calibration that applies the SAME calibration LUT to ALL monitors connected to the same dual-head AGP video card which is seen as a single card even though it has two GPUs (ex. my Nvidia FX 4000). The problem doesn't exist with dual-head PCI-Express cards which are seen by Windows as separate cards. And of course if each monitor is connected to a different card there is no problem either.

Both are set to Gamma = 2.2
Which is not surprising.

Both have exactly the same RGB chromaticities and white point
The values are:
Rx =.658 Ry = .324
Gx = .204 Gy = .665
Bx = .146 By = .070
and the default White Point is at Wx = .313 and Wy = .329

Can anybody post their values obtained through HP Display Assistant utility (AssetID function). Iam
 
For the folks in U.S. who have them -- what retailer did you purchase from? I'm considering getting these from HP Small Business or B&H... any other online retailers to consider? TIA
 
Question:

I cannot afford a new board, i still live with an AGP one.

Is there a card out there that will support a 30 inch screen?

Say for instance the Geforce 7800 GS ?
 
agvanov said:
Question:

I cannot afford a new board, i still live with an AGP one.

Is there a card out there that will support a 30 inch screen?

Say for instance the Geforce 7800 GS ?
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Thats a good question. Thing is even though the nvidia cards starting with the 7800 line started to support dual link connections (which the 30 inchers require to run 2560x1600) I'm not sure you would be happy with the performance of a 7800gs. Thing is if you go and get a more recently released card then your going to run into the problem of the card being pci express only.
Not sure what to tell ya. :(
 
Well i can accept not to run games above 2000 rez, 1280 is more than enough, i am not that desperate.

What concerns me though is the performace on 3d software like, Softimage, Max... etc

Since that will take 80% of my screen staring time.

Suggestions anyone?
 
agvanov said:
Well i can accept not to run games above 2000 rez, 1280 is more than enough, i am not that desperate.

What concerns me though is the performace on 3d software like, Softimage, Max... etc

Since that will take 80% of my screen staring time.

Suggestions anyone?
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You might know best--how well does your 3D software run on your current card? Use that performance to gauge how a 7xxx card would perform. I think you can even get a 7300GS with dual-link, but I don't know about AGP versions. Easy to research.
 
well i'll be finding out how well my 8800gtx can push softimage and mudbox on the Lp3065 this week when it arrives.

Quite curious myself. It shouldnt be a problem though.
 
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