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theyangster
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QuakerOatz said:
that wouldn't be from team america now would it be....
i remember it as "I love your balls!" (also to the OP for his courage)
they probably don't make shims for un capped X2
TheRapture
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swetmore said:
I was wondering about that...I too have the BT and was wondering if it was safe to mount direct to the core....
I am thinking I am going to do this.....pop the top off, that is....
Nope... i was never into computers back then, the only processors i've seen in person have an ihs on them. But from what i think i understand is that a 90nm dual core and 130nm are fairly strong unlike the single core 90nmDFI Daishi said:
Thanks though
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Can I have your stuff?Geno said:AHHAHAHAHAHAHA.... i just did this, and guess what? rofl.... none of my HS/F will make contact to the die
You can probably just place it back on, with some thermal grease covering the core. Just don't move it around when you put it in... temps might actually be better if you clean up the core and put some AS5 on it.
Or find a thin, flat sheet of copper to put on the core.
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Ya that's the one. I've retired Dumb and Dumber and team america is now what I will be quoting for the next 15 years.theyangster said:that wouldn't be from team america now would it be....
i remember it as "I love your balls!" (also to the OP for his courage)
they probably don't make shims for un capped X2
But on topic, you gotta love a guy who drops a fair chunk of change on a part and takes a razor blade to it. There is a certain buzz you get when you put that money on the line, knowing one mistake and you're torching your hard earned $$$$. Thank god for lazy RMA dept's, if they actually took note as some of the stuff [H]ard readers send back...
ATI RMA Dept - "Hey I didn't knew we used silver paste on the VPUs?, ah well send him a new card I guess"
ftbusdatia
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To the guy who cant fit his HS/F on his naked Chip:
Have you thought of removing the bracket that your HS/F clips on and shaving a little off it (say, 2mm or less) and retrying your contact (given it still clips in)
Ive seen some plastic HS/F clips that have a little notch or so on them that could be dremmel'd off with a plastic dremel tool and that would net you a few mm's and make the contact.
Just a thought.
as for making naked chips, back in the day, i took my 1.2Ghz Celeron IHS off and netted a 2 c increase in temperature, but a higher overclock. I was able to go to 1.7ghz, faster than the brand new P4 that had just came out. My benchmarks were higher for everything except quake 3, but i was pretty happy having the fastest pc out of all my friends.
we also soldered the motherboard pins together to get a voltage increase to deal with the "cold boot"problem. i knew the chip would reach 1.7ghz with 1.75 volts, but the motherboard would not apply the higher voltage until after the POST. So i had to modify the cpu socket to get a higher voltage. It was crazy.
56 C on a P3 was unheard of back then.
OH well, it was fun. I managed to fry the chip when i tried to put the IHS back on. So, to all those who remove the IHS, NEVER i repeat NEVER attempt to put them back on, the risk is too great.
You heard it here. Ok, back to finals study time.
Have you thought of removing the bracket that your HS/F clips on and shaving a little off it (say, 2mm or less) and retrying your contact (given it still clips in)
Ive seen some plastic HS/F clips that have a little notch or so on them that could be dremmel'd off with a plastic dremel tool and that would net you a few mm's and make the contact.
Just a thought.
as for making naked chips, back in the day, i took my 1.2Ghz Celeron IHS off and netted a 2 c increase in temperature, but a higher overclock. I was able to go to 1.7ghz, faster than the brand new P4 that had just came out. My benchmarks were higher for everything except quake 3, but i was pretty happy having the fastest pc out of all my friends.
we also soldered the motherboard pins together to get a voltage increase to deal with the "cold boot"problem. i knew the chip would reach 1.7ghz with 1.75 volts, but the motherboard would not apply the higher voltage until after the POST. So i had to modify the cpu socket to get a higher voltage. It was crazy.
56 C on a P3 was unheard of back then.
OH well, it was fun. I managed to fry the chip when i tried to put the IHS back on. So, to all those who remove the IHS, NEVER i repeat NEVER attempt to put them back on, the risk is too great.
You heard it here. Ok, back to finals study time.
well, i'd done what ftbus said (i'd been looking at the plastic holder around the socket)... and i shaved it down ever so slightly... until the paste on the core showed up evenly on the bottom of the heatsink/fan.
the processor is now dead. I was absolutely careful with the whole procedure and it took me about 20mins to "cut" the IHS off. Sigh, the FX-55 didnt last me very long.
the processor is now dead. I was absolutely careful with the whole procedure and it took me about 20mins to "cut" the IHS off. Sigh, the FX-55 didnt last me very long.
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Geno said:
OUCH! sorry to hear that..
man, now it's play the... 'can we get the IHS back on well enough to trick AMDs warranty department' game. I don't know what to do really... i'm kind of SOL. now. Any suggestions?
I just did this same thing to this box, and temps dropped 3ºC idle / 5-6C load.
It's just a rig I built for my dad... a 754 3000+
I just did this same thing to this box, and temps dropped 3ºC idle / 5-6C load.
It's just a rig I built for my dad... a 754 3000+
Mad props bro. Now don't forget to keychain it up and stick it on your badge for all your coworkers to kneel down and...
A former boss (whose name will go unmentioned) plugged in a 3200 incorrectly. He planned on pitchin' it, but I had other plans ;-)
A former boss (whose name will go unmentioned) plugged in a 3200 incorrectly. He planned on pitchin' it, but I had other plans ;-)
So lets go over the results.
A drop in temp but no increse in OC. What about stability? It seems to me that thus far, the pretty useless. I for one was gald they put the cap on in the first place after seeing many people distroy their CPUs. If anyone can crack 3.0 GHz with air cooling, I'd consider it. The key chain idea for the cap is cool though.
A drop in temp but no increse in OC. What about stability? It seems to me that thus far, the pretty useless. I for one was gald they put the cap on in the first place after seeing many people distroy their CPUs. If anyone can crack 3.0 GHz with air cooling, I'd consider it. The key chain idea for the cap is cool though.
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Sorry to hear thatGeno said:
Are you sure you shaved enough off? When clamping it down it wouldhave gone down another 1mm or so if you had just rested it on the cpu initially to see if it touched.
Most mobos nowadays have the overheat protection, are you sure it's fried? Try powering off the system via the power supply for half a minute. I know thats saved my A$$ several times already
I could've sworn i've fried 2 cpus already, but a solid [H]ardcore reboot solved the problem! (a reseat of the cpu helps sometimes for heat)
what motherboard are you running on?
I seem to have hit a wall with my a8n sli premium... 230 FSB, fine all stock votages. 231 = bsod... no matter how much i change the ram timings, voltages or anything.. i think it's a bug like the iwill dpi-533 had.
I seem to have hit a wall with my a8n sli premium... 230 FSB, fine all stock votages. 231 = bsod... no matter how much i change the ram timings, voltages or anything.. i think it's a bug like the iwill dpi-533 had.
Thanks for the input guys.
To address some questions:
Step by Step removal guide someone asked for:
Use a single edge razor, like those found in paint scrapers. They have a very thin edge, and are knurled on one side... so it gives you something to hang onto.
I started off by pushing the razor under the corners, until it was in through the epoxy. I kept shoving it under all four corners until it moved pretty freely. Then I used a kind of sea-saw motion to work it around to the sides. I left the blade in, and pivoted on the corner as I shoved the blade into the side.
Use back-pressure, so if something gives, you dont ram the blade into the core or anything else. Move as it will let you move. ie: don't force it. The key is to "push" the blade, don't cut or saw your way through.
Temps Before IHS Removal:
Idle: 32c
Load: 47c
Temps After IHS Removal:
Idle: 30c
Load: 39c
To address some questions:
Step by Step removal guide someone asked for:
Use a single edge razor, like those found in paint scrapers. They have a very thin edge, and are knurled on one side... so it gives you something to hang onto.
I started off by pushing the razor under the corners, until it was in through the epoxy. I kept shoving it under all four corners until it moved pretty freely. Then I used a kind of sea-saw motion to work it around to the sides. I left the blade in, and pivoted on the corner as I shoved the blade into the side.
Use back-pressure, so if something gives, you dont ram the blade into the core or anything else. Move as it will let you move. ie: don't force it. The key is to "push" the blade, don't cut or saw your way through.
Temps Before IHS Removal:
Idle: 32c
Load: 47c
Temps After IHS Removal:
Idle: 30c
Load: 39c
MTXR said:
im from there. came up here for school in 98. go home regularly. actually go home on wednesday... dont come back till early jan. good times! nice to see a fell MN'er who is having to drive in this blasted downpour... oh look outside its not snowing now, whee maybe the streets will be plowed hahaha
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Jodiuh said:Mad props bro. Now don't forget to keychain it up and stick it on your badge for all your coworkers to kneel down and...
A former boss (whose name will go unmentioned) plugged in a 3200 incorrectly. He planned on pitchin' it, but I had other plans ;-)
Nice BLUE badge you got there!!!
VoloxitySF said:
hahahahahahahahaha...
Remember how everyone complained about how easy it was to chip the wafer when the tbirds came out? I'd imagine the IHS wouldn't be much of a constraint if there were made as well as the HSF's we use. For a little perspective, how much good does lapping the IHS do?
MONSOON said:
I may have balls... but they, along with everything else was sweating when I did this mod.
noc_81 said:
From what I've seen, it does make a difference, but not much. May yeild 1-2c. The problem is the connection between the cpu core and the inside of the IHS, not between the IHS and waterblock/HSF.
matt00926 said:
As a previous poster mentioned, it's there to prevent folks from crushing the core. It's basically a shield for el "fragile" core. WIthout it, the heatsink can make direct contact with the core. This allows for better heat dissapation.
Pulling it off's scary cause it's just you, your delicate core, and a razor. Of course the OP had some might bit large balls on his side.
Bigjohns97
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geno : if you haven't shipped your fx55 off try putting 4 pieces of electric tape around the sides of the core to cover up the little gates on the green part of the chip and starting it back up.
I saw this in a thread over at xs, they user thought it might be shorting out under the hsf.
I saw this in a thread over at xs, they user thought it might be shorting out under the hsf.
Have you tried o/c'ing any higher or running a lower voltage with the lower temps? Not something I'd try if all it did was lower temps a little and not gain any speed or lower voltage...But if it gets you a significant bump I may try it. So far I've only hit 2.5ghz with mine, but haven't played around too much. Full load temps around 50C overclocked, I'm wondering if lowering the temps by 5ish degrees would help me get any higher or if it wouldn't really do anything.
Just on the point of killing your CPU by doing this, I witnessed another guy ho did this on another forum, he managed to cut away the copper tracks on the wafer with the razor blade.
someone else on that forum put up a link with a guide on removing the IHS and the guide said to use fishing line (which is why I mentioned it), is takes a bit longer but is 99% safe.
I'll say it again, fishing line is the way to go, put your CPU in the motherboard socket, then wrap a fishing line around both index fingers, use the fishing line to 'saw' through the glue.
Sorry I don't have a link to the guide, it was written a while ago before the A64, they were removing the IHS from a P4.
someone else on that forum put up a link with a guide on removing the IHS and the guide said to use fishing line (which is why I mentioned it), is takes a bit longer but is 99% safe.
I'll say it again, fishing line is the way to go, put your CPU in the motherboard socket, then wrap a fishing line around both index fingers, use the fishing line to 'saw' through the glue.
Sorry I don't have a link to the guide, it was written a while ago before the A64, they were removing the IHS from a P4.
Ace123 said:I like voltage. On air. Woot.
And I agree with the people bitching about posers making claims when no evidence is supplemented. Live and learn.
CPU temp lower than ambient? What is that, a suicide run with the windows open on a cold winter night?