Steam Integration coming to XBox ???

[ChadD]

I'm referring to games that are on the Series S and Series X and not on the PC Xbox app. I'm not trying to hold Microsoft to some crazy standard where they have to support games that were only on older hardware, just the current consoles.

The exact same types of licensing agreements exist. The only games MS can guarantee one platform to another are ones they own 100%.
Companies that own games based on IP like say The great circle. They are licensed so that when they are sold in a console version they are for use on THAT CONSOLE ONLY. They don't let you take your Indiana Jones game sell it on a console and then let people install it on a PC or any other platform, not for free anyway.

This will be true for UFC games, WWE games, NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB, Disney games, WB games like Batman games, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, Lego, Mortal Kombat, Lord of the Rings. All those types of games will be licensed one platform at a time.

When you get down to it probably 80% of all Video games are based on IP that has been licensed. No one blanket licenses their IP to be used however the buyer sees fit forever. One of the big ones is game developed for X platform(s). If a developer signs a deal to create a game for the PS4,Xbox,PC... their are stipulations that are very clear that every one of those platforms is independent. Buying a copy for one does not mean you are selling a copy for the others. It also doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and sell that game as a PS5 title 4 years later either. If you want to make a new version you have to make a NEW version. Its why we get Remasters. Remasters are a new game sold at a new price, sometimes for new platforms, and all IP used will be renegotiated. (ever play a remaster where the music is completely different... or the voice actor changes?)

That is just the obvious overall IP. Their is also music IP which is as big and perhaps an even bigger issue with old games on new platforms. Take as an example Marvels Guardians of the Galaxy game. That game has a ton of commercial music in it. If the publisher wanted to sell that game on a new console down the road (even a handheld one) the publisher will have to re license the music. The music industry is not going to give them a deal if the game is no longer capable of being sold at AAA pricing. They don't care that they want to sell a $30 remaster, they get paid the same amount for the rights to those songs. LIke I mentioned earlier many old games have been pulled from Steam, some coming back some not... because their music license expired.

To be honest... this new Xbox handheld. MS may actually run into legal issues depending how they market it and how exactly it works. I would not be shocked if the only "xbox" games that run on it are ones published by Microsoft. No one else will be happy to be loosing money, and I doubt Microsoft is willing to pay for the licensing.

 

[ND40oz]

The exact same types of licensing agreements exist. The only games MS can guarantee one platform to another are ones they own 100%.
Companies that own games based on IP like say The great circle. They are licensed so that when they are sold in a console version they are for use on THAT CONSOLE ONLY. They don't let you take your Indiana Jones game sell it on a console and then let people install it on a PC or any other platform, not for free anyway.

This will be true for UFC games, WWE games, NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB, Disney games, WB games like Batman games, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, Lego, Mortal Kombat, Lord of the Rings. All those types of games will be licensed one platform at a time.

When you get down to it probably 80% of all Video games are based on IP that has been licensed. No one blanket licenses their IP to be used however the buyer sees fit forever. One of the big ones is game developed for X platform(s). If a developer signs a deal to create a game for the PS4,Xbox,PC... their are stipulations that are very clear that every one of those platforms is independent. Buying a copy for one does not mean you are selling a copy for the others. It also doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and sell that game as a PS5 title 4 years later either. If you want to make a new version you have to make a NEW version. Its why we get Remasters. Remasters are a new game sold at a new price, sometimes for new platforms, and all IP used will be renegotiated. (ever play a remaster where the music is completely different... or the voice actor changes?)

That is just the obvious overall IP. Their is also music IP which is as big and perhaps an even bigger issue with old games on new platforms. Take as an example Marvels Guardians of the Galaxy game. That game has a ton of commercial music in it. If the publisher wanted to sell that game on a new console down the road (even a handheld one) the publisher will have to re license the music. The music industry is not going to give them a deal if the game is no longer capable of being sold at AAA pricing. They don't care that they want to sell a $30 remaster, they get paid the same amount for the rights to those songs. LIke I mentioned earlier many old games have been pulled from Steam, some coming back some not... because their music license expired.

Right, but that's the point. If you're going to claim that Xbox PC app is comparable to the current consoles, they aren't. That's the whole idea of Xbox Play Anywhere though but you're limited to the Play Anywhere games.

Yeah and buying Hogwarts Legacy on Steam, Xbox and PS5 sucked but that kept the kids happy.

To be honest... this new Xbox handheld. MS may actually run into legal issues depending how they market it and how exactly it works. I would not be shocked if the only "xbox" games that run on it are ones published by Microsoft. No one else will be happy to be loosing money, and I doubt Microsoft is willing to pay for the licensing.

They've said it's only going to support PC Xbox app games, I'm guessing when the first party console was cancelled and it moved to being an Asus branded one, all of the console only feature went with it.

 

[HeadRusch]

You keep saying people have 10+ year old hardware that they want to run Windows 11 on. Where are they? If you're so tied to Linux, keep tinkering with SteamOS and use it.

Me, for one. I just dropped $500 on an AMD bundle. Not joining anyones side here but you asked, I answered. I also have two laptops meeting the same fate.

 

[LukeTbk]

I just dropped $500 on an AMD bundle.

$500 on a 2015 AMD bundle with the goal to run Windows 11 on ? I can imagine some Opteron system of that era having some value but to run windows ?

 

[HeadRusch]

$500 on a 2015 AMD bundle with the goal to run Windows 11 on ? I can imagine some Opteron system of that era having some value but to run windows ?

8700k aging out for Windows 10, $500 on a 7800X3D/MB/Ram combo to replace it and also run Win11. 8700k's future is up for grabs at this point, but it was time either way....Win10 meltdown nudged me.

 

[LukeTbk]

8700k aging out for Windows 10, $500 on a 7800X3D/MB/Ram combo to replace it and also run Win11. 8700k's future is up for grabs at this point, but it was time either way....Win10 meltdown nudged me.

A ok I have read you backward I think, 8700k is in the officially supported windows 11 cpu list:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/w...pported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

Could be the oldest in that list under full Microsoft approve (officially support is 8th gen an up for Intel)

 

[HeadRusch]

A ok I have read you backward I think, 8700k is in the officially supported windows 11 cpu list:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/w...pported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

Could be the oldest in that list under full Microsoft approve (officially support is 8th gen an up for Intel)

Must be my MB missing the necessary TPSM 2.0 module (???), it is a revision 1 model....all I know is Windows kept telling me: This thing does not support Windows 11.

So as long as nobody rats me out to my wife on this matter, I am 100% confident in that correctness

Also, I am being told my 1080 Ti may not be supported much longer on driver updates. I can't immediately recall where I fabricated observed this story from online but that doesn't matter.....Protecting my LAN is Protecting my Family is Protecting MY COUNTRY. I'm doing MY part. Would you like to know more?

 

[LukeTbk]

ust be my MB missing the necessary TPSM 2.0 module

Intel CPU/chipset provide the TPM 2.0 capacity themselve usually, not an extra motherboard chips, bios would have option that need to be set to on too (intel PTT and other type set to on), we can keep a secret.

 

[DukenukemX]

You keep saying people have 10+ year old hardware that they want to run Windows 11 on. Where are they? If you're so tied to Linux, keep tinkering with SteamOS and use it.

Where is the 10+ year old hardware? You want me to go look for it? This guy literally wants me to do his homework. It's about 43% of Windows 10 machines. You're telling me to tinker with Linux as if you can't read my signature.

Because Windows 11 is used for more than just PC gaming. You want Windows Hello, you need the TPM 2.0 chip. You want bitlocker, you need the TPM 2.0 chip, all things businesses want for their users who are the ones paying the bulk of the licensing for Windows. Apple does the same thing with their T2 chip.

WTF is Windows Hello? Gotta Google this shit. Facial recognition, fingerprints, or a personal identification number (PIN)? Not only has this been on Windows 10, but I would never want this. Even with Windows 10, it took advantage of TPM hardware. Why the hell is TPM 2.0 required again? Also, I use Linux so guess what businesses use Linux for? Doesn't require any TPM or secure boot nonsense.

Yeah, my exact response when reading anything you type.

You can't possibly be this dense. Let me break it down for you in a way maybe you can understand. I have a catalog of Xbox games that's been built up for 24 years now. Many of them are playable on my Series S and X but they are not available on the PC through the Xbox app. I'm not going to rebuy games that I already own on the Xbox to play them on the PC. If you're going to claim the PC app has feature parity with the console, than it needs to support every console game.

First, you didn't word it that way. Made it sound like these games never existed on PC. Second, yes you can. You can play pretty much any Xbox game on PC through emulation, with maybe the exception of the Xbox One and Series consoles. Even then, Microsoft maybe making an app to be able to play those games on Windows, but I don't know much info on that.

View: https://youtu.be/DXSEhCQxqEQ?si=Dec-kHf0kBrPnLqV

If it's available on the Xbox console but not on the PC app, then you can't blame it on licensing.

Yes you can because it's Microsoft's service. If the game is available on Steam then it's available. I even know some games that aren't on PC, and I'm not an Xbox fanboy. Conker Live & Reloaded, which was exclusive to Xbox. Ignore the N64 version, which maybe better in some ways. Most of the games that were made exclusive to Xbox are old and weren't very popular. Since Xbox One, all games on Xbox One are on PC, and sometimes Switch.

Game Pass clearly proves there is a discrepancy between the console and the pc, if there was parity, Microsoft wouldn't have separate versions of Game Pass. You seem to be harping on AI way too much instead of relying on personal experience. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Dude, it's Microsoft's service. The only discrepancy is Microsoft's willingness to pay for some games. This is how streaming services work and why some movies and shows move around. If Microsoft doesn't want to pay for the PC version of some games for Game Pass, then that's a Microsoft problem.

 

[HeadRusch]

Intel CPU/chipset provide the TPM 2.0 capacity themselve usually, not an extra motherboard chips, bios would have option that need to be set to on too (intel PTT and other type set to on), we can keep a secret.

Legit did not realize it was just a UEFI feature built into the chipset.....I'll take a look later on that rig and I'm going to guess there's a TPM/Secure Boot option in there I've set to OFF. You always wonder when you're going to reach that point in life where you gotta start second-guessing your own assuredness that you know your PC shit This is my (latest) moment! (probably).

This doesn't change my plans at all, I will need a DLSS enabled RTX card because really new games just need more under the hood, and that 8700k is a terrible pairing for something like a 5070 TI+....but it would give this build continued life on windows 11. We'll see. Thx for the knowledge drop.

 

[LukeTbk]

WTF is Windows Hello? Gotta Google this shit. Facial recognition, fingerprints, or a personal identification number (PIN)? Not only has this been on Windows 10, but I would never want this. Even with Windows 10, it took advantage of TPM hardware. Why the hell is TPM 2.0 required again? Also, I use Linux so guess what businesses use Linux for? Doesn't require any TPM or secure boot nonsense.

You can run windows hello/digikey with a less secure pure software fallback that is true, it depends if your employer/business configuration for login will accept them, a lot of the Linux world as all that nonsense, what percentage of Android phone (TEE-Knox vault, etc...) do not have pretty much exactly what TPM is and do ?

Desktop Linux can of course use all of this as well, secure boot, the difference is requirement... giant corporation like Microsoft can create a 2032 world where company can assume every phone and laptop that communicate with them have TPM 2 or better technology which can be very useful, people making a Linux distro do not have to care for a second about any of anything.

Yes you can because it's Microsoft's service. If the game is available on Steam then it's available

Yes but without knowing how much money the publisher are asking them for to extend the license (and how clear who you deal with for old games, remember all the talk about the simple just make a new 64 bits build if you want PhysiX to work....), it is hard to blame strongly. They need to buy from publisher that playanywhere option and retroactively doing it is not necessarily always straight forward (even for studio they bought, game published before the acquisition did not got it)

 

[ND40oz]

Where is the 10+ year old hardware? You want me to go look for it? This guy literally wants me to do his homework. It's about 43% of Windows 10 machines. You're telling me to tinker with Linux as if you can't read my signature.

Yes and all of that 10+ year old hardware is out of date. How many people are still using 10+ year old phones? Very few, because the OS and software support is no longer there. People are lucky Microsoft has supported it this long. Look at Red Hat's compatibility list, RHEL 10 is only 7th gen and up processors: https://catalog.redhat.com/search?s...ertified_versions=Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10

WTF is Windows Hello? Gotta Google this shit. Facial recognition, fingerprints, or a personal identification number (PIN)? Not only has this been on Windows 10, but I would never want this. Even with Windows 10, it took advantage of TPM hardware. Why the hell is TPM 2.0 required again? Also, I use Linux so guess what businesses use Linux for? Doesn't require any TPM or secure boot nonsense.

Businesses want and ask for this stuff. No one cares if your PC gets cryptolocked except for you, but the companies that make up a bulk of Microsofts revenue do care if it happens their company.

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First, you didn't word it that way. Made it sound like these games never existed on PC. Second, yes you can. You can play pretty much any Xbox game on PC through emulation, with maybe the exception of the Xbox One and Series consoles. Even then, Microsoft maybe making an app to be able to play those games on Windows, but I don't know much info on that.

View: https://youtu.be/DXSEhCQxqEQ?si=Dec-kHf0kBrPnLqV

Stop bringing up emulation and pirating. I've paid for my games, I own the licenses, if I want to play them on PC like you're claiming you can do with any Xbox game on the current console, I shouldn't have to pirate them.

Yes you can because it's Microsoft's service. If the game is available on Steam then it's available. I even know some games that aren't on PC, and I'm not an Xbox fanboy. Conker Live & Reloaded, which was exclusive to Xbox. Ignore the N64 version, which maybe better in some ways. Most of the games that were made exclusive to Xbox are old and weren't very popular. Since Xbox One, all games on Xbox One are on PC, and sometimes Switch.

We'll we're finally getting somewhere with admitting that games I own and can play on my Series S and X aren't available on the PC. Thanks for coming around.

Dude, it's Microsoft's service. The only discrepancy is Microsoft's willingness to pay for some games. This is how streaming services work and why some movies and shows move around. If Microsoft doesn't want to pay for the PC version of some games for Game Pass, then that's a Microsoft problem.

Then stop claiming the PC App and the Series S and X are comparable. They're clearly not and that's going to be a huge drawback on the Asus handheld as well.

 

[DukenukemX]

Yes but without knowing how much money the publisher are asking them for to extend the license (and how clear who you deal with for old games, remember all the talk about the simple just make a new 64 bits build if you want PhysiX to work....), it is hard to blame strongly. They need to buy from publisher that playanywhere option and retroactively doing it is not necessarily always straight forward (even for studio they bought, game published before the acquisition did not got it)

Then it's the publishers fault. This is still a Game Pass problem. If you really wanted the game that badly, then buy it. The original Assassin's Creed is $20 off Steam. Or $6.55 from the not very ethical websites.

Yes and all of that 10+ year old hardware is out of date.

If it works then it works. My Ryzen 1700 is still kicking around and it's 8 years old.

View: https://youtu.be/m-kZvrXorVc?si=yUzw_2glU984Hht0

How many people are still using 10+ year old phones? Very few, because the OS and software support is no longer there.

The what? How did we get to phones? Also, don't look at my LineageOS devices. I plan to migrate over to EvolutionX because I hear great things about it.

Businesses want and ask for this stuff. No one cares if your PC gets cryptolocked except for you, but the companies that make up a bulk of Microsofts revenue do care if it happens their company.

My computer isn't used for business. Can we make TPM2.0 optional now?

Stop bringing up emulation and pirating. I've paid for my games, I own the licenses, if I want to play them on PC like you're claiming you can do with any Xbox game on the current console, I shouldn't have to pirate them.

This is a straw man argument. If your games are on DVD then you can just stick them into your PCs DVD drive. You'll need to create an ISO image of the game, but that's an easy task to accomplish. No piracy required.

We'll we're finally getting somewhere with admitting that games I own and can play on my Series S and X aren't available on the PC. Thanks for coming around.

That's an Xbox original game and it's perfectly playable on PC too. Without piracy.

View: https://youtu.be/R_VeIc7Cf6s?si=jdXKJ6Iaa2CJ8euI

Then stop claiming the PC App and the Series S and X are comparable. They're clearly not and that's going to be a huge drawback on the Asus handheld as well.

Isn't the Asus handheld going to be able to play Xbox games? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the appeal of the hand held?

 

[LukeTbk]

Isn't the Asus handheld going to be able to play Xbox games? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the appeal of the hand held?

Will have to see how much, there is a world that publisher-microsoft strike a deal to enlarge the range of playanywheretitle (around 1,000 right now of those, but a lot of that are small indie title) + emulator for the pre 2015 not yet every xbox title had a pc version that work well enough for most relevant Xbox title to play.

But maybe not, the language used does not make it sound like will necessarily be a 100% library support at launch. Buying the rights for 20 millions+ xbox account library (that say have 3 relevant title that are not on playanywhere) is good money and for a lot of publisher good legal work, publisher have deal with game dev regarding events like that sometime, 2013 games.... lot of that will be from closed / merged game devs with a closed/merged publisher and so on.

 

[ManofGod]

I want my XBox to be a console and not a PC, I want it to have console specific functions. If I want to get back into PC Gaming, I will just pick up a Steamdeck or one of those Lenovo handhelds with Steam OS.

 

[DukenukemX]

I want my XBox to be a console and not a PC, I want it to have console specific functions. If I want to get back into PC Gaming, I will just pick up a Steamdeck or one of those Lenovo handhelds with Steam OS.

That's because PC killed the console star. Consoles became less easy to use while PC's have gotten easier to use. Consoles are no longer cheap either as you can buy or build a gaming PC for nearly as much as a console. The PC might not perform as well as the console at equal pricing, but it doesn't matter anymore. The main reason to get a gaming PC isn't for frame rates, though it is a benefit if you have more money to spend. The main reason is because you don't have a limit on what games you can play. You want old games? You want new games? You want games from long forgotten consoles? You want to play free community made games like Brutal Doom and Holocure. We have emulators. We have decompilation games. We have mods for your games to make female characters actually female. We have private servers to play old forgotten MMO's. What Microsoft is doing is acknowledging defeat and learning to adapt.


View: https://youtu.be/zdH_fKXSZ4c?si=r0TqXQ4rJiPLwZFD

 

[ManofGod]

That's because PC killed the console star. Consoles became less easy to use while PC's have gotten easier to use. Consoles are no longer cheap either as you can buy or build a gaming PC for nearly as much as a console. The PC might not perform as well as the console at equal pricing, but it doesn't matter anymore. The main reason to get a gaming PC isn't for frame rates, though it is a benefit if you have more money to spend. The main reason is because you don't have a limit on what games you can play. You want old games? You want new games? You want games from long forgotten consoles? You want to play free community made games like Brutal Doom and Holocure. We have emulators. We have decompilation games. We have mods for your games to make female characters actually female. We have private servers to play old forgotten MMO's. What Microsoft is doing is acknowledging defeat and learning to adapt.


View: https://youtu.be/zdH_fKXSZ4c?si=r0TqXQ4rJiPLwZFD

And yet, Windows 11 sucks for gaming in comparison to the XBox OS that is in use right now.

 

[Lifelite]

And yet, Windows 11 sucks for gaming in comparison to the XBox OS that is in use right now.

How so? Win 11 has been great for me overall in gaming, especially auto HDR and stuff.

 

[ManofGod]

How so? Win 11 has been great for me overall in gaming, especially auto HDR and stuff.

No quick launch, no Hdr just working without having to configure it and even then, manually turn it off when you are at the desktop. A crap ton of launchers in Windows that load slow, games load slow and so on. With XBox, just plug in, power on, log in, download the games if you do not have them already and play. HDR runs automatically and well, apps run without issue and so on. Microsoft is NOT going to make Windows 11 an optimized gaming OS, they could not care less about that.

 

[Lifelite]

No quick launch, no Hdr just working without having to configure it and even then, manually turn it off when you are at the desktop. A crap ton of launchers in Windows that load slow, games load slow and so on. With XBox, just plug in, power on, log in, download the games if you do not have them already and play. HDR runs automatically and well, apps run without issue and so on. Microsoft is NOT going to make Windows 11 an optimized gaming OS, they could not care less about that.

Kinda sounds like you don't want a desktop pc, you just want a console with more steps. Win 11 is an all purpose OS with no particular focus...they tried the "focused" purpose akin to xbox OS in Win 8 and it was terrible.

The launchers are a publisher problem. I have zero issue with HDR, only a couple of times have I had to configure something, and I'm honestly completely fine not having quick launch...that's just basically minimizing your game window, just maybe more gracefully.

 

[DukenukemX]

And yet, Windows 11 sucks for gaming in comparison to the XBox OS that is in use right now.

Xbox OS doesn't do anything else but play Xbox games. It's a strange comparison.

No quick launch,

Quick launch? I wouldn't want my PC to boot into Steam Big Picture mode. Which you could totally do by the way.

no Hdr just working without having to configure it and even then, manually turn it off when you are at the desktop.

Why do you care about the desktop? Sounds like you just want a launcher anyway. Plus, Windows 11 has an Auto HDR feature, which does need to be enabled.

A crap ton of launchers in Windows that load slow, games load slow and so on.

You also get a crap ton of games you wouldn't on Xbox through multiple launchers. You can also set it up so they all launch through Steam anyway.

View: https://youtu.be/jVCthHbyaAA?si=wNSzQcZOoWdRgEMy

With XBox, just plug in, power on, log in, download the games if you do not have them already and play. HDR runs automatically and well, apps run without issue and so on. Microsoft is NOT going to make Windows 11 an optimized gaming OS, they could not care less about that.

Keep in mind that Xbox is losing customers and PC gaming is gaining. If this mattered, then people would have picked up Xbox and left behind PC gaming. Meanwhile, everyone complains about graphic card prices because lots of people are gaming on PC. You don't see people getting upset that they can't find an Xbox Series S/X in stores. You did with Playstation 5 for a while. Whatever reasons you have to stay with Xbox are not working for Microsoft. And yes, Microsoft does care about gaming on Windows 11. There's a reason why they quickly make a gaming optimized Windows 11 for hand helds.

 

[Lifelite]

Xbox OS doesn't do anything else but play Xbox games. It's a strange comparison.

Quick launch? I wouldn't want my PC to boot into Steam Big Picture mode. Which you could totally do by the way.

Why do you care about the desktop? Sounds like you just want a launcher anyway. Plus, Windows 11 has an Auto HDR feature, which does need to be enabled.

You also get a crap ton of games you wouldn't on Xbox through multiple launchers. You can also set it up so they all launch through Steam anyway.

View: https://youtu.be/jVCthHbyaAA?si=wNSzQcZOoWdRgEMy

Keep in mind that Xbox is losing customers and PC gaming is gaining. If this mattered, then people would have picked up Xbox and left behind PC gaming. Meanwhile, everyone complains about graphic card prices because lots of people are gaming on PC. You don't see people getting upset that they can't find an Xbox Series S/X in stores. You did with Playstation 5 for a while. Whatever reasons you have to stay with Xbox are not working for Microsoft. And yes, Microsoft does care about gaming on Windows 11. There's a reason why they quickly make a gaming optimized Windows 11 for hand helds.

Yeah sounds like he wants Steam OS on a desktop....which to be fair, I want that too lol. Dual booting win 11 and Steam OS would be awesome.

I think that's coming soon officially, there's already nerds out there that got it up and running but only on specific builds.

 

[Marees]

today is a big Xbox PC day. Microsoft is adding Steam games to its Xbox PC app on Windows for Insider testing. It's part of the new aggregated gaming library that will also appear on the new Xbox Ally handhelds. Full details

https://x.com/tomwarren/status/1937164040867881071

 

[ManofGod]

today is a big Xbox PC day. Microsoft is adding Steam games to its Xbox PC app on Windows for Insider testing. It's part of the new aggregated gaming library that will also appear on the new Xbox Ally handhelds. Full details

https://x.com/tomwarren/status/1937164040867881071

LOL! Something within something within something on underpowered hardware that Windows is not optimized for. Might as well just run Steam OS and skip the few XBox Windows games that are available, in comparison. Microsoft is just trying to play catch up, just like they did with their mobile phones and smart watch and will fail and quit early on.

 

[Ididar]

Yeah, I see no advantage to running my Steam games via an XBox app. What does that get me that using Steam already doesn't? I just double click on shortcuts now on my desktop to launch my games. How are they going to make that easier?

 

[SeymourGore]

I see it as a step towards their "Xbox Full Experience" (or whatever it's called). The mode they were hyping with the Ally Xbox reveal.

The real exciting bit is when they bring in the gaming optimizations for Windows the Xbox team has been working on.

 

[ManofGod]

I see it as a step towards their "Xbox Full Experience" (or whatever it's called). The mode they were hyping with the Ally Xbox reveal.

The real exciting bit is when they bring in the gaming optimizations for Windows the Xbox team has been working on.

I probably will not buy it but I have been tempted to get a ROG Ally from Bestbuy Openbox Good for $550 since it also support the Steam OS. The storage can be upgraded with a 2230 size NVMe.

 

[SeymourGore]

I probably will not buy it but I have been tempted to get a ROG Ally from Bestbuy Openbox Good for $550 since it also support the Steam OS. The storage can be upgraded with a 2230 size NVMe.

That's what I ended up getting (best buy open box/refurb), put in a 2tb 2230, and installed Bazzite. Great little system.

 

[DukenukemX]

Yeah, I see no advantage to running my Steam games via an XBox app. What does that get me that using Steam already doesn't? I just double click on shortcuts now on my desktop to launch my games. How are they going to make that easier?

Works towards Microsoft's benefit. The idea is to get you used to using the Xbox app so that Microsoft could just kick out Steam. Come for the Steam games, but stay for the Xbox games. Classic Microsoft.

 

[Ididar]

Works towards Microsoft's benefit. The idea is to get you used to using the Xbox app so that Microsoft could just kick out Steam. Come for the Steam games, but stay for the Xbox games. Classic Microsoft.

I get it. I just don't even use Steam right now except to buy the game in the first place. I never launch games from Steam so why would I want to open another app to launch a game? I guess it only appeals to executive types who don't really understand how people actually play games.

 

[ChadD]

I get it. I just don't even use Steam right now except to buy the game in the first place. I never launch games from Steam so why would I want to open another app to launch a game? I guess it only appeals to executive types who don't really understand how people actually play games.

On Linux hardware you would always be using the steam launcher. Valve implemented shader pre compiling. Shaders shared by other users are pre compiled on your hardware before a game launches. Greatly improves studder created by shader compilation during gameplay.
It's a feature I believe you can turn on in the windows version as well.
I used to never use launchers cause I said but the overhead. These days I don't think a couple hindered mb of ram is hurting anyone. Valve has incorporated a few tricks to make games run a bit smoother. Granted most of those tricks are mostly aimed at Linux such as game scope. Still launchers done right can be worthwhile.

 

[LukeTbk]

I get it. I just don't even use Steam right now except to buy the game in the first place. I never launch games from Steam so why would I want to open another app to launch a game? I guess it only appeals to executive types who don't really understand how people actually play games.

Lot of power in by default option, you can launch an steam like app to sync your save file from your session from a different device, update the game to the latest version, buy an other game, install previously bought games, not just necessarily to launch it, a lot of people use a launcher to launch game (I do in bigtv mode on the tv).

Once you get there for those steam actions/behavior you get exposed to microsoft alternative offer, it should be easy for a store to be as good as steam, it is mostly network/habit effect.

I often launch them from steam just because I opened steam to let it update the game, would an update existed.

 

[DukenukemX]

I get it. I just don't even use Steam right now except to buy the game in the first place. I never launch games from Steam so why would I want to open another app to launch a game? I guess it only appeals to executive types who don't really understand how people actually play games.

Doesn't everyone just double click the shortcut on their desktop? Who wants to go through the launcher to play their game? I keep discord on a second monitor and a browser. Why would I want to look at Steam?

On Linux hardware you would always be using the steam launcher. Valve implemented shader pre compiling. Shaders shared by other users are pre compiled on your hardware before a game launches. Greatly improves studder created by shader compilation during gameplay.

I use Heroic Game Launcher if the game isn't on Steam.

 

[1_rick]

Doesn't everyone just double click the shortcut on their desktop?

You're one of those people with 200 icons on your desktop, who can never remember where you put that spreadsheet Susy from Accounting asked about yesterday, aren't you?

I use Steam to launch games because it keeps my desktop clean.

 

[LukeTbk]

When you play from a TV with a controller/remote launcher are nice as well...

 

[ChadD]

Doesn't everyone just double click the shortcut on their desktop? Who wants to go through the launcher to play their game? I keep discord on a second monitor and a browser. Why would I want to look at Steam?

I use Heroic Game Launcher if the game isn't on Steam.

Right click the tray icon.... last 5 games launched right there.
I love Heroic as well. Just wish Steam would allow you to use the shader pre cache stuff with games you add to Steam. Not a big enough deal to do anything stupid like rebuy anything. When I buy games though I have paid a $5 extra a few times to get them on Steam rather then other stores. (I mean more confident steam never gets shut down as anyway).

 

[DukenukemX]

You're one of those people with 200 icons on your desktop, who can never remember where you put that spreadsheet Susy from Accounting asked about yesterday, aren't you?

My desktop is not like that since I've been on Linux for the past many years. It certainly used to be, but nowadays I keep things organized. Also, Susie's spreadsheet was in your inbox like 3 days ago.

I use Steam to launch games because it keeps my desktop clean.

When I'm done with a game I tend to move the icons to a folder or just delete the game. My CachyOS install is relatively new so I've not had the need to do so. Plus I have a 2TB SSD so I can be a bit lazy about remove stuff. Not including my other mechanical HDD drives.

Right click the tray icon.... last 5 games launched right there.
I love Heroic as well. Just wish Steam would allow you to use the shader pre cache stuff with games you add to Steam. Not a big enough deal to do anything stupid like rebuy anything. When I buy games though I have paid a $5 extra a few times to get them on Steam rather then other stores. (I mean more confident steam never gets shut down as anyway).

I don't bother with shortcuts using Heroic game launcher. I just open it up and double click my game and it's done. Right now it just has Battle.net for World of Warcraft. The shortcuts you see on my desktop is because I haven't bothered to remove them yet.

 

[Ididar]

My desktop is not like that since I've been on Linux for the past many years. It certainly used to be, but nowadays I keep things organized. Also, Susie's spreadsheet was in your inbox like 3 days ago.

Yeah, my desktop is pretty tidy as well. I'm on Win11 and use Portals to keep things grouped and organized. To hell with opening one program to open another. For Steam updates, that is happening in the background for the most part anyway. I know Steam is "open" in the background I just don't open the launcher to get at a game just to run it. I have many half a dozen games installed at a given time and just keep the shortcuts in my Gaming Portals group and launch everything from there.

 

[Marees]

update: Sony's (predictable) response:

Industry murmurs suggest Sony will no longer release PS5 exclusives on PC — New leadership might be willing to forgo PC revenue to fortify console platform​

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By Hassam Nasir published 4 hours ago
Insomniac's Wolverine will likely not come out on PC.

With the next-gen Xbox essentially being a PC, PlayStation wants to stand tall as the only option (left) in its class. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume the Japanese giant doesn't want people on the Green Team easily playing its first-party exclusives, no matter the nuances of the platform. The PS5-PC "Cross-Buy" feature we reported on earlier also seems to have been cancelled now. In addition, Sony recently shut down Bluepoint Games, its in-house remaster/remake specialist.​

Bloomberg reporter Jason Schrier, speaking on the Triple Click podcast, revealed that Sony is "backing away from putting their exclusive console stuff like traditional single-player stuff on PC." He implied that Sony no longer sees PC as an important outlet for some of its titles and is ready to relinquish the revenue generated from the platform (which apparently wasn't much to begin with).

PlayStation is renowned for its single-player story games, such as God of War and The Last of Us franchises. Still, the company also produces and/or distributes multiplayer titles like Arrowhead's highly-popular Helldivers 2.

It's only the former that Sony seems to be pivoting on, deciding to keep its AAA exclusives exclusive to the PS5, while live-service games will continue to be available as usual.

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-...-forgo-pc-revenue-to-fortify-console-platform