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Assassin's Creed Shadows

polonyc2 said:
1 million players is a massive number for a game under 1 day old no matter how you look at it...whether it's Game Pass or Ubisoft Connect etc...people are playing the game...people aren't going to play a bad game or game they have little interest in (especially on Day 1) just because it's available on Game Pass...Day 1 numbers show that a lot of people were looking forward to playing
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We don't even know how they come up with that number, and it is exactly day 1 when people don't play a game because it is good, they play it to try and decide if it's any good. If it's really good numbers should go up steadily for a while.

The only thing we can be sure of is that it is producing Veilguard-esque numbers on steam, and that was a flop confirmed by EA. It also cost similar amount to make. So it is not looking good for Ubisoft.

TaintedSquirrel said:
To be clear, Shadows is a better game than Valhalla.
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Based on what?
 
polonyc2 said:
before it was that reviews were going to be terrible
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Who expected reviews to be bad? We expect reviews to be completely unreliable and not be based on games quality but on politics. That is the only expectation I have for games media these days, from both sides.
polonyc2 said:
and players were not going to play it...
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Who said that? Everyone sensible counted on it to have a guaranteed built in player base due to the AC name alone. And frankly I expected it to easily beat Veilguard's numbers, but it barely even got half of that so far, it can still match it during the weekend, but remember it would only be matching a certified flop even then.
polonyc2 said:
now that narrative has been erased so it's about never making enough to cover the budget...what happens when it surpasses that mark?...what's the next one?
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If it surpasses that mark, I'd be very surprised and happy. Just because I expect it to be fail doesn't mean i want it to fail. But the surest way to tell if a game is winning or flopping is whether they publish cold hard sales data. And not comments from looser journos who are later forced to delete their comments touting it as a huge success, when the game is confirmed to having only sold a third of their lowest projected target.
 
cvinh said:
So why appease the Japanese if they "don't give a fuck".
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The moral busy body outrage is just as annoying when it comes from the anti woke, as it is from the other side.
cvinh said:
Tables and racks in temples/shrines are now indestructible (Some objects like drums or bowls can still be broken as they are generic ones present everywhere in the world) (Tables are still dynamic objects, so players can still move/push them).
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This is not a fix or an improvement, this is literal censorship. And the people praising it just because it comes from the anti DEI side are hypocrites.
Dion said:
Valhalla sold well cause of COVID. Using it as an example for anything is just unrealistic.
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Valhalla sold well because Odyssey was a great game.
 
Just got my 3rd season change (so 4th season total) and all 4 have looked the exact same. Also I haven't seen any snow, dead trees, etc except for flashbacks. This is weird.

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One full season lasts about two hours, with mid-season transitions taking place every hour or so. Each of the seasons in Assassin's Creed Shadows consists of two phases, so players may find that a season change animation won't always lead to a brand-new season per se.
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cvinh said:
41k concurrent Steam players on release day. Looks like the end of the road for Ubisoft. Can't say I'll miss em.
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Still plenty of good games of theirs to play and I don't want to lose access to them.
M76 said:
The moral busy body outrage is just as annoying when it comes from the anti woke, as it is from the other side.

This is not a fix or an improvement, this is literal censorship. And the people praising it just because it comes from the anti DEI side are hypocrites.

Valhalla sold well because Odyssey was a great game.
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Valhalla sold well because it got the new console gen bump.
 
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyPCaGUphUM
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I don't know how many people actually watched Muta's video, but he said that he has traditionally been a fan of the AssCreed games and pointed out several things that he did like about the game. Although I did have to chuckle at the top comment. :p

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The game does look pretty good in terms of graphics (one would hope so considering the budget and foundation they had to build on), but that isn't what will sell it. Ubisoft doesn't have exclusive rights to pretty visuals, but they might have them to sequelitis and questionable choices for their top franchises.

If this game fails to miss its sales targets, it won't be because there's a black guy in it, despite what some will try to say. That's a lazy and reductive argument. It will likely be because it failed to do anything revolutionary, combined with folks' general disdain for Ubisoft and their overpriced schlock that largely reuse the same ideas over and over and over and over, after they had already peaked in previous titles (see also: Far Cry after entry #4 or so).

I don't want people like mr_zen256 who were looking forward to this game to not enjoy it. But seriously, how much more of this can people really stand to stomach before sales start to wane?

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I don't even think that's all of them...
 
Lateralus said:
If this game fails to miss its sales targets, it won't be because there's a black guy in it
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I think you're wrong about that. Let's be honest, the black guy in it is the biggest catalyst for the backlash against the game, and I bet you anything if the game had a japanese man in it as the second protagonist it would be doing much better.

But that's not because gamers are racists, it is because the black guy is in the wrong game for all the wrong reasons. If Yasuke was an NPC in the game, like say Socrates in Odyssey, it would be considered a neat easter egg, nothing more. I think it is in very bad taste to make a foreigner the protagonist in this setting. And I'm sure they choose this route to own the chuds. Except the only thing they are owning is themselves by putting their jobs into jeopardy. And to be clear if the roles were reversed and the portugese white guy would be the protagonist, it would also be equally bad.

So it has nothing to do with being black, even though the shill defense force will certainly try to use racism as the reason when they are ready to admit that it is flopping.
 
From what little I've seen of this, to me it seems like it's trying to be a Ghost of Tsushima knock-off, and a very generic one at that with laughably bad AI (should stand for Airquote Intelligence). Even the way the bow is drawn and shot is way to similar.

You know the old saying though, Opinions are like orifices - everyone's an asshole, or something like that. :p
 
horse said:
to me it seems like it's trying to be a Ghost of Tsushima knock-off,
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Because of how similar of a copy Ghost was to an Assassin Creed game, in a way they probably too hard to avoid Ghost of Tsushima more than the opposite.
 
AC AI has never been good. Reality is that it’s intentionally dumbed down because if the AI was more aggressive people would get their shit pushed in when you’re fighting multiples.

I generally appreciate how the stealth mechanics have been focused on this time around, because stealth has largely fallen by the wayside for the past three games (technically four with mirage). They’ve got the new crawling mechanic, and actually utilizing light as well.

For me, it’s hitting the target on what I wanted a Japan setting AC to be, and even if it’s not commercially successful I’ll end up feeling satisfied that I got the AC I’ve been waiting almost 20 years for.

Thus far I’d rate this one pretty high, it’s better than at least half the other AC games for me.
 
M76 said:
I think you're wrong about that. Let's be honest, the black guy in it is the biggest catalyst for the backlash against the game, and I bet you anything if the game had a japanese man in it as the second protagonist it would be doing much better.

But that's not because gamers are racists, it is because the black guy is in the wrong game for all the wrong reasons. If Yasuke was an NPC in the game, like say Socrates in Odyssey, it would be considered a neat easter egg, nothing more. I think it is in very bad taste to make a foreigner the protagonist in this setting. And I'm sure they choose this route to own the chuds. Except the only thing they are owning is themselves by putting their jobs into jeopardy. And to be clear if the roles were reversed and the portugese white guy would be the protagonist, it would also be equally bad.

So it has nothing to do with being black, even though the shill defense force will certainly try to use racism as the reason when they are ready to admit that it is flopping.
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Putting any other race than a Japanese man in the role is the issue. So yes, race is the issue, but not because of racism. It’s literally the opposite of racism … it’s wanting to respect the setting and culture.
 
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polonyc2 said:
before it was that reviews were going to be terrible and players were not going to play it...now that narrative has been erased so it's about never making enough to cover the budget...what happens when it surpasses that mark?...what's the next one?
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I am not sure who said that because access media sites no longer have the influence they once did with gamers. They haven't for years now. Most people don't really trust IGN or sites like it anymore. Most people seem to pick Youtuber's who's opinions often align with theirs and those people have the influence now. Legacy media sites have had a problem with their reviewers being completely disconnected from gamers.

A game's success is predicated on being able to cover its development costs and earn a profit. Without that, a game is objectively a failure. A studio can turn out the best game ever and if it can't sell enough copies to cover its budget, it fails financially. There are a lot of reasons games fail and one of the biggest problems with AAA games is their development costs. For comparison, AAA games out of Eastern countries like China and Korea are being made in half the time for half the cost of Western Studios.

There is no spin you can put on this that changes the math.
polonyc2 said:
1 million players is a massive number for a game under 1 day old no matter how you look at it...whether it's Game Pass or Ubisoft Connect etc...people are playing the game...people aren't going to play a bad game or game they have little interest in (especially on Day 1) just because it's available on Game Pass...Day 1 numbers show that a lot of people were looking forward to playing
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It may seem like a million players on day one is a lot, but it isn't. This is one of the biggest franchises in gaming. It should have had at least a couple hundred thousand players on Steam yesterday. And no, you can't look at previous games in the series for indicators of that given they didn't launch on Steam originally. Like Dragon Age Inquisition, they came to Steam after being on other platforms for years. If you compare AC Shadows to other multiplatform games that were a hit, its not looking good so far. Games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong broke records on Steam with more than a million concurrent players on day one. At best, AC Shadows had a million players try the game (not a million in sales) across all platforms. Right now, AC Shadows is pulling half Veilguard's numbers on Steam.

I'm not saying the game is a flop. It's too early to call it that. We'll have a better idea of how the game is doing after the weekend is over. I suspect peak concurrent player counts will increase over the weekend. Launch weekend is usually the biggest indicator of a game's success with Steam numbers generally hitting their peak and falling off at various rates after that. While its true Steam doesn't paint the whole picture its usually a good indicator that a game is a success or failure. For example, multiplatform games that are a hit show very high concurrent Steam player counts and games that fail don't. I don't know of any case where a game available on PC and Console (that launched at the same time) did super well on one platform and utterly failed on another.
 
I really don't think we're going to double this over the weekend. Veilguard had better numbers on release day and only climbed another ~20k players concurrent by Sunday. If we see a deep discount in a month or 2, we'll have our answer.

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cvinh said:
I really don't think we're going to double this over the weekend. Veilguard had better numbers on release day and only climbed another ~20k players concurrent by Sunday. If we see a deep discount in a month or 2, we'll have our answer.

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I guess I don't understand why anyone would be buying the steam version of this game, period. You're paying a good 15-20% more than Ubisoft Connect if you buy outright, and all the third party keys are Ubisoft Connect as well. At least Veilguard it made sense to go with Steam because you couldn't get third party keys at all, and buying direct through the EA App wasn't any cheaper either. You also need Ubisoft Connect installed regardless if you want to get any special unlocks as the Steam version doesn't do that alone.

As to discussion of this game generally not going to sell well - I don't think it will sell well, even if it's a better AC title. I think Ubisoft has generally irreparably harmed their brands with their poor management, and the decision to make Mirage a full stand-alone game was very stupid. If Mirage was just a DLC to Valhalla like it should have been the general fatigue of the AC brand wouldn't be as bad as it is right now.
 
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Mchart said:
I guess I don't understand why anyone would be buying the steam version of this game, period. You're paying a good 15-20% more than Ubisoft Connect if you buy outright, and all the third party keys are Ubisoft Connect as well. At least Veilguard it made sense to go with Steam because you couldn't get third party keys at all, and buying direct through the EA App wasn't any cheaper either. You also need Ubisoft Connect installed regardless if you want to get any special unlocks as the Steam version doesn't do that alone.

As to discussion of this game generally not going to sell well - I don't think it will sell well, even if it's a better AC title. I think Ubisoft has generally irreparably harmed their brands with their poor management, and the decision to make Mirage a full stand-alone game was very stupid. If Mirage was just a DLC to Valhalla like it should have been the general fatigue of the AC brand wouldn't be as bad as it is right now.
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Most people aren't even aware of 3rd party key sellers, and many more are wary of them due to kinguin and other scam sites giving them a bad name. So 3rd party key sales only make up a fraction of the whole. Of course there is no data to back this up, call it an educated guess or a hunch.

I'm still interested to hear from people who think it is better than Valhalla, I wasn't trolling. Valhalla was OK-ish, if this is better I'll probably try it, but I need convincing, because from what I've seen so far it is not looking better apart from graphics.
 
Mchart said:
I guess I don't understand why anyone would be buying the steam version of this game, period. You're paying a good 15-20% more than Ubisoft Connect if you buy outright, and all the third party keys are Ubisoft Connect as well. At least Veilguard it made sense to go with Steam because you couldn't get third party keys at all, and buying direct through the EA App wasn't any cheaper either. You also need Ubisoft Connect installed regardless if you want to get any special unlocks as the Steam version doesn't do that alone.

As to discussion of this game generally not going to sell well - I don't think it will sell well, even if it's a better AC title. I think Ubisoft has generally irreparably harmed their brands with their poor management, and the decision to make Mirage a full stand-alone game was very stupid. If Mirage was just a DLC to Valhalla like it should have been the general fatigue of the AC brand wouldn't be as bad as it is right now.
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You don't know why people would want all their games on one platform and not deal with third party launchers? (Achievements, friends, technical issues) Even with all those perks you listed for Ubisoft Connect, I highly doubt 90% of PC players would go with them over Steam. I'd say 20% at most would be buying on Ubisoft.
 
M76 said:
Most people aren't even aware of 3rd party key sellers, and many more are wary of them due to kinguin and other scam sites giving them a bad name. So 3rd party key sales only make up a fraction of the whole. Of course there is no data to back this up, call it an educated guess or a hunch.

I'm still interested to hear from people who think it is better than Valhalla, I wasn't trolling. Valhalla was OK-ish, if this is better I'll probably try it, but I need convincing, because from what I've seen so far it is not looking better apart from graphics.
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I enjoyed Valhalla but I never thought it was that good because it basically felt like a shittier odyssey. This game is actually doing new stuff and also focusing back on stealth. My biggest gripe with Valhalla was the pure action focus and largely dumping most stealth aspects.
 
cvinh said:
You don't know why people would want all their games on one platform to keep track of achievements and not deal with third party launchers? Even with all those perks you listed for Ubisoft Connect, I highly doubt 90% of PC players would go with them over Steam.
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You really think 90% of pc players have it on steam? I could see that if the pricing was the same, but between the subscription and cheaper cost I don’t see that. Besides, Ubisoft connect isn’t some unknown thing. Between the Anno series, R6, etc it’s pretty well known.
 
cvinh said:
not deal with third party launchers?
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I am surprised Ubisoft made that choice, did they release a clean steam title that do not use the Ubisoft Launcher ?

Oh yes according to google, it only comes with a lite version of the Ubisoft Launcher.
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. You're paying a good 15-20% more than Ubisoft Connect if you buy outright,
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Are they not both $70
https://store.ubisoft.com/us/assassins-creed-shadows/660e5a03fbff4e2940488bcd.html?lang=en_US

If by Ubisoft connect it is a monthly subscription, I am not sure how to compare price like that.
 
LukeTbk said:
I am surprised Ubisoft made that choice, did they release a clean steam title that do not use the Ubisoft Launcher ?

Oh yes according to google, it only comes with a lite version of the Ubisoft Launcher.

Are they not both $70
https://store.ubisoft.com/us/assassins-creed-shadows/660e5a03fbff4e2940488bcd.html?lang=en_US

If by Ubisoft connect it is a monthly subscription, I am not sure how to compare price like that.
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You can get a 20% discount on Ubisoft's store for 100 gold points, which most people will have if you've been playing Ubisoft games over the years.
 
Just saw a trailer where your guy was in the water stealthing with a reed for air.
 
Mchart said:
You really think 90% of pc players have it on steam? I could see that if the pricing was the same, but between the subscription and cheaper cost I don’t see that. Besides, Ubisoft connect isn’t some unknown thing. Between the Anno series, R6, etc it’s pretty well known.
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Probably not 90% but I can't see a majority going in the other direction either. That's why I see concurrent Steam players as a good indicator of how a game is performing sales wise.
 
Mchart said:
Well, it works loads, but the performance seems bad given how good other native games run in comparison to Windows. Generally a M3 Max should be at least on par with a decent 4070 desktop as seen in other native metal games.
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KickAssCop said:
3 hours in and game is really growing on me. Combat is a bit different so have to be careful - at least early on. I am enjoying it quite a lot.
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I heard that changes when playing Yasuke. and he is an unstoppable tank even on harder difficulties
 
usually when there are 2 main protagonists that you can switch between, one is always the canon one...with Far Cry 6 female Dani was considered canon, with Odyssey Kassandra is canon...I wonder who's canon in AC: Shadows
 
polonyc2 said:
usually when there are 2 main protagonists that you can switch between, one is always the canon one...with Far Cry 6 female Dani was considered canon, with Odyssey Kassandra is canon...I wonder who's canon in AC: Shadows
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Jacob and Evie Frye are dual protags and they are both canon. It's not like Deimos and Eivor, they both exist simultaneously.
Shadows has a canon-mode which removes all player quest choices, so whatever happens to Naoe and Yasuke in that mode is your answer.
 
polonyc2 said:
I didn't know that...interesting
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Yeah my buddy who is a HUGE fan, had all of us choices show up with all the previous games. impressive.

The Graphics are damn good if you ask me. Looks really good at 4k!....
 
Decko87 said:
This is the biggest issue with modern games. Too much money has to be spent on graphics engineering and artists, the gameplay engineering and design suffers as a result.
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I'd rather have shorter games with better gameplay than massive, but dead empty worlds. 20-30 hours is plenty for most genres. A lot of times when I do go back to replay a larger game I am just reminded how many hours are lame and just get in the way of the more interesting bits. Less artists, more time designing better maps/levels and better gameplay.
 
Flogger23m said:
I'd rather have shorter games with better gameplay than massive, but dead empty worlds. 20-30 hours is plenty for most genres. A lot of times when I do go back to replay a larger game I am just reminded how many hours are lame and just get in the way of the more interesting bits. Less artists, more time designing better maps/levels and better gameplay.
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I completely agree, this sentiment is against you though. If people hear a game is 20 hours long and its 70 dollars they're less likely to buy it IMO. People want "value" from their games so if they're short they tend to buy them less. I'd rather spend 70 dollars on phenomenal 10 hours experience than a 100+ hour slog but I think we're in the minority. Give me F.E.A.R. 4 with great AI with just a singleplayer campaign over this any day. Only GTA 6 will hit the mark on all aspects because the game costs over a billion dollars to make.
 
Crazy, goes to show you that the 7900XTX can really use ray tracing I guess when it isn't heavily favored for Nvidia?
 
The AC games have always favored AMD. Not exactly sure why, but it’s not surprising.
 
Brackle said:
Crazy, goes to show you that the 7900XTX can really use ray tracing I guess when it isn't heavily favored for Nvidia?
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Pretty sure this game is only raytraced in the hideout home base per what ubisoft said prelaunch, and even then only with low rt demands. We already knew the 7900XTX could handle raster and light raytracing scenarios.

Mchart said:
The AC games have always favored AMD. Not exactly sure why, but it’s not surprising.
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This too.
 
Mchart said:
The AC games have always favored AMD. Not exactly sure why, but it’s not surprising.
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Shocking as this game was pushing DLSS4 with the new framegen for the 5000 series. You would think it would favor Nvidia.

Crazy times we live in.
 
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