Assassin's Creed Shadows

Im surprised with no online requirement, i expected it to say something like 'in order to bring this vast world to life and give best user experience, an online connection is required, even if you don't buy the game' :ROFLMAO:
 
Newbie_52 said:
Im surprised with no online requirement, i expected it to say something like 'in order to bring this vast world to life and give best user experience, an online connection is required, even if you don't buy the game' :ROFLMAO:
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Hasn't Ubisoft said exactly the above in the past though on another game, and it turned out to be a lie after somebody actually put it to the test and disconnected their internet to play the game?
 
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ahaha

Not that you were exactly subtle in the previous games. The assassin's choices in clothing were kind of the opposite of inconspicuous. By AC3 you were the dipshit with weird fashion sense standing there with like a giant bow, quiver, hatchet, knife, flintlock pistol, and a sword strapped to your person.

Like gee I wonder what dude in that group doesn't belong?
 
socK said:
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Not that you were exactly subtle in the previous games. The assassin's choices in clothing were kind of the opposite of inconspicuous. By AC3 you were the dipshit with weird fashion sense standing there with like a giant bow, quiver, hatchet, knife, flintlock pistol, and a sword strapped to your person.

Like gee I wonder what dude in that group doesn't belong?
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The typical assassin look really only worked super well in the first game. Even in 2, Ezio stood out like a sore thumb most of the time.

I’m glad the ninja in this has more stereotypical ninja gear (even though it’s not really that historically accurate either) vs the usual AC assassin gear.
 
I haven't played through an entire Assassins Creed game Since Brotherhood. Even Black Flag I quit eventually, but I do love Afro Samurai so now I'm at least somewhat intrigued but unless the gameplay is significantly different in some way I don't see myself buying it unless its a deep discount. I tried playing Odyssey most recently and got bored after a short period of time.
 
Ubisoft is the biggest "cultural warrior" in gaming. This should not be new to anyone. They even make EA look normal. You play Ubisoft games for their middling yet sort of fun gameplay but they never excel at anything. Making an intelligent or emotional plot is not something they do. Ubisoft is the king of big budget 5-7 / 10 games.
 
imsirovic5 said:
What were they thinking casting a non-Japanese Samurai, may as well have casted a redhead Scottish to play as Samurai - ridiculous. This will totally break my immersion in the game, thankfully there is Ghost of Tsushima which is probably 100x better game than typical Ubisoft formula anyway.
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ironically this is one of the tamer things in Assassin's Creed

you literally fist fight the pope in one of them to uncover that God actually lives in the basement of the fucking Vatican but they're actually a hyper-advanced alien who knows the future that some douchebag in a white sweatshirt is going to save the galaxy or some shit - also they created humanity but then somehow lost a war to a zerg of cavemen
 
Hershy said:
Someone said it earlier… what if the setting had been Africa and the chosen protagonist had been Japanese?
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IMO, what if's like that aren't made in good faith. Are basically a strawman to try and drum up controversy. And are rooted in dated socio-political ideas.

Fact is "Yasuke" was a real black man, whom served under a Samurai lord. I don't know the full history and particulars. It seems some people dispute over whether or not Yasuke himself was actually a skilled samurai or simply little more than a kind of servant.

However, the particulars don't matter. As this game is essentially a fanfic, alternate history, and complete fiction, combined. Much like Shogun's Blackthorn character.

And Yasuke as a fictionalized character, has already been featured in a lot of Japanese Manga.
Similarly, lots of important Japanese Samurai lords have been represented in many fictional ways over the years. Including gender swapped as Women or as anthropomorphic animals.

Most people engaged in modern nerd culture (gaming, comics, animation, etc) have fun with this stuff.

There is still plenty to be careful about. But it's not really to do with simply featuring a black person as a Samurai. Rather, about resisting portrayals which are classicly reductive and culturally problematic.
 
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I don't remember that many people complaining about this game.

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Fact is "Yasuke" was a real black man, whom served under a Samurai lord. I don't know the full history and particulars. It seems some people dispute over whether or not Yasuke himself was actually a skilled samurai or simply little more than a kind of servant.
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yes he existed but the written accounts state he came to japan as a slave, and was Oda's servant/pet/curiosity/pack mule, he was never a samurai, never given land etc etc and was sold back into slavery in less than 2 years.

CAD4466HK said:
I don't remember that many people complaining about this game.

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totally different premise and afaik, completely fictional.
 
People are capable of recognizing satire/parody. It's the "Blazing Saddles" "Tropic Thunder" argument.
 
pendragon1 said:
yes he existed but the written accounts state he came to japan as a slave, and was Oda's servant/pet/curiosity/pack mule, he was never a samurai, never given land etc etc and was sold back into slavery in less than 2 years.


totally different premise and afaik, completely fictional.
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I only used the Afro Samurai game because I know the manga creator used Yasuke as inspiration for the character.

Okazaki started drawing African-American characters on items like Kleenex boxes when he was a teenager, inspired by his fondness for hip hop and soul music. He also drew ideas from American media and their depiction of Japanese culture.[4] He started combining elements of samurai into his work, eventually developing the design for Afro, which was also based in the legendary black samurai Yasuke who existed during the Sengoku period of Japan.
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pendragon1 said:
yes he existed but the written accounts state he came to japan as a slave, and was Oda's servant/pet/curiosity/pack mule, he was never a samurai, never given land etc etc and was sold back into slavery in less than 2 years.
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There's no real consensus on whether or not he was a slave by the time he came to Japan. Most likely, he was free by then as he was hired to be a bodyguard to missionaries as the Jesuit's were not allowed to carry weapons. There is also no proof that he was ever a slave after Nobunaga's death. Outside of some record of him possibly being escorted to a group of Jesuit missionaries following the death, there's really no record of him following that period.

You know, I'll give Ubisoft some credit here. Regardless of how the game comes out, this whole thing has certainly made me interested in learning more about Yasuke and, by extension, the politics of that time period of Japan.
 
so it should be easy to post the source...
CAD4466HK said:
It's a known fact, not just on wiki. I remember them talking about it in the 90's when it came out.
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also, google says thats just a claim. if there is a source quoting the author saying so....
 
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Derangel said:
There's no real consensus on whether or not he was a slave by the time he came to Japan. Most likely, he was free by then as he was hired to be a bodyguard to missionaries as the Jesuit's were not allowed to carry weapons. There is also no proof that he was ever a slave after Nobunaga's death. Outside of some record of him possibly being escorted to a group of Jesuit missionaries following the death, there's really no record of him following that period.

You know, I'll give Ubisoft some credit here. Regardless of how the game comes out, this whole thing has certainly made me interested in learning more about Yasuke and, by extension, the politics of that time period of Japan.
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it was written, dont remember the name, its in one of the videos ive posted in the get woke thread.
 
pendragon1 said:
so it should be easy to post the source...

also, google says thats jsut a claim. if there is a source quoting the author saying so....
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Being as it was around 99, 2000, I had many friends that were into bootleg jap manga and Afro was the talk of the town, and was the first time that I had ever heard of Yasuke.
I was taken back because I had never heard such a thing about a black samurai.

I have heard it from other sources as well when the anime came out, but you want it from the horses mouth or it didn't happen so the only things i could find are a couple of articles claiming it is so.
I even watched a 15y old Youtube vid to see if he mentioned it or not (he didn't).

Some of these sites have no credibility at all, but it is interesting that so many people have it wrong if it is bullshit, fud I guess?

https://www.aaihs.org/the-significance-of-yasuke-the-black-samurai/
Even before this latest Netflix project, Japanese cartoonist Takashi Okazaki had already developed a Yasuke-inspired character for his Afro Samurai manga and anime series
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...eed-red-s-new-samurai-protagonist/ar-AA1jECUT
As a singularly captivating figure, Yasuke has inspired countless works of popular culture. He first featured as the protagonist of the Japanese children's book Kuro-suke, by Kurusu Yoshio. Later, the manga (and anime adaptation of) Afro Samurai took inspiration from Yasuke's life.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/19/asia/black-samurai-yasuke-africa-japan-intl/index.html
Today, Yasuke’s legacy as the world’s first African samurai is well known in Japan, spawning everything from prize-winning children’s books to a manga series titled “Afro Samurai.”
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https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/yasuke-review-netflix-anime/
Both historical and legendary, Yasuke had nary a chance to grace onscreen media, although he allegedly inspired the protagonist of the densely shaded neo-noir Afro Samurai manga-based anime.
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There were more but I had my drink on and yeah.....
 
AVATARAT said:
This one probably will become Assassin's Creed (Ubisoft wallet on) Red :D
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Ubisoft’s writing has been bad for a while now, I doubt those folks will make it much worse. I imagine sales are going to come heavily down to how sick of AC people are and if Ubi can convince the average consumer that it’s worth looking at. The Japan setting isn’t super unique anymore for this kind of game, so they’re going to have to do more than show off a nice looking CG trailer and promise some, potentially, interesting stealth changes I’d think.
 
Some immersion killing and absurd choices.

I hope it's a good game for all that but I'm getting to the point I'm just going to vote with my wallet. I'm tired of this crap ruining everything.

Play Ghosts of Tshushima f you want to see this done right. It's not like this game will be as good or better than that anyway.

Blade-Runner: Your post makes me not want to buy this game even if it ends up being GOTY.
 
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Blade-Runner said:
Game just got Sweet Baby Inc'ed....

https://x.com/EndymionYT/status/1792333747481883122

I am shocked. And LoL at the diversity of all the middle aged western cat ladies working on this game!
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Ubisoft doesn't need Sweet Baby. They literally have been doing the same thing in house for 15+ years. No need to get your pitchforks out, this is an Ubisoft game.

Derangel said:
Ubisoft’s writing has been bad for a while now, I doubt those folks will make it much worse.
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Absolutely. The last Ubisoft games I can think of that had more than a bare-bones plot would be Assassin's Creed Unity.

Derangel said:
I imagine sales are going to come heavily down to how sick of AC people are and if Ubi can convince the average consumer that it’s worth looking at. The Japan setting isn’t super unique anymore for this kind of game, so they’re going to have to do more than show off a nice looking CG trailer and promise some, potentially, interesting stealth changes I’d think.
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Also this. And it isn't just Assassin's Creed. Every single player Ubisoft plays almost exactly the same. Which happens to be the same template for the average, AA and AAA generic open world game. If Ubisoft started making things like Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory again they would have a bit more diversity of gameplay. But I don't quite think they have the talent onboard anymore to make something design around fine tuned gameplay. Or map designers that can make a nice looking map that is designed for multiple specific gameplay options while designing NPCs and whatnot to work around that. It is easier to make a giant map and make basic gameplay, and then place a few props and NPCs in a slightly different pattern, make 30-40 of them, and tie character progression/unlocks around liberating these "camps".
 
Q-BZ said:
Some immersion killing and absurd choices.

I hope it's a good game for all that but I'm getting to the point I'm just going to vote with my wallet. I'm tired of this crap ruining everything.

Play Ghosts of Tshushima f you want to see this done right. It's not like this game will be as good or better than that anyway.

Blade-Runner: Your post makes me not want to buy this game even if it ends up being GOTY.
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So, what exactly is the line here, like where is it drawn immersion wise? Because in Assassin's Creed we have:
  • Literal magic artifacts that they use as a MacGuffin constantly
  • Alternative history involving the crusades and numerous other historical figures - Ben fucking Franklin in one of them invents the grenade launcher
  • The hyper-advanced predecessor to humankind living under the Vatican who tells you the future after you punch the pope
  • The lost city of Atlantis is real according to the newer titles, and so are mythological creatures
  • World War 2 was actually a knights templar scheme
  • 500 other random bits of goofiness

The entire series is bonkers story wise and actual history is but the slightest suggestion.

Please explain to me how we're just now jumping the shark
 
socK said:
So, what exactly is the line here, like where is it drawn immersion wise? Because in Assassin's Creed we have:
  • Literal magic artifacts that they use as a MacGuffin constantly
  • Alternative history involving the crusades and numerous other historical figures - Ben fucking Franklin in one of them invents the grenade launcher
  • The hyper-advanced predecessor to humankind living under the Vatican who tells you the future after you punch the pope
  • The lost city of Atlantis is real according to the newer titles, and so are mythological creatures
  • World War 2 was actually a knights templar scheme
  • 500 other random bits of goofiness

The entire series is bonkers story wise and actual history is but the slightest suggestion.

Please explain to me how we're just now jumping the shark
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LOL I really can't disagree with any of this.
 
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