temped to buy but there should be more of these mini led monitors coming?
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I don't think there will be anything worthwhile for some time, mini LED monitors have been moving painfully slow. The 2 main options in the 32" size either use the 576 zone AmLED panel like the Acer X32FP and Asus PG32UQXR, or this 1152 zone open cell panel in the 32M2V. I already tried the X32FP and while it's great when it works, the price of $1499 is just way overpriced compared to $850 for the InnoCN. Brand new mini LED panels aren't due for a while if we go off the latest panel roadmaps from TFTCentral so I'm just going to have the 32M2V hold me over until then.
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Hope. Hope that there will be a return of the AUO VAs of 6 years ago. No reviews on it yet, so no way to know.
I would take a great flat VA over mini-LED at the current tech level. Plus the warranty and durability of those InnoCNs...
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That remains to be seen. And it's not like big brands like Asus/Acer/Samsung haven't had issues with build quality and warranty nightmares either.
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So I just picked up an Acer X32FP and it seems so much darker in HDR than other monitors (including the LG 32GQ950 and Corsair 32UHD144), especially when local dimming is enabled. I’ve tried so many settings and can’t figure it out. I like the monitor overall but it seems like it isn’t following HDR brightness correctly. Anyone else experiencing this?
I could make changes in the Nvidia control panel but this doesn’t help other devices. I can’t figure out why it is so dark.
Came here to basically write just this but you beat me to it. But not only in HDR, even in SDR I find it lackluster to the point where I originally thought it might even be broken. Add to this surprisingly bad viewing angles and a quite aggressive anti reflection coating and I am already considering returning it. Compared to my X27, I have a hard time convining myself that the X32FP is actually somewhat like 5 years newer. Even compared to my Acer XB273K, which I used as a second monitor to the X27, I find it hard to imagine that the X32FP is supposed to be superior. And this is even with the local dimming totally disabled while on the X27 it is enabled. Unless there is something we both are missing here, this is going back ASAP.
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It should be said that this reminds me quite a bit of the Neo G9 and it's problem with brightness / HDR initially. In Auto HDR mode, there is definitely something not working as it should at least in my setup.
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I noticed there is a firmware available that I doubt is installed on mine as I believe it has been in stock at the retailer. Not sure where you can see the firmware version as it does not seem to be listed under the Information in the OSD?
https://www.acer.com/us-en/support?search=X32FP&filter=global_download&suggest=x32;0
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The included manual in the download does have "X32 FP_USB FW upgrade SOP_acer_20221130" as the filename, indicating that it might be installed after all.
https://www.acer.com/us-en/support?search=X32FP&filter=global_download&suggest=x32;0
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The included manual in the download does have "X32 FP_USB FW upgrade SOP_acer_20221130" as the filename, indicating that it might be installed after all.
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Are you guys in Europe? I feel like there's some variation in firmware based on where the monitor was purchased. Mine was bought in the US and everything worked as intended without firmware issues, I just set the monitor to HDR picture mode, enabled Windows HDR, and set the local dimming speed to Average and all worked fine.
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I went through all of this a week or so ago now.
Here are my settings:
Monitor OSD: Brightness set to 100, HDR enabled, Adaptive dimming set to Low.
Windows HDR enabled, Windows HDR brightness set to max.
Nvidia Control Panel > Display > Adjust desktop color settings: Brightness: 70-80%, Contrast: 70-80%, Gamma: 1, Digital Vibrance: 60% (this sometimes varies depending on the application).
Once all this was set the X32fp looked like upgrade its supposed to be, compared to the X27.
There is definitely something off with the brightness/HDR here. If I try the Windows HDR calibration tool
https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/windows-hdr-calibration/9N7F2SM5D1LR?hl=en-us&gl=us
in some of the steps, the whites are so bright I have to look away, so the screen can definitely provide much better brightness than what I am seeing in Windows Desktop HDR. This reminds me so much of the Neo G9 fiasco.
The only way it seems I can get a bright enough desktop experience is to disable Auto HDR in W11 and, ironically, enable the HDR on the X32FP. Have not tried any games though yet. There is definitly a lot of potential in this monitor as shown in the HDR Calibration app, its just a matter of actually getting it as well.
https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/windows-hdr-calibration/9N7F2SM5D1LR?hl=en-us&gl=us
in some of the steps, the whites are so bright I have to look away, so the screen can definitely provide much better brightness than what I am seeing in Windows Desktop HDR. This reminds me so much of the Neo G9 fiasco.
The only way it seems I can get a bright enough desktop experience is to disable Auto HDR in W11 and, ironically, enable the HDR on the X32FP. Have not tried any games though yet. There is definitly a lot of potential in this monitor as shown in the HDR Calibration app, its just a matter of actually getting it as well.
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It works, but side by side next to the 32GQ950 and 32UHD144 it looks darker in HDR. I’ve tried several HDR games and the same scenes appear darker on the X32FP. Peaks are definitely brighter, but the game overall looks darker than any other monitor I’ve tried. The desktop is MUCH darker.
My understanding is HDR follows a brightness line (I think known as EOTF tracking), so if it deviates it might under illuminate some scenes and/over illuminate others. Maybe that’s what’s happening?
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I tried to upgrade the firmware on the X32FP following Acer’s instructions but nothing happened. I don’t know if that’s means it already had the latest firmware or if I’m doing something wrong. Has anyone successfully done a firmware update?
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32GQ950 highlight is over-boosted. Acer probably did the same before.
In the below test scene, 32GQ950 has a 1056nits sun. I usually say it is a 1,000nits sun but if you calculate the graph of luminance level it shows the sun is 890nits. So 32GQ950 shows 166nits higher than required which makes the content pop more.
After several updates, X32FP has tuned down the brightness level. Don't know if it is a matter of accuracy but you can blame Acer for this.
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I’ll take a look again but the highlights don’t seem to be the issue. In fact highlights seem ok, it’s the rest of the content that seems dark when HDR is enabled. In a game in HDR the X32FP is generally darker in average scenes and it is very noticeable in menus in HDR games. This is compared to both the LG and Corsair monitor which seem to track the mid-brightness better. I can’t say for certain if it is more accurate or not, but the X32FP is much darker in non-highlighted HDR than other monitors I’ve tried.
You can also see the brightness, even in highlights, drop as you turn on local dimming. The color temperature changes noticeably too when local dimming is turned on.
You can also see the brightness, even in highlights, drop as you turn on local dimming. The color temperature changes noticeably too when local dimming is turned on.
I have it and I've experienced it (described few pages earlier).
- from my experience in some application/games it doesn't follow EOTF tracking as well as monitors with G-Sync module like X27, paper white is just darker, I will not argue about which one is the proper one, it's just on X27 everything looked good straight out of the box
- its dimming mechanism is again - worse than in X27 (again, controlled by G-Sync module), dimming whole screen and basically unuseable on desktop for me (flickering and changing white point/color temperature when switching between bright and dark tabs in the browser for example)
Applications/games that work mostly correctly and set you in awe: Overwatch, Youtube on Chromium
Games that doesn't: Witcher 3 (you can circumvent this by setting paper white to 500+ in config file though), COD MW2
I also set "dark boost" to 4 lowering it from 5.
I only decided to keep it after Acer refunded me around 200EUR off the purchase (I bought it straight from Acer, they had the lowest price already that could be lowered even more by the "first time buy discount", it was already back in the box ready to be returned).
It is still better in my opinion than X27 when it works (brighter, punchier, larger, 160Hz with DSC).
The OSD/firmware is full of bugs (still after the update to version 10 from January).
Some links for you to enjoy:
https://hardforum.com/threads/the-3...s-started-wait-for-it.2002618/post-1045569682 (and several posts below)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/c.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (and the whole thread as well)
Put the MERGE.BIN on the usb stick formatted to FAT32 (in my case), put the stick into the USB port in the monitor (the farthest left one), remove the power cable from the monitor, wait for 5 seconds, put the cable back, it will start the upgrade.
Upgrading the firmware doesn't have any safeguards though, you can easily flash it with the same firmware many times or flash it with the previous one, or whatever.
Also after the upgrade is done first time it will be switched on it will display the service menu, just close it down (firmware upgrade seems to reset the working hours counter btw., as I said, full of bugs)
- from my experience in some application/games it doesn't follow EOTF tracking as well as monitors with G-Sync module like X27, paper white is just darker, I will not argue about which one is the proper one, it's just on X27 everything looked good straight out of the box
- its dimming mechanism is again - worse than in X27 (again, controlled by G-Sync module), dimming whole screen and basically unuseable on desktop for me (flickering and changing white point/color temperature when switching between bright and dark tabs in the browser for example)
Applications/games that work mostly correctly and set you in awe: Overwatch, Youtube on Chromium
Games that doesn't: Witcher 3 (you can circumvent this by setting paper white to 500+ in config file though), COD MW2
I also set "dark boost" to 4 lowering it from 5.
I only decided to keep it after Acer refunded me around 200EUR off the purchase (I bought it straight from Acer, they had the lowest price already that could be lowered even more by the "first time buy discount", it was already back in the box ready to be returned).
It is still better in my opinion than X27 when it works (brighter, punchier, larger, 160Hz with DSC).
The OSD/firmware is full of bugs (still after the update to version 10 from January).
Some links for you to enjoy:
https://hardforum.com/threads/the-3...s-started-wait-for-it.2002618/post-1045569682 (and several posts below)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/c.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (and the whole thread as well)
Put the MERGE.BIN on the usb stick formatted to FAT32 (in my case), put the stick into the USB port in the monitor (the farthest left one), remove the power cable from the monitor, wait for 5 seconds, put the cable back, it will start the upgrade.
Upgrading the firmware doesn't have any safeguards though, you can easily flash it with the same firmware many times or flash it with the previous one, or whatever.
Also after the upgrade is done first time it will be switched on it will display the service menu, just close it down (firmware upgrade seems to reset the working hours counter btw., as I said, full of bugs)
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Very true, it's just a complete unknown atm. Also, they are super ugly.
Really, I just want a 4k 144hz version of my current PB328Q and I'd be happy for another 5 years. Why AUO didn't keep making these types of panels I'll never understand.
Has anyone had a chance to compare the X32FP with the Neo G7/G8? Rtings gave the G7 a surprisingly good result even for text etc, something that is usually not the case for VA panels and one of the main reasons for IPS. And since the viewing angles for the X32FP seems less than stellar...
I wouldn't say X32 has a particular big problem with viewing angles.
https://www.prad.de/testberichte/test-acer-predator-x32fp-gaming-mit-displayhdr-1000/3/#Blickwinkel
https://www.prad.de/testberichte/test-acer-predator-x32fp-gaming-mit-displayhdr-1000/3/#Blickwinkel
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You'll have to fill me in here, I'm not seeing what makes this monitor (PB328Q) so great? It looks like it's at least 7 years old and it's just a 75Hz edge lit VA panel with response times that are better than your typical VA panel but still sluggish overall. If that's what you absolutely want then I suppose the 32UQ750 ticks the boxes.
Everything is realative I guess, it is noticable worse than my X27, on the other hand it is also a bit larger. I guess having had an OLED on the desk for some time makes you kind of forget there even where a viewing angle problem. I believe it is probably the much more agressiv anti reflection filter on the X32 that is the main reason.
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I'd just be happy with solid basic requirements. This panel has exceptional viewing angles and uniformity for a VA and decent input lag. Mine has no bleed at all, and the pixel response can be mostly fixed in software.
Everything has a catch now, even the mini-led's fail at least one thing. The only reasons I want to upgrade are the refresh being 75Hz after using some 144+ monitors, and the PPI of 4K. It's been good for games, it's great for office and color work for the most part.
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Everything has always had a catch, whether it's back then or today all displays fail at least one thing, not just Mini LEDs. And unlike before there is no longer a massive price difference between edge lit and FALD LCDs. If you don't have any care for HDR content then yeah I can see the UQ750 being a viable choice since honestly the edge lit IPS options aren't any better and would just end up having issues of their own. But for roughly the same price now you can get mini LED options that will actually deliver a real HDR experience. Price has typically been the thing that kept people away from Mini LED monitors ($2000 Acer X27, $2500 Acer X35, and then $3000 Asus PG32UQX), not so much anymore so personally I would rather live with the faults of Mini LED but at least have a real HDR experience since the price difference is now more justifiable. But again if you don't care for that then that LG is worth a shot.
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I have not. I think it would be a good choice but the curve doesn’t work for me as I need the monitor for use cases where the curve would be too much. If I was mainly gaming I’d probably try it.
Anyone here used the Dell g3223q? Seems to be priced well for its specs. So far reviews seem to state its colour calibration right out of the box is impeccable.
I've been eyeing innoc3n 3m2v, acer x32fp and LG 32gq950. Or would you recommend these instead. No Samsung neo g7 as I hate curved panels
I've been eyeing innoc3n 3m2v, acer x32fp and LG 32gq950. Or would you recommend these instead. No Samsung neo g7 as I hate curved panels
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I see that the price of the Predator X32 FP has now gone down to $1099, so maybe it's more worth it now? I'm thinking of getting it. However, I had a Predator x27 and the fan on that thing turned out to be a real nightmare. Other people who have had the Predator x27 had the same fan issue as well; extremely loud noises after a good amount of usage. There is even a forum post here about that. ACER support is terrible. I called ACER and they said since it is out of warranty they can fix it for ~$1000, which is basically the price of a brand new monitor. I'm very hesitant on buying another ACER product.
Do you notice any fan noise on your Predator x32 FP or do you think it can be an issue later?
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I have not noticed fan noise yet on the X32FP, but I also didn’t hear it on the LG 32GQ950 unless I put my ear near it. I’m not very sensitive to fan noise.
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I tried the LG 32GQ950, but ran into issues with uniformity. It might have just been a few bad units though as I haven’t seen many complaints online. Other that I liked the monitor, it was probably one of the better edge-lit monitors I’ve tried. I would have kept it if not for the uniformity issues on the few units I tried.
I currently have an X32FP right now which I like, but I’m running into the issue some other people have seen where certain HDR scenes are a bit dark. Highlights are great, but when comparing the same scene in games to other monitors it looks like it under illuminates certain elements. I’m still trying to troubleshoot this.
I have considered the Dell G3223Q. If I can’t get the X32FP’s HDR working the way I like I might check the Dell out as it is much cheaper here. I know I’ll be losing out on true HDR, but I think the G3223Q would work well for everything else I do.
I wish there were more 32-inch mini-LED displays in the under $1500 space.
I have fan issue with X27, will replace it sooner or later, for now I just keep it on steady rpm set in the service menu which fixes the issue for me (bought the spare fan kit anyway).
I don't believe X32 has a fan, there's absolutely nothing that suggests it has one. No noise, no changing rpms, no trace of it in its service menu.
Thanks for your insights. I'm still waiting for positive reviews from updated firmware on the x32fp since it has everything that I want. But the continued complaints about the monitor is not giving me much confidence on whether the firmware updates are going to fix the issue. The G3223Q provides me with nearly everything except the HDR and it only costs $670 where I'm from..and it's cheaper than the LG 32GQ950. If only the LG had more local dimming zones. Would have been a straight buy
If only there's a 32 inch 4k mini led monitor that is working fine. Innocn 32m2v seems to have some response issue when the monitor goes to sleep
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A dude on reddit ordered one, so we should see what is what very soon.
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The wake from sleep issue only affects HDMI. Use DP instead. I have one coming in tomorrow so I'll be testing that myself but so far everyone who's switched from HDMI to DP has not had the sleep issue anymore.
This has probably already been posted here I guess but for anyone that missed it, a german review of the X32FP (via Google Translate)
https://www-prad-de.translate.goog/...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www-prad-de.translate.goog/...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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InnoCN 32M2V.
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There is already KTC M32P10 on the surface. It has similar specs to the recent third party 1152-zone miniLED HDR1000 backlight combined with either faster 1ms native 8bit or 4ms native 10bit opencells at a price range of $800.
Since the monitors of CoolerMaster are made by KTC. You can expect the release of CoolerMaster 32" GP32U. But KTC is never known for quality but for price.
Since the monitors of CoolerMaster are made by KTC. You can expect the release of CoolerMaster 32" GP32U. But KTC is never known for quality but for price.
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I’d really like to see someone test the X32FP and see if it tracks the EOTF brightness (like Rtings does). I’m very curious.
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As for now X32FP doesn't track. It seems Acer just lowers the brightness.
https://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=60030&snA=614382
In that page, the guy's X32FP is only accurate after VCGT calibration on the icc profile for just brightness. You can see from VCGT correction that the brightness needs to be adjusted higher.
Only after that the EOTF is tracked accurately. He didn't even bother to test the original EOTF.
As said in the page, X32FP disadvantage is caused by the RD of Acer if Acer actually does RD all this time.
Okays thanks I maybe can consider this then. I'll see if there's any sales. Just a question is the hdmi 2.1 48gbps or 24?
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I recently purchased the X32 FP while it was on sale and am debating whether to keep it or not. I don't have too much knowledge or experience with monitors, and this is probably the most expensive monitor I've ever purchased.
One of the things I'm curious about is if there are issues with overshoot, blur, or response times that could sour the experience of fast paced games like cod.
Also curious if the firmware issues I keep hearing about would make this a pain to use as a 50/50 work & play monitor.
One of the things I'm curious about is if there are issues with overshoot, blur, or response times that could sour the experience of fast paced games like cod.
Also curious if the firmware issues I keep hearing about would make this a pain to use as a 50/50 work & play monitor.
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Should be 48 otherwise it would not be able to support 4k 144Hz 10bit. It's already on sale for $850 currently vs msrp of $999.
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I don’t have way to test blur and overshoot, but overshoot is very obvious to me at highest overdrive setting. I need to do more testing with it set to off and normal. I’m still a little confused if it locks the overdrive to normal when VRR is on. The UI shows it locked, but I don’t recall the overshoot being terrible.
I’m also trying to use this monitor for multiple things, and with all the firmware bugs let alone the dark HDR I am not sure I’ll keep it. But I want to give it an honest try first. The firmware is weird. I have to figure out how annoying it will be swapping between settings.