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Can DSC support 144Hz at 10bit on a 24gbps HDMI port?Should be 48 otherwise it would not be able to support 4k 144Hz 10bit. It's already on sale for $850 currently vs msrp of $999.
Can DSC support 144Hz at 10bit on a 24gbps HDMI port?Should be 48 otherwise it would not be able to support 4k 144Hz 10bit. It's already on sale for $850 currently vs msrp of $999.
Can DSC support 144Hz at 10bit on a 24gbps HDMI port?
Absolutely. I was just curious. Having full bandwidth 48gpbs HDMI is clearly ideal.I believe so. But that would make using HDMI an even more moot point because the idea was to have 4k 144Hz 10bit without resorting to DSC that's why people were using HDMI instead of DP 1.4, but if you have to resort to DSC regardless than there's no longer any advantage to using HDMI.
Just got my Acer Predator X32 FP for $1100.
So I'm not a professional monitor reviewer but here is my review on it. Hopefully it helps some other folk who are thinking about getting this.
Right out the box, with it's default OSD settings, I noticed that everything is DARK. Maybe it was partially due to the settings from my old monitor, but I've heard other people who got this saying the same thing. I was wondering why it was like that compared to my predator x27, which is much more brighter. In order to unleash the potential of this monitor, you definitely need to make changes to the OSD / Nvidia Control Panel / Windows HDR color settings. I tried the settings that were taken from Ripspawn recent post and they work quite well, mines are similar.
In the Windows HD Color Settings, turn on HDR, and then move the HDR/SDR brightness balance to a higher level. I put mine to 75. Anything between 70 and 100 brings out the HDR quality of this monitor.
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In the Nvidia Control Panel settings, you need to toggle the brightness and contrast much higher than the default of 50%. I feel anything between 70-80% is good.
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These are the OSD settings I have.
- In the OSD, there is only one mode that is usable and brings out the brightness, that's the HDR mode. It will automatically make the brightness 100 in the OSD, and you can't change it. All the other presets like Action, Racing, Sports, etc can't even compare to the HDR mode. They all look so dim and washed out compared to the HDR mode.
- You can change the color space, and I chose HDR as well. The other color space settings like DCI, Standard, sRGB, Rec.709 are all dim and washed out. Even when I changed the brightness to be higher for those, it just couldn't compare to the HDR color space. Colors pop out.
- Then there's the Adaptive Dimming. Turning it Low or Off worked for me. The name of the setting says it all; turning it on will dim the monitor in certain situations and make it less bright/colorful. When it's off, there is no dimming at all.
- Then there's the Overdrive setting. I know that the "extreme" preset is not usable and is noticeable. It will hurt your eyes. It's hard to tell by visual inspection only the difference between "off" and "normal" presets.
All in all, after I changed the settings, it brought out the fine qualities of the monitor. The HDR experience of the monitor is great; on par with the Predator x27 and likely surpassing it. This thing can get REAL bright. Looking at some 4K HDR videos from YouTube is a very good experience. The monitor has a very wide color gamut, displaying various colors beautifully. Text and static high resolution images are very detailed & clear so no issues there for me. I also tried gaming (Dying Light 2, Far Cry 6), and the image quality is good. However, my eyes started to strain a tiny bit after a while, I did have it at 160 hz using DisplayPort with G-Sync compatibility on in the control panel. Maybe this requires more fiddling around in the settings. There is fan in the back of the monitor, you need to go very close to it to hear it, but it's extremely faint. Hopefully no issues later on with that like the x27 which has a loud G-Sync fan. In the end I think this is a very good HDR panel. Though it is not the best out there (i.e. compared to OLED), I give a solid 8 out of 10.
Here are some pictures I took with my phone. Honestly I feel these images definitely do not show the HDR experience as compared to when you are right in front of the screen. It's wayyy better in person.
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If I remember correctly you've tried both the Predator X32 and the 32M2V right? Did you notice any significant differences between them? Specwise, both seem very similar, 32 inch 4K HDR1000 Panels.Yeah these new mini LED monitors require some fiddling in order to get looking proper. Even my 32M2V will look completely wrong in HDR unless you switch the settings in an exact order lol. Honestly it is WAY too much hassle to switch back and fourth between SDR and HDR on these monitors, one misstep and the whole picture will look completely wrong. You are far better off leaving it permanently in HDR mode at all times to avoid all the constant fiddling.
If I remember correctly you've tried both the Predator X32 and the 32M2V right? Did you notice any significant differences between them? Specwise, both seem very similar, 32 inch 4K HDR1000 Panels.
Good to know that info. I was actually looking into the InnoCN but then there were very few reviews and i never even heard of this manufacturer. But for that price of $850 i knew something had to be different to make it cheaper. So i decided against it. Yeah, the $400 price difference now and the 3 year warranty seemed to me like a decent sweet spot. The InnoCN warranty of only year 1 would definitely worry me. Your comment about better Mini LEDs being better in 2 years is a legit point.. I think that applies across alot of electronics these days. There's always something bigger and better later on.. making the stuff you own obsolete.Biggest thing is that the X32FP is has faster response times by a mile. I don't really care for that too much anymore though since...
1. It's not like either of them are going to be anywhere near my 120Hz BFI OLED when it comes to motion clarity.
2. The only kind of HDR games I'm playing these days are slow paced ones like the new Plague Tale and Hogwart's Legacy so the response times of the InnoCN are more than sufficient for those kind of games.
The overall brightness in HDR felt pretty similar between the two but one thing I noticed and others have as well is that the InnoCN really tries it's absolute hardest to mitigate blooming, which means small highlights are dimmed quite a lot more vs the X32FP, the PG32UQX will actually push small highlights to 1400+ nits which is why it has a crazy amount of blooming. So think of the X32FP as a middle ground between the Asus and InnoCN when it comes to highlights, doesn't dim it as much as InnoCN but also doesn't drive it as bright as the Asus. I can even see the InnoCN's dimming behavior on the desktop where my mouse cursor or icon that is against a black background will be dimmed significantly, someone else noticed this as well. As much as I hate blooming, I do wish the highlights on the InnoCN had more punch to them. I would say the X32FP does better here since the blooming is still better than the X27/PG32UQX while delivering brighter highlights than the 32M2V. Honestly now that the X32FP has dropped by $400 the price difference between the 32M2V and X32FP is only $250, $850 for the InnoCN vs $1100 for the Acer so that actually makes me tempted to return the InnoCN and buy another X32FP for the better warranty of 3 years vs 1 year(?), 160Hz + faster response times, and brighter highlight detail. On the other hand I feel like newer and better Mini LED panels will be out in 2 years time around 2025 so I wouldn't be using either one for long anyways so might as well just stick with the cheaper option and then upgrade again after 2 years. If you are looking to keep your display for a long time though, definitely stick with the X32FP as the warranty alone already makes it worth the extra price, 1 year is simply too damn short.
Good to know that info. I was actually looking into the InnoCN but then there were very few reviews and i never even heard of this manufacturer. But for that price of $850 i knew something had to be different to make it cheaper. So i decided against it. Yeah, the $400 price difference now and the 3 year warranty seemed to me like a decent sweet spot. The InnoCN warranty of only year 1 would definitely worry me. Your comment about better Mini LEDs being better in 2 years is a legit point.. I think that applies across alot of electronics these days. There's always something bigger and better later on.. making the stuff you own obsolete.
Just got my Acer Predator X32 FP for $1100.
So I'm not a professional monitor reviewer but here is my review on it. Hopefully it helps some other folk who are thinking about getting this.
Right out the box, with it's default OSD settings, I noticed that everything is DARK. Maybe it was partially due to the settings from my old monitor, but I've heard other people who got this saying the same thing. I was wondering why it was like that compared to my predator x27, which is much more brighter. In order to unleash the potential of this monitor, you definitely need to make changes to the OSD / Nvidia Control Panel / Windows HDR color settings. I tried the settings that were taken from Ripspawn recent post and they work quite well, mines are similar.
In the Windows HD Color Settings, turn on HDR, and then move the HDR/SDR brightness balance to a higher level. I put mine to 75. Anything between 70 and 100 brings out the HDR quality of this monitor.
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In the Nvidia Control Panel settings, you need to toggle the brightness and contrast much higher than the default of 50%. I feel anything between 70-80% is good.
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These are the OSD settings I have.
- In the OSD, there is only one mode that is usable and brings out the brightness, that's the HDR mode. It will automatically make the brightness 100 in the OSD, and you can't change it. All the other presets like Action, Racing, Sports, etc can't even compare to the HDR mode. They all look so dim and washed out compared to the HDR mode.
- You can change the color space, and I chose HDR as well. The other color space settings like DCI, Standard, sRGB, Rec.709 are all dim and washed out. Even when I changed the brightness to be higher for those, it just couldn't compare to the HDR color space. Colors pop out.
- Then there's the Adaptive Dimming. Turning it Low or Off worked for me. The name of the setting says it all; turning it on will dim the monitor in certain situations and make it less bright/colorful. When it's off, there is no dimming at all.
- Then there's the Overdrive setting. I know that the "extreme" preset is not usable and is noticeable. It will hurt your eyes. It's hard to tell by visual inspection only the difference between "off" and "normal" presets.
All in all, after I changed the settings, it brought out the fine qualities of the monitor. The HDR experience of the monitor is great; on par with the Predator x27 and likely surpassing it. This thing can get REAL bright. Looking at some 4K HDR videos from YouTube is a very good experience. The monitor has a very wide color gamut, displaying various colors beautifully. Text and static high resolution images are very detailed & clear so no issues there for me. I also tried gaming (Dying Light 2, Far Cry 6), and the image quality is good. However, my eyes started to strain a tiny bit after a while, I did have it at 160 hz using DisplayPort with G-Sync compatibility on in the control panel. Maybe this requires more fiddling around in the settings. There is fan in the back of the monitor, you need to go very close to it to hear it, but it's extremely faint. Hopefully no issues later on with that like the x27 which has a loud G-Sync fan. In the end I think this is a very good HDR panel. Though it is not the best out there (i.e. compared to OLED), I give a solid 8 out of 10.
Here are some pictures I took with my phone. Honestly I feel these images definitely do not show the HDR experience as compared to when you are right in front of the screen. It's wayyy better in person.
Thans for a nice summary/review. Not sure if there might be regional differences here (I am in the EU), but at least in my OSD there is a "enable max brightness" setting that is a definite must to disable at first. I think it has to do with power consumption regulations that it needs to be there default and enabled.
Just got my Acer Predator X32 FP for $1100.
So I'm not a professional monitor reviewer but here is my review on it. Hopefully it helps some other folk who are thinking about getting this.
Right out the box, with it's default OSD settings, I noticed that everything is DARK. Maybe it was partially due to the settings from my old monitor, but I've heard other people who got this saying the same thing. I was wondering why it was like that compared to my predator x27, which is much more brighter. In order to unleash the potential of this monitor, you definitely need to make changes to the OSD / Nvidia Control Panel / Windows HDR color settings. I tried the settings that were taken from Ripspawn recent post and they work quite well, mines are similar.
In the Windows HD Color Settings, turn on HDR, and then move the HDR/SDR brightness balance to a higher level. I put mine to 75. Anything between 70 and 100 brings out the HDR quality of this monitor.
View attachment 551835
In the Nvidia Control Panel settings, you need to toggle the brightness and contrast much higher than the default of 50%. I feel anything between 70-80% is good.
View attachment 551839
These are the OSD settings I have.
- In the OSD, there is only one mode that is usable and brings out the brightness, that's the HDR mode. It will automatically make the brightness 100 in the OSD, and you can't change it. All the other presets like Action, Racing, Sports, etc can't even compare to the HDR mode. They all look so dim and washed out compared to the HDR mode.
- You can change the color space, and I chose HDR as well. The other color space settings like DCI, Standard, sRGB, Rec.709 are all dim and washed out. Even when I changed the brightness to be higher for those, it just couldn't compare to the HDR color space. Colors pop out.
- Then there's the Adaptive Dimming. Turning it Low or Off worked for me. The name of the setting says it all; turning it on will dim the monitor in certain situations and make it less bright/colorful. When it's off, there is no dimming at all.
- Then there's the Overdrive setting. I know that the "extreme" preset is not usable and is noticeable. It will hurt your eyes. It's hard to tell by visual inspection only the difference between "off" and "normal" presets.
All in all, after I changed the settings, it brought out the fine qualities of the monitor. The HDR experience of the monitor is great; on par with the Predator x27 and likely surpassing it. This thing can get REAL bright. Looking at some 4K HDR videos from YouTube is a very good experience. The monitor has a very wide color gamut, displaying various colors beautifully. Text and static high resolution images are very detailed & clear so no issues there for me. I also tried gaming (Dying Light 2, Far Cry 6), and the image quality is good. However, my eyes started to strain a tiny bit after a while, I did have it at 160 hz using DisplayPort with G-Sync compatibility on in the control panel. Maybe this requires more fiddling around in the settings. There is fan in the back of the monitor, you need to go very close to it to hear it, but it's extremely faint. Hopefully no issues later on with that like the x27 which has a loud G-Sync fan. In the end I think this is a very good HDR panel. Though it is not the best out there (i.e. compared to OLED), I give a solid 8 out of 10.
Here are some pictures I took with my phone. Honestly I feel these images definitely do not show the HDR experience as compared to when you are right in front of the screen. It's wayyy better in person.
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RGB controls in HDR mode were unlocked with firmware v10 from January ("3.Let user can set picture related parameter in HDR mode.").One thing that annoys me about both monitors is that color controls are completely locked out in HDR mode so unlike the X27 where you can still balance your whitepoint in HDR mode, you are completely assed out here with whatever state the monitor ships in. Luckily my 32M2V has a whitepoint closer to 6500k than my X32FP did. The blue tinting on my X32FP was super obvious with no way to fix it since the RGB controls are locked out. On my X32 the blue bar was past the middle arrows around 2.5-3 times the distance compared to my 32M2V.
RGB controls in HDR mode were unlocked with firmware v10 from January ("3.Let user can set picture related parameter in HDR mode.").
They still reset to default if you change modes again.
To be clear I meant X32Oh wow I'll check it out when I'm home. That's awesome thanks for the info. That would solidify my decision to keep the InnoCN over the Acer because that unfixable strong blue tint on the Acer was starting to get on my nerves. I'm not one to change modes as I just set everything once and leave it that way, no fiddling back and fourth between SDR and HDR settings. Probably why I had no issues with the X32FP.
To be clear I meant X32![]()
Considering how monitor pricing is; something with those specs will still probably be quite pricey even if it does come out in a few years?BAH looks like I might have to buy another X32FP. LOL nah j/k I'm honestly done going back and fourth, pretty sure something that's better than both the X32FP and 32M2V will be out in a few years so I'll just stick with the InnoCN for now and wait it out. I'll upgrade again when we get something with 2304+ local dimming zones, 1600+ nits of peak brightness, and 160Hz+ refresh rate with decently fast response times.
Considering how monitor pricing is; something with those specs will still probably be quite pricey even if it does come out in a few years?
Well yes and no. A 2304 local dimming monitor already exists: https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/phili...ni-led-backlight-and-thunderbolt-4-connection
Is it pricey? Yeah I guess but it's nowhere as bad as the PG32UQX. So now all it needs to do is a higher refresh rate and in a few years the price of a monitor using such a panel with a 144Hz+ refresh rate should be in the same price range or perhaps a few hundred more expensive. I wouldn't expect the price to suddenly triple just because it got a 144Hz refresh rate. And who knows maybe then we can count on InnoCN to once again to deliver the goods at a lower price lol.
One big downside of the X32 is the fact that you can't seem to save the setting for the local dimming for user settings. Or rather, this wouldn't be a problem if the local dimming didn't make the entire picture much dimmer when enabled, but that seem to be the case on the X32 compared to the X27.
Not exactly sure what your point is here in regards to my post but regardless, enabling local dimming seems to affect max brightness in a way that I would want it disabled for normal desktop usage. I also had problem getting any actual change after having used the HDR Calibration Tool, even though it could produce quite substantial peak brightness when using the actual tool. But so could the X27.I noticed that too but I don't think it actually affects HDR peak brightness, could be wrong though. I ran the Windows HDR Calibration Tool with local dimming set to Low, Average, and Fast and all the results for black level and peak brightness were exactly the same. You should probably try the same thing just to verify but for me the calibration tool yielded the exact same results no matter what the local dimming was set to even though adjusting the local dimming was definitely affecting the screen brightness in real time.
Not exactly sure what your point is here in regards to my post but regardless, enabling local dimming seems to affect max brightness in a way that I would want it disabled for normal desktop usage. I also had problem getting any actual change after having used the HDR Calibration Tool, even though it could produce quite substantial peak brightness when using the actual tool. But so could the X27.
Ah, ok, that would be nice. Did you also find a way to make Auto HDR work fine so even in desktop you can use HDR instead of SDR? The X32 certainly has lots of promise, if it only could deliver the total package.My point was that it doesn't seen to affect the peak HDR brightness?? If we're talking SDR max brightness yes you are correct I believe it definitely lowers that so I'm not arguing that fact. I'm just saying that HDR peak brightness is possibly unaffected by this
Ah, ok, that would be nice. Did you also find a way to make Auto HDR work fine so even in desktop you can use HDR instead of SDR? The X32 certainly has lots of promise, if it only could deliver the total package.
I’ve been using the X32FP for almost a week now. I plan to do a more in depth look at this week, but I’m still finding HDR too dark overall. I’m also a little concerned about the OSD. I may just go with a lower cost monitor for desktop tasks and get an OLED for HDR games. But I’ll try out the X32FP a bit more first, it will be great if I can get it to work as I do feel the panel has a lot of potential.Did some more comparisons and decided to also include my OLED C2 42". With regards to brightness, the X27 just wins, in both SDR and HDR. Maybe others have been more lucky but I am unable to find any setup in which the X32 is actually brighter or even close. And this is even with local dimming disabled. To make things worse, when comparing the X32 with the C2 running in touch mode (think Vivid + ASBL disabled), the OLED actually feels brighter as well or at least as bright. Different screen sizes and also glossy vs semi matte makes it a bit hard to compare and I don't have access to any equipment for measurements, but to my eyes, the C2 actually feels brighter. And of course with black levels that even the X27 can't come close to.
Considering the glossy coating and the almost perfect viewing angles, I actually feel that the C2 comes dangerously close even with regards to text quality etc to the X32, with the X27 being the clear winner. While the C2 is obviously larger with lower PPI, there is a crispness to OLEDs with glossy coating that no LCD without glossy coating can come close to (of course there are several disadvantages to glossy coating as well). It should be said that I am on my perhaps third or forth OLED on my desk, so I might have adjusted a bit as well.
I do feel that the hardware for the X32 probably has a lot more potential than the current firmware etc let's it show, but for obvious reasons, I can only compare what I actually see...and honestly, I am not impressed. The X27 was released in 2017 as I recall, although at a really steep price, but still.
(Of course, running an OLED in torch mode with ASBL disabled have it's risks as well, even though I have had no burn in for my last couple of OLEDs even though I probably deserved to have it, but that is probably a discussion for another topic).
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It should be said that I feel that the X32 has much less blooming/haloing than the X27 in my short comparision. It should also be said that I tend to run a lot of programs with dark mode/theme which gives the OLED somewhat of an unfair advantage compared to if you would be running Excel fullscreen or similar. Also, please remember that I am a brightness junkie, if your are not, things might change a lot in favor of the X32 (and of course the OLED as well).
If only there was a triple monitor stand that rotated, so you could move a side one to center for games and back easily.I’ve been using the X32FP for almost a week now. I plan to do a more in depth look at this week, but I’m still finding HDR too dark overall. I’m also a little concerned about the OSD. I may just go with a lower cost monitor for desktop tasks and get an OLED for HDR games. But I’ll try out the X32FP a bit more first, it will be great if I can get it to work as I do feel the panel has a lot of potential.
Nope. I have the x32 fp right now.. changing the local dimming doesn't reset the settings for me.For those who have had experience with the x32 fp, does turning local dimming on or off reset the settings too?
But why adjust brightness via nvidia panel? can't you do it in the monitor OSD?In the Nvidia Control Panel settings, you need to toggle the brightness and contrast much higher than the default of 50%. I feel anything between 70-80% is good.
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This is quite disappointing, why having a fan if there is no GSYNC module? Are you sure that it is a fan and that it isn't coil whine of some sort?There is fan in the back of the monitor, you need to go very close to it to hear it, but it's extremely faint. Hopefully no issues later on with that like the x27 which has a loud G-Sync fan.
Can you explain me this please? What do you mean that X32 isn't able to do local dimming and brightness?I would say black levels are about the same, with the big difference being that the X27 seem to be able to have local dimming and brightness at the same time, while for the X32 it is one or the other.
As @lukaav mentioned, there seem to be a problem, hopefully with the firmware, that makes the screen noticeable dimmer when local dimming is enabled. My X27 does not seem to exhibit this behavior. On the other hand, the X27 have noticeable more haloing so perhaps this is something that Acer did deliberately. If so, this monitor is a no go for me as there does not seem to be any way to save the setting for local dimming with the normal picture modes, which means I would have to adjust it manually every time when switching between desktop work and entertainment.Can you explain me this please? What do you mean that X32 isn't able to do local dimming and brightness?
Basically turning on local dimming in X32FP dims the whole monitor.
I do not know if it affects peak brightness but the "paper white" is definitely lower until you correct it either in game/app settings or ncp.
As @lukaav mentioned, there seem to be a problem, hopefully with the firmware, that makes the screen noticeable dimmer when local dimming is enabled. My X27 does not seem to exhibit this behavior. On the other hand, the X27 have noticeable more haloing so perhaps this is something that Acer did deliberately. If so, this monitor is a no go for me as there does not seem to be any way to save the setting for local dimming with the normal picture modes, which means I would have to adjust it manually every time when switching between desktop work and entertainment.
If you use HDR mode, you can't change the brightness in the OSD. It will set it to 100 and make in unchangeable. However, if you want to use the other modes, you can change in the OSD. To me, the only mode which utilizes the monitor's HDR capabilities is HDR mode so that's my default.But why adjust brightness via nvidia panel? can't you do it in the monitor OSD?
This is quite disappointing, why having a fan if there is no GSYNC module? Are you sure that it is a fan and that it isn't coil whine of some sort?