AMD and Nvidia Must Do More To Stop Shortages and Gouging

238452.jpg
 
I find it ironic how people think that you can outwit the free market. Lets go communist, maybe we can have the government issue GPU vouchers. Calm down people if crypto is a bubble it will pop, if not they will increase supply. I am sorry if you need to build now and can't, just buy a lower end gpu and hold out.
 
Susquehannock said:
They have been doing that for nearly a year now. "Mining Edition" cards with Samsung DRAM memory chips, no bling-bling, and no display ports. Seems to me manufacturers switching over portion of production to mining dedicated units is big reason we are seeing a shortage of gaming cards right now.
Click to expand...

No they haven't. Have you tried buying one of these? I have. You can't get them anywhere and they're more expensive than a standard 1060, which is what they are. Less warranty and less resale value. All they've done is take a 1060 and remove the display ports and charge a premium. They're a PR stunt, not a fix or a real product

These types of cards aren't why there's s shortage. I don't even think they exist in the wild in any serious numbers.
 
I'm wondering when Matrox, Sis or even Samsung will figure out there is a market for affordable GPUs that are good for modern games?
A third party stepping into the ring and saying "Fuck it, we'll aim for the gamer" is what the market needs. Some of the old GPU makers might be long in tooth but surely Samsung could pull something out of it's ass and literally corner the market.
 
As an Amazon Associate, HardForum may earn from qualifying purchases.
rgMekanic said:
I'd like to know where you're seeing those prices, yes the 1,300 was Ebay... as they are currently one of the least expensive.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B074DK6NHQ/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all
Click to expand...

Ahh note to self don't use Amazon or newegg.

The prices I listed above are from an online retailer in Canada and they are apparently not as greedy as those two American companies.

Here is another store



http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_1200_557_558&item_id=119036

$1,050 CAD = $845.179 USD

if any of you are actually looking for a card I would buy it in canada and ship it over will still be cheaper than that BS Amazon and new egg, ebay are trying to pull.
 
Last edited:
As an Amazon Associate, HardForum may earn from qualifying purchases.
zamardii12 said:
I guess I phrased it wrong. What I am saying is that all of a sudden 1080Ti GPUs are going for $1200+ but Crytocurrency has been around since 2009. Looking at the history of the worth of Bitcoin last year when I bought my 1080ti in May of last year the price of bitcoin was $2000 - $3000 but yet I could still buy my 1080ti for $700 from Newegg, and only the last month or two have I heard of a GPU shortage because of these Crypto farmers. So is it just because Bitcoins skyrocketed to over $10k that video-cards are selling out everywhere?
Click to expand...

That coupled with the increased difficulty which means more horsepower for the same returns
 
If AMD and NVIDIA are selling GPU's straight to the miners, they will both earn my dirty looks. I hope their IP gets ransomwared for 200,000 bit coin. (Wouldn't that be sweet irony)
 
Armenius said:
This. NVIDIA and AMD are not making anymore money from the inflated prices.
Click to expand...
Initially, no. But, we can expect future products to have increased in price probably due to this. If AMD and Nvidia were to increase prices after a year the product was released, you can expect a lot of hate from your consumers.

Right now AMD and Nvidia should be increasing production of their GPUs to meet demand because if AMD were to increase production then AMD would get all the sales, and Nvidia loses out and vice versa. And yet we're not seeing anyone increase production of GPUs. This is either due to both companies not wanting to expand production in fear of the cryptocurrecy bubble bursting, or because both companies are price fixing, which means they're working together. Price fixing is easy to do because as much as AMD has tried to appeal to the market, it's shown that majority of people will buy Nvidia regardless how good or bad their products are. Which means there's nothing AMD can do to take away customers from Nvidia, that includes increasing production of GPUs, because if AMD does it then so would Nvidia. In this particular case it makes sense for both AMD and Nvidia to price fix to increase the value of their GPUs. When AMD releases their RX 680 or when Nvidia has their GTX X080 GPU's, you can definitely expect prices to go up.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
If AMD and NVIDIA are selling GPU's straight to the miners, they will both earn my dirty looks. I hope their IP gets ransomwared for 200,000 bit coin. (Wouldn't that be sweet irony)
Click to expand...

I don't think they're selling straight to the miners, because people like this... (very cringey bullshit adding the "Couples who mine together. Stay together."

c2m-pZh5tc9u_45ttbBYOGkK1b3h3E0mEFVleOG96aU.jpg
 
Last edited:
BSmith said:
I can, personally, tell you there are 13 new computer systems NOT being built until RAM and video card prices come down. That number will grow.

Sorry ASUS, Seasonic, GSkill, Corsair, Seagate,...and others.
Click to expand...


that's ok.

your 13 units are peanuts compared to the mining rigs that are being built using the Asus mining mobo and asus gfx cards
 
zamardii12 said:
I don't think they're selling straight to the miners, because people like this... (very cringey bullshit adding the "Couple who mine together. Stays together."

c2m-pZh5tc9u_45ttbBYOGkK1b3h3E0mEFVleOG96aU.jpg
Click to expand...

I thought Microcenter limited buying in bulk? Apparently not. Fuckin assholes.
 
davethehedgehog said:
No they haven't. Have you tried buying one of these? I have. You can't get them anywhere and they're more expensive than a standard 1060, which is what they are. Less warranty and less resale value. All they've done is take a 1060 and remove the display ports and charge a premium. They're a PR stunt, not a fix or a real product

These types of cards aren't why there's s shortage. I don't even think they exist in the wild in any serious numbers.
Click to expand...
Who is to say some of those rented 747s were not filled, at least in part, with mining specific cards sold directly from the manufacturer?

Krenum said:
I thought Microcenter limited buying in bulk? Apparently not. Fuckin assholes.
Click to expand...
Would be interested what date that image is from. My local MC limits two cards per household, and suspect that is company wide policy now.
 
Makaveli@BETA said:
So its basically people with money that is screwing it up for everyone what else is new lol.
Click to expand...
It is not the poor people soaking up all the GPU inventory.

zamardii12 said:
only the last month or two have I heard of a GPU shortage because of these Crypto farmers
Click to expand...
We have been seeing miners impacting video card prices for literally years now.
 
zamardii12 said:
I guess I phrased it wrong. What I am saying is that all of a sudden 1080Ti GPUs are going for $1200+ but Crytocurrency has been around since 2009. Looking at the history of the worth of Bitcoin last year when I bought my 1080ti in May of last year the price of bitcoin was $2000 - $3000 but yet I could still buy my 1080ti for $700 from Newegg, and only the last month or two have I heard of a GPU shortage because of these Crypto farmers. So is it just because Bitcoins skyrocketed to over $10k that video-cards are selling out everywhere?
Click to expand...

Yes, basically with the huge parabolic rise we experienced last month to almost 20k it hit a ton of media.

There is some delay to shortages because of inventory but it caught up and exceeded stock. The same thing happened last April/May with Ethereum. We didn’t see shortages until June IIRC.

Now that we had a correction and it seems like crypto is not breaking through previous highs (which is healthy) we should see stock coming back within reason.

How long is anyone’s guess but I’d expect this to be over mid next month if Bitcoin can’t reach its previous highs.

Personally I’m a miner (7x 1060s) and am about to buy an Alienware Aurora with an i5-8400 16GB 840w PSU 256GB M.2 PCIe SSD with 2 x 1080Tis for 2230.00 USD just to get a reasonable price on the cards.

The system as a whole is a pretty good deal even if MSRP for the cards weren’t 2x or more their original costs.
 
And the GPU makers are waiting for VRAM shortages to fulfill...

"So let's blame the GPU makers!"
 
so there are 2 sides to this mining conflict.

While i have no stake in either side, I'd like to see crypto crash super hard, and this guy with 42 gfx cards he bought for double retail price not be able to unload them for even $700 msrp.

that would be fun to watch.



zamardii12 said:
I don't think they're selling straight to the miners, because people like this... (very cringey bullshit adding the "Couple who mine together. Stays together."

c2m-pZh5tc9u_45ttbBYOGkK1b3h3E0mEFVleOG96aU.jpg
Click to expand...
 
zamardii12 said:
I don't think they're selling straight to the miners, because people like this... (very cringey bullshit adding the "Couple who mine together. Stays together."

c2m-pZh5tc9u_45ttbBYOGkK1b3h3E0mEFVleOG96aU.jpg
Click to expand...

Both of them are assholes excuse my french!

I hope they get stuck selling those cards for 50% of its value after the bubble burst.
 
bugleyman said:
I meant the PC market as a whole. If you can't buy a graphics card, then maybe you just don't build a computer at all, which hurts everyone. Over time, that damage could add up.

I'm not saying I agree, just that I believe that is the argument.
Click to expand...

My thoughts as well. I don't exactly have a "killer rig" but I'm damn glad I bought what I did when I did. I paid $219 for each of my Powercolor Red Devil RX 470's and now the same, rehashed version is going for over $600 on Amazon. This is beyond retarded.
 
Well one good thing that can come out of this is that the price of riser cards and cables could come down? I would like to spend less than $30 on a high quality one so I can mount my GPU in a freaky orientation!
 
Space_Ranger said:
I'm a pessimist... This crypto bubble is never going to burst and we're all screwed.
Click to expand...


This is the steam car stage of the crypto revolution. Wait until there is a GPU in every home to conduct cryptocurrency transactions. I bet your thermostat will have some form of one to pay your electricity bill in the future.

Steam-Car--59630.jpg
 
long term :::big problem:::

right now there are a lot of people sitting on 3~4yr old rigs because CPU development has been ~meh at best for gamers at least... now with new ~somewhat attractive upgrade CPU options, there are a ton of frustrated people with 3~4yr old rigs that aren't willing to be gouged this badly...

if said frustrated people can't upgrade at a reasonable price reasonably soon, PC gaming and vendors risk losing them as customers for the short /mid even long term if they give up on pc gaming and move on to console or ?? other hobbies.

mining is a bubble that will burst and badly.... if the real customers of worth (pc gamers) are driven out of this hobby in disgust over this situation, which is already happening and will accelerate rapidly shortly.... everyone in the industry loses and possibly the industry never recovers.
 
cageymaru said:
Well one good thing that can come out of this is that the price of riser cards and cables could come down? I would like to spend less than $30 on a high quality one so I can mount my GPU in a freaky orientation!
Click to expand...

yeah because it is super l33t to have your gpu cooler jammed right up against the tempered glass side panel of your case so it runs 15C hotter than it needs to...
 
Kdawg said:
that's ok.

your 13 units are peanuts compared to the mining rigs that are being built using the Asus mining mobo and asus gfx cards
Click to expand...

And what about the people who would have manned those new computers? They are not going to get a job, or worse, they are getting laid off.

This cuts a lot deeper than you think.
 
atarione said:
yeah because it is super l33t to have your gpu cooler jammed right up against the tempered glass side panel of your case so it runs 15C hotter than it needs to...
Click to expand...

Mine is flipped vertically due to my Silverstone case. I want to make a custom desk and mount it inside the desk with a glass top so I can view the disco lights and stuff. ;)
 
I am hoping to build my daughter a PC next holiday season, no way that is happening at current component prices (GPU, SSD, DRAM). If I was in the market as a 1st time PC builder I'd likely just opt for a console until this blows over.

I don't see the GPU makers doing anything about it, perhaps some slight increase in units but nothing significant.

I'll happily sell my GTX 1070 for $800 if any of you GPU crazy miners wants it.
 
rudy said:
I find it ironic how people think that you can outwit the free market. Lets go communist, maybe we can have the government issue GPU vouchers. Calm down people if crypto is a bubble it will pop, if not they will increase supply. I am sorry if you need to build now and can't, just buy a lower end gpu and hold out.
Click to expand...

Not sure how it would be ironic, but I think get your gist. Personally, I think people aren't really suggesting the market is the problem (or that we go "communist"; wtf?); rather, they are lamenting that, as efficient as the market is, it isn't perfect (after all, if it were, speculative bubbles wouldn't exist).

Plus the assurance that the market will stabilize eventually is of little comfort if you want to buy a GPU in the near term. People -- myself included -- are nothing if not impatient. At least we're not talking about medical supplies!
 
Design1stcode2nd said:
I am hoping to build my daughter a PC next holiday season, no way that is happening at current component prices (GPU, SSD, DRAM). If I was in the market as a 1st time PC builder I'd likely just opt for a console until this blows over.

I don't see the GPU makers doing anything about it, perhaps some slight increase in units but nothing significant.

I'll happily sell my GTX 1070 for $800 if any of you GPU crazy miners wants it.
Click to expand...

You have plenty of time if it's for the holiday.
Just put yourself on several different GPU partner's watch lists, and keep checking back regularly.
Find a Good SSD brand and pick up a cheap lightly used one after some watching
Hunt around for the memory you want used online till you find a price you like.

With a bit of patience and cash in hand, I haven't found it hard to get what you want if you are willing to watch and wait (except Vega 64).
 
For AMD and NVidia this is bad, regardless, Gamers are a sustainable recurring consumer and prosumer. The major issue is that the Tflops of computational power in their consumer based gaming GPUs has become so high that at this rate in regards to mining it's cannabalizing a greater product model in terms of AMD the firepro cards and in NVidia case the P series Tesla cards or the Titan V, that are aptly priced for professional computational work.

1- They can lower the price or create lower end budget computational cards, which they will never do.

2- or increase stock production orders to the point the market is overly flooded.

3- Sell as well as force third party manufacturers to sell msrp with a 2 per household limit, well because SLI, Crossfire is all but dead anyways.

4- raise the prices of consumer GPUs to stop the mining to RoI

The bottom line is both sides can't really afford to piss off third fan base or alienate newer consumers, at this rate Intel could easily release gaming GPUs and take a chunk of both companies marketshare.
 
I personally lucked out.
Got my evga fe 1080ti for 700 and some trident x 3200 8x8 for 360.

At today's prices 1300 and 900 no way.

Personally they should limit the shipped 3rd party to half stock so makers can ship to verified buyers at limit.
I wanted an elite blue 1080ti ftw3 but nope.... None.
 
Sure, Nvidia could produce more but they might have a higher marginal cost to really ramp up production.. and for what? They don't get any of the retailer profit.

Probably an unpopular opinion but isn't this problem exacerbated by the fact that AMD Vega 3rd party cards are basically nonexistant? From my viewpoint there seem to be lots of Nvidia stock that is rapidly getting bought out but not so much AMD stock that even exists.
 
bugleyman said:
I meant the PC market as a whole. If you can't buy a graphics card, then maybe you just don't build a computer at all, which hurts everyone. Over time, that damage could add up.

I'm not saying I agree, just that I believe that is the argument.
Click to expand...
I'd like to upgrade My PC from a PNY LC gtx 580 to an Nvidia 1070 Ti FE, but the shortage makes the cards cost almost an arm and a leg in some cases, gold might be cheaper soon if this keeps up.
 
JokerCPoC said:
I'd like to upgrade My PC from a PNY LC gtx 580 to an Nvidia 1070 Ti FE, but the shortage makes the cards cost almost an arm and a leg in some cases, gold might be cheaper soon if this keeps up.
Click to expand...

Exactly what I was thinking. Probably better off buying gold. At least it has resale value & is always in demand. Don't tell that to the dumbass vapor coin miners though.
 
dj_spanmaster said:
It does feel completely disingenuous for them to send out samples for review at this and other sites, then have nothing available on hand for the enthusiasts to purchase. Like, using site reviews to prop up the price and demand even further, completely unnecessarily. Manipulative.
Click to expand...

What it sounds like to me is that a lot of people don't understand that NVidia only manufactures the Founders Edition cards and that all the other cards are made by the other suppliers like ASUS and EVGA.

I'm not sure about AMD, for awhile AMD was actually making all the cards to the "brand name's" specifications based on AMD's reference designs. How did AMD/ATI phrase it? "Made
griff30 said:
I'm wondering when Matrox, Sis or even Samsung will figure out there is a market for affordable GPUs that are good for modern games?
A third party stepping into the ring and saying "Fuck it, we'll aim for the gamer" is what the market needs. Some of the old GPU makers might be long in tooth but surely Samsung could pull something out of it's ass and literally corner the market.
Click to expand...


Who's tech are they going to license?

You can't forget about the never ending circle jerk of law suites between AMD and NVidia each trying to hold off the other in times of famine. As has been said, whatever it was that each had predicted when ordering GPUs from the fabs, they are having no problems selling them. I think they are hitting their marks easily and as others have said, without needing to lower prices or offer purchasing incentives. That's a lot of money in their pockets they are not used to making this time in the cycle.

I do have an iron in this fire BTW, my EVGA 1070 just died, it's under warranty and I am pretty sure EVGA will be good on replacing it, but I have no idea how long the wait will be.
 
Here's the thing the "crypto will never pop" crowd doesn't seem to get: It is possible to simultaneously be a great idea with staying power, and yet still be the subject of a speculative bubble (see: automobiles, airplanes).

It doesn't make one a Luddite to observe that a large price correction is inevitable at this point. We've seen this show before.
 
I have to admit that I am having some difficulty not selling my $570 MSI 1080Ti DUKE for the $1100 that the used ones are going for on FleaBay. But I figure that things may take a long time to calm down with the mining craze. That and going back to my 970, ouch.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top