Vega Rumors

pandora's box said:
Can't believe you will not be able to buy the liquid cooled variant without buying a Freesync monitor or Mobo + CPU. Though at $699, not sure why you wouldn't go with a 1080 Ti.

Vega is a failure in my eyes. Doesn't compete in price, doesn't compete in performance.

AMD once again is clinging to new memory architecture. It's preventing them from competing in price as I imagine HBM2 is not cheap.

HD2900XTX anyone?
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This is insanely stupid.

The people who would even consider buying Radeon RX Vega 64 liquid cooled are probably people who already have FreeSync monitors that they like.
 
_mockingbird said:
This is insanely stupid.

The people who would even consider buying Radeon RX Vega 64 liquid cooled are probably people who already have FreeSync monitors that they like.
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Yes, the way the bundles are set up is that it penalizes the people who have already jumped on Freesync or Ryzen by $100... Not sure this makes sense for inspiring brand loyalty. If you are a loyal customer/early adopter the coupons are useless to you.
 
pandora's box said:
I think the real dissapointing part to me is I was looking forward to AMD being competitive again. Was looking forward to an old school GPU war. Guess those days are long gone. How long until the AMD fanboys say "wait for Navi"
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Gotta wait till people get out of the anger stage and go into bargaining ;)
 
GreenOrbs said:
Yes, the way the bundles are set up is that it penalizes the people who have already jumped on Freesync or Ryzen by $100... Not sure this makes sense for inspiring brand loyalty. If you are a loyal customer/early adopter the coupons are useless to you.
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Can always buy the monitor and sell it after?
 
razor1 said:
dude its mediocre, I mean 1000 watt power supply that right there is 250 bucks? the savings they just got from the monitor, they just lost more than half of that on the power supply lol.

If they go to thread ripper. 1000 watts, probably playing on the rough side, thread ripper uses 180 watts, so 1200 watt power supply probably better, that is a bit more expensive.

They will end up with not much savings just because of the power usage.
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Ture but people don't buy from these calculations. Most decisions are based on emotions, and fanboys will buy these cards no doubt.
 
GreenOrbs said:
Yes, the way the bundles are set up is that it penalizes the people who have already jumped on Freesync or Ryzen by $100... Not sure this makes sense for inspiring brand loyalty. If you are a loyal customer/early adopter the coupons are useless to you.
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There will always be people that feel hurt. I am sure those people that already built systems have already purchased a video card. no? I doubt they are waiting for vega. This is to move the cards nothing else.
 
NKD said:
Ture but people don't buy from these calculations. Most decisions are based on emotions, and fanboys will buy these cards no doubt.
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My gaming system, 6700k, the entire system I got for oh 900 bucks + 700 bucks for the graphics card, 1600 bucks and that system has 64 gb of ram and 1080ti. 4k monitor cost me oh 1000 bucks but got that back 1.5 years ago. Its not the greatest monitor, but it works for what it is, for gaming its going to beat the pants off of thread ripper + vega and still be cheaper by a lot. And its all much older tech!
 
razor1 said:
Can always buy the monitor and sell it after?
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I guess you could do that but the monitor they give you a coupon for (Samsung CF791) sells for $950. If you buy it for $750 with the coupon and try to sell it for say $900 you are likely only to get about $750 after eBay fees and shipping for example. You might be able to recover like $100 of value by trying craigslist or selling it on a forum but I would guess a $900 monitor will be tricky to sell.

http://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/curved/34--cf791-wqhd-monitor-lc34f791wqnxza/
 
It's interesting that RTG decided to do their own "Founder's Edition" style gimmick with their LE cards and it seems much more elaborate than how Nvidia did it before by bundling games and discount coupons for Freesync displays and Ryzen CPUs/boards so at the same time they're trying to lock you into their ecosystem while presenting "better" value on the surface to make the Vega line look the least bit competitive against the 1070/1080/1080Ti. Seems to me that in the past year or so, AMD's marketing department must have been racking their brains to come up with all this especially the trickle marketing and the Freesync value angle they've been pushing lately. As the inevitable launch approaches, it's starting to get clearer that RX Vega would be a hard sell on its own with the kind of product the marketing people have to work with performance-wise and with the profit margin pricing targets they have to achieve considering the larger GPU, HBM2, production yields, and heavier duty power circuitry these cards require.
 
The idea behind the bundle is stupid.
jologskyblues said:
It's interesting that RTG decided to do their own "Founder's Edition" style gimmick with their LE cards and it seems much more elaborate than how Nvidia did it before by bundling games and discount coupons for Freesync displays and Ryzen CPUs/boards so at the same time they're trying to lock you into their ecosystem while presenting "better" value on the surface to make the Vega line look the least bit competitive against the 1070/1080/1080Ti. Seems to me that in the past year or so, AMD's marketing department must have been racking their brains to come up with all this especially the trickle marketing and the Freesync value angle they've been pushing lately. As the inevitable launch approaches, it's starting to get clearer that RX Vega would be a hard sell on its own with the kind of product the marketing people have to work with performance-wise and with the profit margin pricing targets they have to achieve considering the larger GPU, HBM2, production yields, and heavier duty power circuitry these cards require.
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AMD should have bundle Vega with 5-10 games instead.
 
Apparently 150 watts, with a single 8-pin power connector...

https://smallformfactor.net/news/vega-nano-news

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Looks like draw steam binning restarizer is still not enabled in Vega and will be enabled by launch of rx Vega GPU! Looks like their driver team is pure shit or something went wrong with DSBR and they are doing a driver workaround to get minimum benefit without stability issues. Who knows. To me it's seems like AMD driver team is very incompetent. I would love to know if Nvidia has more quantity than AMD when it comes to driver team or they are just smarter and AMD needs to hire some smarter programmers that understand their hardware better. It's not that AMDs architecture gets better performance over time. It's just nvidia get some the best performance from the gate and AMD driver team lacks talent or man power and is way slower in optimizing to their architecture to max speed from the start.
 
'Dat nano...

But in all seriousness, the Nano may be the only but of good news to come out of this trash fire...
 
So reviews August 14th, availability August/September, AIB models October?
This is getting worse and worse.
 
stashix said:
So reviews August 14th, availability August/September, AIB models October?
This is getting worse and worse.
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Bro it launches august 14th. That's the availability date. Stop over thinking it.
 
KazeoHin said:
'Dat nano...

But in all seriousness, the Nano may be the only but of good news to come out of this trash fire...
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Tup3x said:
It depends on how it performs though.
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Gonna call it now, the RX Vega Nano will be an even more cut down version of the Vega GPU...

I am thinking, with the 150w TDP they are shooting for, this is going to be a RX Vega 48 Nano...?

I might just have to go with the stock RX Vega 64 Liquid Cooled / 120 AIO GPU & throw a Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 AIO on the Ryzen R7 1700 CPU...

I hope my Corsair SF600 SFX PSU is up to the task...!
 
_mockingbird said:
The idea behind the bundle is stupid.


AMD should have bundle Vega with 5-10 games instead.
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I know. AMD marketing is just basically trying to soften the blow with all the trickle marketing and polishing a turd to convince you to buy it and while they're at it, they're trying to sell you their other stuff to go along with the purchase. That's sales for ya.

If there's one thing that nvidia does right is that they begin their marketing with an undisputedly strong product and value-adds from there.
 
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GreenOrbs said:
I guess you could do that but the monitor they give you a coupon for (Samsung CF791) sells for $950. If you buy it for $750 with the coupon and try to sell it for say $900 you are likely only to get about $750 after eBay fees and shipping for example. You might be able to recover like $100 of value by trying craigslist or selling it on a forum but I would guess a $900 monitor will be tricky to sell.

http://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/curved/34--cf791-wqhd-monitor-lc34f791wqnxza/
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Bad example, the CF791 has been down to ~$650 pretty regularly and as low as $550 for a refurb. Doubt you would be able to sell it for $750 even.
 
Boil said:
Gonna call it now, the RX Vega Nano will be an even more cut down version of the Vega GPU...

I am thinking, with the 150w TDP they are shooting for, this is going to be a RX Vega 48 Nano...?

I might just have to go with the stock RX Vega 64 Liquid Cooled / 120 AIO GPU & throw a Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 AIO on the Ryzen R7 1700 CPU...

I hope my Corsair SF600 SFX PSU is up to the task...!
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Seriously, if the Nano is 150 W, it is going to perform like a GTX 1060, while using a die the size of Titan.

This is not good news unless you like dark humor. Nothing can really disguise how badly AMD shit the bed.
 
You know things are bad when even the diehard AMD fans over at Anandtech forums are calling for Raja's head lol!

AMD should dismantle RTG and sell it to Qualcomm or Intel and focus on CPUs. Either that or just stick to APUs and custom SoC designs for consoles with a bare minimum GPU design team. Trying to compete with NVIDIA is just not in the cards for them. Pretty sure I've said this many times before but the GPU wars have been over and NVIDIA won long ago and are untouchable.
 
NKD said:
Actually power requirements are close to AMDs previous gen cards. So to AMD it's an improvement. They simply can't match nvidia due to R&D budget and Navi is probably slowly being progressed due to that as well. I think GCN has been pushed long enough and Navi will be a departure that is long overdue. We might see another refresh of Vega before Navi comes out. But I truly believe that is when we see new architecture from amd!
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I think their greatest engineering achievement with Vega is getting the clocks so high on their GCN wide architecture, it is seriously impressive they can now sustain over 1400MHz - ignoring the very top figure because that will not apply to all and requires a more extreme setup and modification (messing around a lot with voltage/fans/performance envelope).
Two areas let them down; the GCN core architecture no longer scales (for now anyway) and this has let Nvidia catch up (especially moving forward with Volta) in terms of compute where before Nvidia was heavily behind even in the days of Maxwell, and also still seems they are having challenges greatly increasing performance of the visual front end game related functions but it is early days for now regarding this factor (sounds like it requires a fair amount of work from both AMD and devs though just like some of us were saying).

Cheers
 
GreenOrbs said:
Relevant quotes from anandtech:

"today is not the launch day for the Radeon RX Vega. In fact, only right before this embargo expired did AMD even announce a launch date: August 14th. So for reviews, performance analyses, and of course purchasing, everyone will have to hold on just a bit longer"

And:
"Instead, what we’ve been told is to expect the Vega 64 to “trade blows” with NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 1080."

Looks like avg frame rates werent beating the 1080 so that's why they are releasing min frame rate comparisons now.
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The minimums presentation makes it look like they are hiding something, failure to compete on averages being the most likely culprit. Minimums are very important obviously, but if you knew a game had an average framerate of 125, a minimum of 20 at one point in the game, but over 60 the rest of the time would you buy a card with a minimum of 30 and an average of 65?

Maybe- but it would depend on your monitor, gaming style, and settings used in the benchmark. A twitch gamer on a 200Hz monitor wouldn't want the latter and an RPG player on a 60Hz panel might prefer the 30 minimum if both benches run at Ultra settings.
 
pandora's box said:
I think the real dissapointing part to me is I was looking forward to AMD being competitive again. Was looking forward to an old school GPU war. Guess those days are long gone. How long until the AMD fanboys say "wait for Navi"
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Some started saying that when the FE dropped and that Vega wasn't Raja's baby (but it was for years until now). It is pretty funny...

Wait for Navi!
 
Jimmy Whicher said:
The minimums presentation makes it look like they are hiding something, failure to compete on averages being the most likely culprit. Minimums are very important obviously, but if you knew a game had an average framerate of 125, a minimum of 20 at one point in the game, but over 60 the rest of the time would you buy a card with a minimum of 30 and an average of 65?

Maybe- but it would depend on your monitor, gaming style, and settings used in the benchmark. A twitch gamer on a 200Hz monitor wouldn't want the latter and an RPG player on a 60Hz panel might prefer the 30 minimum if both benches run at Ultra settings.
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The minimum is also a nasty skew presentation and one slide everyone should ignore.
The reason is they deliberately include Deus Ex Mankind, Hitman, Warhammer and these games have big hits on Nvidia GPUs and were really designed to work well with AMD, those 3 games make up 1/3 of the list.
So if you take those three games out (they are not even truly DX12 engines but a fudge) the minimum list would change noticably.
If someone wants to argue it is fair to keep them, then they should also consider games exist that receive a massive jump with Nvidia GPUs.

Cheers
 
If Vega "trades blows" with GTX 1080, and the 980Ti trades blows with the 1080 when overclocked (because yes you can gain over 30% vs reference) then we have the hilarious situation where the card that was competing with Fiji is now comfortably competing with its successor, and drawing similar amounts of power.

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I think these cards are only going to look worse when they get into reviewers hands. AMD was very selective as to which games they picked for performance comparisons. Theres also the heat output and how much noise these cards are going to make that needs to be factored in as well.
 
can someone tell me wtf that "holocube" shit is? i don't get the hype looks like some shitty thing you get at Spenser's
 
Elios said:
can someone tell me wtf that "holocube" shit is? i don't get the hype looks like some shitty thing you get at Spenser's
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The holocube is a mythical device engineered by the most intellectually capable marketing people of the 21st century. Their stated aim is to distract the general population from the the lackluster reveal of a product by announcing cool, future sounding product derivatives whose main purpose is to serve as an interesting thing to share on social media.

All jokes aside, it's a tiny PC. That's it.

Edit: Wait I think I'm mixing this up with something else AMD marketing came up with, wasn't there some kind of tiny AIO PC they talked about, was even featured in a damned movie or something ?

It's apparently a holographic display.


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Nvidia's famous time-travelling leather jacket salesman has now released an official response to the vega announcement dated March 1st 2017

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Ya'll seem to forget, Vega is supposed to be AMD's finest wine.

You are supposed to enjoy it three years from now after the drivers have aged, and play 7+ year old games.

"Ha those Nvididiots who payed 700+ for a 1080ti, my Vega can play Doom at 4K@100Hz+" Random Dude Aug 2020



All joking aside I want to buy one just to put on display, that brushed aluminum looks sexy.
 
Hakaba said:
Ya'll seem to forget, Vega is supposed to be AMD's finest wine.

You are supposed to enjoy it three years from now after the drivers have aged, and play 7+ year old games.

"Ha those Nvididiots who payed 700+ for a 1080ti, my Vega can play Doom at 4K@100Hz+" Random Dude Aug 2020



All joking aside I want to buy one just to put on display, that brushed aluminum looks sexy.
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Need to drink a lot of wine before buying lol.
 
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