VeganPrince
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Hello everybody!
0/ INTRODUCTION
I've been researching about monitors during too much time without success and finally I decided to join this forum in which I found deep knowledge in many users.
I wanted a new 27" AMVA+ G-Sync 144-165hz monitor, for my future PC, but I want to buy already the monitor since I use a 21" 1920x1080 monitor which is too small for reading, gaming and so on and I need to read a lot of documents already in this moment.
So the first products that I took a look into were the ones which were supposed to be the best in the gaming area: Asus PG279Q, AOC AG271QG and Acer XB271HU, all IPS, 2k, G-sync, 144-165hz, but I saw that they are already TOO OLD, TOO PRICEY, and they have TOO MANY PROBLEMS (uniformity issues like a 100 euros monitor). Which turn to be unacceptable for me.
So, my points of analysis are the next ones:
1/ SIZE. I've been watching people looking for 24" monitors. Also people looking for 32" monitors or even 40" televisions (oops, sorry, I mean monitors). The first thing that comes to my mind is: Are we crazy? I mean... Is it even healthy to have a 32" or 40" television size monitor for doing the every-day activities? Reading, writing emails, surfing...? I mean... It looks to me pretty dangerous to have a >32" panel in a so short distance (much shorter than a tv distance), with a lot of light emission coming right through our eyes?? The more big the pannel is, the more light it emits and the more damage our eyes take. Similarly, a 24" monitor seems to mee to small for reading and/or for a decent work/reading/gaming area. So... 1/ WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SIZES?
2/ RESOLUTION AND READING. The second thing is that I need the monitor not only for gaming, but also for reading. I have extensively read your posts in the "Best Reviewed A-MVA Monitor Thread" thread. The problem is that, many users, like one that I most appreciated his contributions, geok1ng, talk only about FullHD 1920x1080 AMVA+ monitors. My doubt is the next one: Isn't Full HD a too small resolution for a 27" monitor? Currently I'm in a 21" monitor with a FullHD display. Maybe It would be better for the eyes to have a not too big resolution, but, I think I will feel bad if I see the same resolution that I have in my 21" panel in a 27" panel? If it wasn't for this, I would have already chosen a Benq AMVA+ like the Benq2775ZH which is not expensive (money is not an issue, but there are just no more models), even when I still have not my new pc, only for reading. But... I wonder if a low resolution is a problem for reading? If you buy a high resolution monitor (like 2k) you can always change your browser zoom, and your Word and PDF documents zoom, and just still be able to have a better experience being able to use the bigger resolution in analysis/graphics/calculation programs that may take the advantage of it? SO the second problem is 2/ WHICH RESOLUTION SHOULD WE TAKE FOR A 27" MONITOR?
3/ GSYNC vs FREESYNC. Another aspect that I've been observing that people just don't give too much importance, or even ignore, is the GSYNC subject. I've been watching that most of the monitors that you suggest are FREESYNC, when, most people use NVIDIA cards which are the best ones for gaming, according to most of the benchmarks of most of the games. So the question is, why do you guys stick to FREESYNC monitors which won't ever give the best optimal behavior and power with a NVIDIA card than a G-SYNC will? Why do you even consider investing a high amount of money, not having this subject attended? I mean, I find it 100% necessary to take a G-SYNC monitor if we minimally look for a gaming monitor. Any other solution is for me just a big error. So... 3/ WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT GSYNC?
4/ MOMENT TO BUY / NEXT RELEASES. JULY 2017. As I said in the beginning, the Asus PG279Q, AOC AG271QG and Acer XB271HU, all IPS, 2k, G-sync, 144-165hz are all what I would want. But they are too old, they have 100 euros panels BLB & Glow problems, they are so expensive, and they just suck so much. Sorry for being so clear in this area. So the thing is... What other solutions do we have? Is waiting an option? I've read that new HDR monitors are coming, but, will they come with prohibitive prices and same panel uniformity issues than the old ones? If I need a panel already, for this august, to read a lot of documents, not in my shitty 21" monitor... what should I take? Should I buy a cheap full hd 27" AMVA+ monitor just to wait for the gaming monitors to appear in the next month/months? Or fullhd is too low for a 27" as I said previously? Why there are no AMVA+ 2k 27" monitors? And obviously no AMVA+ 2k 27" GSYNC 144hz-165hz monitors WITHOUT CURVED PANELS.
5/ CURVED PANELS. Before you suggest me one of the new Samsung curved VA panels, I have to tell you that I deeply hate curved TVs and monitors. I have a curved TV in a house, and I have always regretted buying it. It always makes me feel OUT OF THE SCENE, because of its curvature, which I find unnatural and strange, my eyes always get distracted with the bezels/borders that stand out of the tv. I will tell you my theory. I think that curved panels are an absolute disaster from the physics and aesthetics point of view. From the first point of view, physics, it's just totally wrong to buy a curved tv or even more a monitor, for gaming or working, because our brain and eyes work best with lineal calculations. Our body performs best with lineal surfaces. It's just a fact that all of our works are based on flat surfaces. No one could imagine an artist drawing in a curved sheet, or a writer writting in a curved book, or an enginyeer working on building drafts over curved sheets and panels. It's just unnefficient and unprofitable, because our brain makes faster and more precise calculations with flat surfaces, it is, the amount of pressure and speed that we must put in our hand over the physic surface, or over the virtual surface. One of the examples is gaming. I can't even imagine how could a gamer buy a curved monitor, since, the simple fact of moving yoru mouse over a curved panel puts in play the problems of the physics in quadratic surfaces. The amount of time and effort to move from a point to another, in a quadratic equation/surface is much different and variable than in a lineal surface. We can't simply calculate correctly how to engage a target in a curved surface the same quick and precise than in a flat surface. It's just a fact in my opinion. The same applies in reading or working in a Excel worksheet in a curved monitor. It just becomes a big problem for our comfort and more importantly for our eyes, to have to look at calculations that move in a quadratic surface. It's just fatal. Even when I have very well taken the decision in this area, I still want to know your opinon. 5/ WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT CURVED PANELS IN EVERYDAY'S AND EVERYTHING USE.
6/ IPS VS AMVA+. It's clear that for better contrast, better protection against backlight, and better blacks and whites (VERY IMPORTANT IN READING) we need to go for an AMVA+. Maybe even for gaming. The only exception for which IPS could be good is for photography professionals. Do we agree? 6/ DO YOU AGREE THAT AMVA+ IS BETTER THAN IPS IN ALMOST ALL?
7/ FREQUENCY. For me, a very important subject, yet very scorned or even ignored by many users which consider just acceptable having a 60hz monitor like we had 15 years ago? Frequency not only plays a key role in games, in which the more FPS we get, the better experience we have, but also (and please correct me if I'm wrong) and HEALTH. The more Hertz that we have in our monitor, the less flickering we get. The more steady, constant and quick emission of frames, even when we work in Excel, or we just read documents, the healthier experience we have, since it's not the same reading a document at 60HZ than at 165hz. Or... is it? If it's the same, maybe for sure it's not the same in gaming? 7 / WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FREQUENCIES?
FINAL/ What would you buy in this moment, and/or in the very coming future. 27" 2k AMVA+ G-Sync 144-165hz? I accept also partial recommendations, it is, for example a 27" AMVA+ monitor which is not G-sync, and only for reading/working. I can consider the option of having two monitors, although I don't find it comfortable to have more than one monitor in my desk. Thanks in advance for your contributions.
0/ INTRODUCTION
I've been researching about monitors during too much time without success and finally I decided to join this forum in which I found deep knowledge in many users.
I wanted a new 27" AMVA+ G-Sync 144-165hz monitor, for my future PC, but I want to buy already the monitor since I use a 21" 1920x1080 monitor which is too small for reading, gaming and so on and I need to read a lot of documents already in this moment.
So the first products that I took a look into were the ones which were supposed to be the best in the gaming area: Asus PG279Q, AOC AG271QG and Acer XB271HU, all IPS, 2k, G-sync, 144-165hz, but I saw that they are already TOO OLD, TOO PRICEY, and they have TOO MANY PROBLEMS (uniformity issues like a 100 euros monitor). Which turn to be unacceptable for me.
So, my points of analysis are the next ones:
1/ SIZE. I've been watching people looking for 24" monitors. Also people looking for 32" monitors or even 40" televisions (oops, sorry, I mean monitors). The first thing that comes to my mind is: Are we crazy? I mean... Is it even healthy to have a 32" or 40" television size monitor for doing the every-day activities? Reading, writing emails, surfing...? I mean... It looks to me pretty dangerous to have a >32" panel in a so short distance (much shorter than a tv distance), with a lot of light emission coming right through our eyes?? The more big the pannel is, the more light it emits and the more damage our eyes take. Similarly, a 24" monitor seems to mee to small for reading and/or for a decent work/reading/gaming area. So... 1/ WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SIZES?
2/ RESOLUTION AND READING. The second thing is that I need the monitor not only for gaming, but also for reading. I have extensively read your posts in the "Best Reviewed A-MVA Monitor Thread" thread. The problem is that, many users, like one that I most appreciated his contributions, geok1ng, talk only about FullHD 1920x1080 AMVA+ monitors. My doubt is the next one: Isn't Full HD a too small resolution for a 27" monitor? Currently I'm in a 21" monitor with a FullHD display. Maybe It would be better for the eyes to have a not too big resolution, but, I think I will feel bad if I see the same resolution that I have in my 21" panel in a 27" panel? If it wasn't for this, I would have already chosen a Benq AMVA+ like the Benq2775ZH which is not expensive (money is not an issue, but there are just no more models), even when I still have not my new pc, only for reading. But... I wonder if a low resolution is a problem for reading? If you buy a high resolution monitor (like 2k) you can always change your browser zoom, and your Word and PDF documents zoom, and just still be able to have a better experience being able to use the bigger resolution in analysis/graphics/calculation programs that may take the advantage of it? SO the second problem is 2/ WHICH RESOLUTION SHOULD WE TAKE FOR A 27" MONITOR?
3/ GSYNC vs FREESYNC. Another aspect that I've been observing that people just don't give too much importance, or even ignore, is the GSYNC subject. I've been watching that most of the monitors that you suggest are FREESYNC, when, most people use NVIDIA cards which are the best ones for gaming, according to most of the benchmarks of most of the games. So the question is, why do you guys stick to FREESYNC monitors which won't ever give the best optimal behavior and power with a NVIDIA card than a G-SYNC will? Why do you even consider investing a high amount of money, not having this subject attended? I mean, I find it 100% necessary to take a G-SYNC monitor if we minimally look for a gaming monitor. Any other solution is for me just a big error. So... 3/ WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT GSYNC?
4/ MOMENT TO BUY / NEXT RELEASES. JULY 2017. As I said in the beginning, the Asus PG279Q, AOC AG271QG and Acer XB271HU, all IPS, 2k, G-sync, 144-165hz are all what I would want. But they are too old, they have 100 euros panels BLB & Glow problems, they are so expensive, and they just suck so much. Sorry for being so clear in this area. So the thing is... What other solutions do we have? Is waiting an option? I've read that new HDR monitors are coming, but, will they come with prohibitive prices and same panel uniformity issues than the old ones? If I need a panel already, for this august, to read a lot of documents, not in my shitty 21" monitor... what should I take? Should I buy a cheap full hd 27" AMVA+ monitor just to wait for the gaming monitors to appear in the next month/months? Or fullhd is too low for a 27" as I said previously? Why there are no AMVA+ 2k 27" monitors? And obviously no AMVA+ 2k 27" GSYNC 144hz-165hz monitors WITHOUT CURVED PANELS.
5/ CURVED PANELS. Before you suggest me one of the new Samsung curved VA panels, I have to tell you that I deeply hate curved TVs and monitors. I have a curved TV in a house, and I have always regretted buying it. It always makes me feel OUT OF THE SCENE, because of its curvature, which I find unnatural and strange, my eyes always get distracted with the bezels/borders that stand out of the tv. I will tell you my theory. I think that curved panels are an absolute disaster from the physics and aesthetics point of view. From the first point of view, physics, it's just totally wrong to buy a curved tv or even more a monitor, for gaming or working, because our brain and eyes work best with lineal calculations. Our body performs best with lineal surfaces. It's just a fact that all of our works are based on flat surfaces. No one could imagine an artist drawing in a curved sheet, or a writer writting in a curved book, or an enginyeer working on building drafts over curved sheets and panels. It's just unnefficient and unprofitable, because our brain makes faster and more precise calculations with flat surfaces, it is, the amount of pressure and speed that we must put in our hand over the physic surface, or over the virtual surface. One of the examples is gaming. I can't even imagine how could a gamer buy a curved monitor, since, the simple fact of moving yoru mouse over a curved panel puts in play the problems of the physics in quadratic surfaces. The amount of time and effort to move from a point to another, in a quadratic equation/surface is much different and variable than in a lineal surface. We can't simply calculate correctly how to engage a target in a curved surface the same quick and precise than in a flat surface. It's just a fact in my opinion. The same applies in reading or working in a Excel worksheet in a curved monitor. It just becomes a big problem for our comfort and more importantly for our eyes, to have to look at calculations that move in a quadratic surface. It's just fatal. Even when I have very well taken the decision in this area, I still want to know your opinon. 5/ WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT CURVED PANELS IN EVERYDAY'S AND EVERYTHING USE.
6/ IPS VS AMVA+. It's clear that for better contrast, better protection against backlight, and better blacks and whites (VERY IMPORTANT IN READING) we need to go for an AMVA+. Maybe even for gaming. The only exception for which IPS could be good is for photography professionals. Do we agree? 6/ DO YOU AGREE THAT AMVA+ IS BETTER THAN IPS IN ALMOST ALL?
7/ FREQUENCY. For me, a very important subject, yet very scorned or even ignored by many users which consider just acceptable having a 60hz monitor like we had 15 years ago? Frequency not only plays a key role in games, in which the more FPS we get, the better experience we have, but also (and please correct me if I'm wrong) and HEALTH. The more Hertz that we have in our monitor, the less flickering we get. The more steady, constant and quick emission of frames, even when we work in Excel, or we just read documents, the healthier experience we have, since it's not the same reading a document at 60HZ than at 165hz. Or... is it? If it's the same, maybe for sure it's not the same in gaming? 7 / WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FREQUENCIES?
FINAL/ What would you buy in this moment, and/or in the very coming future. 27" 2k AMVA+ G-Sync 144-165hz? I accept also partial recommendations, it is, for example a 27" AMVA+ monitor which is not G-sync, and only for reading/working. I can consider the option of having two monitors, although I don't find it comfortable to have more than one monitor in my desk. Thanks in advance for your contributions.
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