Nintendo Switch

Whach said:
Its a gimmick to me if the software doesn't back up the hardware a la Wii U, Kinect, PS Move controllers - to me, it was just a platform for regurgitated software with slightly different controls added on. 1st party at that. All promise, poor universal execution.

And as far as the Tegra x1, unless its heavily modified, I doubt it will approach Xbone and PS4 in terms of raw horse power - but that isn't the important part, its the software that I have issue with.
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Wii U tablet is excellent and still used often in my house. No where to the level of Kinect or Move. Switch appears to be the next logical step to that. I can see it being it hit with many families.
 
Whach said:
Its a gimmick to me if the software doesn't back up the hardware a la Wii U, Kinect, PS Move controllers - to me, it was just a platform for regurgitated software with slightly different controls added on. 1st party at that. All promise, poor universal execution.

And as far as the Tegra x1, unless its heavily modified, I doubt it will approach Xbone and PS4 in terms of raw horse power - but that isn't the important part, its the software that I have issue with.
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The Switch most likely has a custom Pascal Tegra, not the X1. I was just using the X1 as comparison earlier in the thread. The Pascal Tegra for the automotive industry is 4TFlops per chip. I know you can't just use a RAW TFlop number as a real-world measurement, but say they have to cut it back by half due to power constraints. They're still over the PS4's 1.84. We could go back and forth on these numbers all day, but until the final specs are released, it's all speculation. All I'm pretty sure of is that it's Pascal based. It should perform very well.

I'm with you on the Kinect and PS Move, less so but still see your point on the Wii U, however, the Switch isn't like that at all. It's a portable like any other, (only a lot more powerful) and also functions as a home console when docked. That's not a goofy weather-report-ball-wand-controller, it's not a camera add on, it's a full featured console that can be used on the go or at home to similar effect. I really don't see how you can group that into the same class. It has "real" controllers if you want that, interchangeable ones for when it's portable, etc. There's nothing but good things there.

You're welcome to disagree. Not dismissing your opinion. I just completely disagree.
 
Kinsaras said:
Wii U tablet is excellent and still used often in my house. No where to the level of Kinect or Move. Switch appears to be the next logical step to that. I can see it being it hit with many families.
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I use the Wii U pad CONSTANTLY in my house. (well, the kids and I really) My daughter just beat Bayonetta 2 on it the other day while my wife was watching mysteries, and I was working on projects. I played Twilight Princess HD last night in bed before going to sleep, and enjoyed every second of it. It's totally useful, and when you are playing on a TV, having your maps and inventory on the pad is amazingly useful. I'm right with you on this.

The switch appears to be even better because you can actually take it out of the house. I already know several people who are going to buy this, so playing multiplayer at a friend's house and not some watered-down portable game, but real top-tier console games is going to be very cool. I keep making plans to re-LAN-ify my house and put together some mid-range PCs. However, a bunch of projects keep getting in the way. If the same people buy these like we've been talking about, we can just carry a tiny device, sit down, and play. I don't see anything bad about that. (I'll eventually get to those PCs anyway though :D )
 
J3RK said:
The Switch most likely has a custom Pascal Tegra, not the X1. I was just using the X1 as comparison earlier in the thread. The Pascal Tegra for the automotive industry is 4TFlops per chip. I know you can't just use a RAW TFlop number as a real-world measurement, but say they have to cut it back by half due to power constraints. They're still over the PS4's 1.84. We could go back and forth on these numbers all day, but until the final specs are released, it's all speculation. All I'm pretty sure of is that it's Pascal based. It should perform very well.

I'm with you on the Kinect and PS Move, less so but still see your point on the Wii U, however, the Switch isn't like that at all. It's a portable like any other, (only a lot more powerful) and also functions as a home console when docked. That's not a goofy weather-report-ball-wand-controller, it's not a camera add on, it's a full featured console that can be used on the go or at home to similar effect. I really don't see how you can group that into the same class. It has "real" controllers if you want that, interchangeable ones for when it's portable, etc. There's nothing but good things there.

You're welcome to disagree. Not dismissing your opinion. I just completely disagree.
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*hugs*
 
Seems like many of the games coming out for it are coming to the WiiU as well including the new Zelda game, so unless you have an urge to do heavy portible play I dont see the point in getting one at launch yet.
 
RaZoRbLaDeD said:
Seems like many of the games coming out for it are coming to the WiiU as well including the new Zelda game, so unless you have an urge to do heavy portible play I dont see the point in getting one at launch yet.
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I think just Zelda is the only game coming out for both platforms. I'm sure (hope!) we'll see a nice software selection at launch.
 
J3RK said:
I'm with you on the Kinect and PS Move, less so but still see your point on the Wii U, however, the Switch isn't like that at all. It's a portable like any other, (only a lot more powerful) and also functions as a home console when docked. That's not a goofy weather-report-ball-wand-controller, it's not a camera add on, it's a full featured console that can be used on the go or at home to similar effect. I really don't see how you can group that into the same class. It has "real" controllers if you want that, interchangeable ones for when it's portable, etc. There's nothing but good things there.
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I'd disagree that it's a "full featured" console. It's a gaming tablet without touch capability. The dock is for charging and TV output only. As such, the gaming experience will be hamstrung by portability and battery life, meaning pixel pushing power will be constrained compared to a console that remains plugged in. Unless they get into some under/overclocking complexity like 30FPS when on battery and 60FPS when plugged in.

I do hope it finds its footing though. But I reckon Nintendo faces an uphill battle now selling babygames to the crumb crunchers in this new era of Minecraft running on mommy's old iPad.
 
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J3RK said:
You're welcome to disagree. Not dismissing your opinion. I just completely disagree
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Oh I know. No worries. I just hope that the devs don't ditch the switch as quickly as it seemed they did the Wii U - I thought it had potential with the tablet concept. Maybe the plethora of 3DS devs will work on the switch games since it seems to be a portable console?
 
DPI said:
I'd disagree that it's a "full featured" console. It's a gaming tablet without touch capability. The dock is for charging and TV output only. As such, the gaming experience will be hamstrung by portability and battery life, meaning pixel pushing power will be constrained compared to a console that remains plugged in. Unless they get into some under/overclocking complexity like 30FPS when on battery and 60FPS when plugged in.

I do hope it finds its footing though. But I reckon Nintendo faces an uphill battle now selling babygames to the crumb crunchers in this new era of Minecraft running on mommy's old iPad.
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The dock doesn't need to do more than that.

It also supports multitouch capacitive for the portable screen.

The rest of that is speculation.
 
that controller is something else it looks cool enough where you would want to try it out. But the games will decide the fate of the system.
 
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-27-nintendo-switch-has-a-6-2-multi-touch-screen

720p screen, wouldn't surprise me if nintendo just sticks with 720p output as well. Its not like Nintendo games are know for their detail, most of the games are mostly solid colors and textureless anyways.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-11-01-nintendo-to-end-wii-u-production-this-week

Leading up to this reveal they have stated multiple times that the nx (switch) would not replace the wiiu and would coexist. Their actions speak otherwise, or maybe they have enough stock to last another 5 years.
In any case i would hope the switch is more powerful or at least as powerful as the wiiu, having a downgrade for a new console wouldn't go over well.
 
Let's hope it is the predicted to be the 3x iperformance as the Wii U as rumored.

It wouldn't make sense otherwise. If it were WiiU level of performance the next
Nintendo DS would likely be about the same performance wise... meaning those couldn't
co-exist either.
 
$250 would be excellent. $300 would be quite acceptable. $350 would be about as high as I'd be willing to go, but that's definitely at the high side. One way or another, I'll be grabbing one the minute I can. Pretty excited about it. If they come in at $250 though, I might buy two. One for myself, and one for the living room that the kids can use separately.

What I'm really curious about now though is if they're revamping their online network. I had heard that they were working on it, but that was a LONG time ago. They really need to have an account system. I've purchased a lot of digital content from them that's all tied to each system, and this is about the only thing I feel they need to catch up on.
 
$250 makes sense if they want these things to fly off the shelves. My gut tells me it will sell for $300.
 
Dan said:
250 its a instant purchase.... 300 is a instant purchase.
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Same here. At $329-$349 I'd have to give it 5-10 minutes of thought, and then I would hesitate for a moment. Then... I'd probably purchase it instantly after that anyway, but only after the thought and hesitation stages. :D $250 though, and I can't see any reason these wouldn't sell like crazy.

In fact, $250 for the system, base, and basic controls would be perfect. I have a feeling if this thing sells, they'll have a ton of peripheral sales for it. I know I'd want a pair of "Pro" controllers for the living room, various configurations of buttons and analog sliders for the portable, etc. This form factor has the potential to make a lot of money off of the add-ons. I do worry about the sliding mechanism for the controls. I'd hate to see those get sloppy. Replaceable rails for that would be a cool idea to prevent that.

I don't plan on changing configs unnecessarily, but I imagine I'll be swapping things around a bit here and there.
 
my kids are still sub 5 YO, I plan on buying a second base so i can bounce between my living room and bedroom TV... if im not playing with my wife I'll be on the switch.

oh yea and every other accessory
 
While Nintendo moving to one platform is going to be great from a software perspective. (Twice the amount of first party titles) I'm a bit sad that we likely won't have a future Gameboy type system. While the switch is 'portable' I personally think it's to big to be truly considered a portable system. I also don't imagine it has the 10+ hour battery life that the 3DSXL has. I like having a smaller system like the 3DS w/ it's long battery life for portable gaming. A tablet is not pocket portable.

So who knows, maybe Nintendo will release a switch 'mini' that is smaller and plays the same games but at a vastly reduced resolution so they can have a smaller device. Otherwise to me the switch will be used 100% as a console since I can't be bothered to carry a tablet around.

Also I think it's a shame that they didn't utilize the increased horsepower of the new 3ds all that much. I'd have liked to see a good number of first party titles released that actually made use of the additional speed of the new 3ds or at least had Nintendo go back and releases patches for all their games to use the increased power of the new 3ds.
 
RaZoRbLaDeD said:
Seems like many of the games coming out for it are coming to the WiiU as well including the new Zelda game, so unless you have an urge to do heavy portible play I dont see the point in getting one at launch yet.
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I can't imagine Nintendo making the same mistake they made for the fractured 3DS and WiiU launches w/ almost no first party titles. If you notice the WiiU and 3DS release schedules Nintendo has pretty much stopped further first party development on both systems. The WiiU has been done pretty much all year, and the 3DS hasn't gotten many decent first party titles this year either besides Kirby Planet Roboto which given it's short length was obviously rammed out the door. Pokémon is a big release - But it's not first party. I'd venture to say they plan on having a decent game selection for the Switch at release based off the lack of decent first party releases all this year for both platforms. 3DS continues to receive some great third party titles like the re-done Dragon Quest's, Pokémon, etc but that isn't taking time away from the Nintendo divisions. It is very likely every single Nintendo development division is 100% full bore on the Switch at this point, and they have been since at least this summer.
 
Mchart said:
I can't imagine Nintendo making the same mistake they made for the fractured 3DS and WiiU launches w/ almost no first party titles. If you notice the WiiU and 3DS release schedules Nintendo has pretty much stopped further first party development on both systems. The WiiU has been done pretty much all year, and the 3DS hasn't gotten many decent first party titles this year either besides Kirby Planet Roboto which given it's short length was obviously rammed out the door. Pokémon is a big release - But it's not first party. I'd venture to say they plan on having a decent game selection for the Switch at release based off the lack of decent first party releases all this year for both platforms. 3DS continues to receive some great third party titles like the re-done Dragon Quest's, Pokémon, etc but that isn't taking time away from the Nintendo divisions. It is very likely every single Nintendo development division is 100% full bore on the Switch at this point, and they have been since at least this summer.
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Because they will purposely gimp the wii-u versions... or just cancel them at the last minute. Don't trust nintendo.
 
Verge said:
Because they will purposely gimp the wii-u versions... or just cancel them at the last minute. Don't trust nintendo.
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What wii-u versions? There are no wii-u versions. That's the point. Even 3DS has basically been dead for first party support since the summer, and Super Mario Maker 3DS is the last remaining first party title for the 3DS.

This means all the console development teams at Nintendo have been grinding away at Switch titles since late 2015/early 2016, and the large majority of the mobile development teams at Nintendo have been working on the switch since the summer.
 
Mchart said:
What wii-u versions? There are no wii-u versions. That's the point. Even 3DS has basically been dead for first party support since the summer, and Super Mario Maker 3DS is the last remaining first party title for the 3DS.

This means all the console development teams at Nintendo have been grinding away at Switch titles since late 2015/early 2016, and the large majority of the mobile development teams at Nintendo have been working on the switch since the summer.
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I'll probably buy one, but because I waste money often. However, if all the games are kiddie bullshit with no challenge at all, it will be my last straw with Nintendo. Hopefully they are realizing core gamers don't like that vanilla crap. Implement a difficulty setting or something!
 
Anyone have any insight into when Nintendo is going to announce pricing and/or make pre-orders available?
I'm trying to turn this into a Christmas gift, but it's looking like that's probably not going to be an option if they don't hurry up.
 
Domingo said:
Anyone have any insight into when Nintendo is going to announce pricing and/or make pre-orders available?
I'm trying to turn this into a Christmas gift, but it's looking like that's probably not going to be an option if they don't hurry up.
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They're not releasing any more info until an event being held sometime in January.
 
There was a rumor that it would be around $250 but you'll have to wait until January for anything official.
 
At this point, I'm on the hook for anything under $300 for sure. The only exception would be if the system is sold very bare bones and it ends up costing $300 plus an additional $100+ for things that like 99% of buyers will want/need.
 
Domingo said:
At this point, I'm on the hook for anything under $300 for sure. The only exception would be if the system is sold very bare bones and it ends up costing $300 plus an additional $100+ for things that like 99% of buyers will want/need.
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Ugh, for 250 i'll probably buy one.

frick nintendo for lying about the wii-u
frick nintendo for lying about zelda
frick nintendo for artificially creating product shortages
frick nintendo for making their games easy as hell


and yet i'll still probably give them money. That thing looks pretty slick right!
 
In all honesty, I'm not sure if I like it or not. I'd still rather have an uber-powerful Nintendo console on par with the PS4 Pro or Scorpio. Or even better, the Nintendo franchises on those systems.
I don't care about the portable aspect all that much, but having a legit full-powered version of Mario Kart or Smash on the go does have some appeal. What I care more about are the must-have Nintendo franchises and them needing to hit things out of the park to stay relevant.
At $300, I'm okay with taking one more chance on them. Anything more and I'm not sure.
 
My opinion is they also need to come out with a Nintendo Switch Pro edition for $450.00.
Yes i'd buy it.

Things i'd like to see:

-OLED screen.
-tightened up graphics
 
Domingo said:
In all honesty, I'm not sure if I like it or not. I'd still rather have an uber-powerful Nintendo console on par with the PS4 Pro or Scorpio. Or even better, the Nintendo franchises on those systems.
I don't care about the portable aspect all that much, but having a legit full-powered version of Mario Kart or Smash on the go does have some appeal. What I care more about are the must-have Nintendo franchises and them needing to hit things out of the park to stay relevant.
At $300, I'm okay with taking one more chance on them. Anything more and I'm not sure.
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That actually is not a concern to myself. I would prefer a story and gameplay over how the game looks. I dunno, just me though.
 
FrEaKy said:
That actually is not a concern to myself. I would prefer a story and gameplay over how the game looks. I dunno, just me though.
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Me too, however the switch doesn't look like it compromises on either, so....
 
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