AMD in Trouble? RX 480 Powergate

Peaks/spikes are a common thing, and that's the reason why i think this issue won't be enforced legally (well, someone crazy can fire a lawsuit, but crazies gon craze).
Peaks/pikes are normal... but the 960 and 750ti shown have larger than normal spikes, and they fall far outside of spec..

This is likely more damaging than a more consistent higher-than-spec draw, which is the point being made... If the concern is about component damage, the 750ti should have risen far more alarms.
 
Peaks/pikes are normal... but the 960 and 750ti shown have larger than normal spikes, and they fall far outside of spec..

This is likely more damaging than a more consistent higher-than-spec draw, which is the point being made... If the concern is about component damage, the 750ti should have risen far more alarms.

I think both cards are fine. I think everyone is making a huge deal out of nothing. It only came to light because it's AMD. This was a non-issue with other Nvidia cards (before the 480 was released).

But since its AMD. We have to talk negative about them.
 
I think both cards are fine. I think everyone is making a huge deal out of nothing. It only came to light because it's AMD. This was a non-issue with other Nvidia cards (before the 480 was released).

But since its AMD. We have to talk negative about them.
It only came to light because it was a card everyone talked about last few weeks, having negativity, reasonable statements (like said problem being irrelevant attorney-wise and builder-wise but being relevant in cases someone cheaps out on componentry) and blind hype (1500 on air, anyone?) is expected.

Also, source for pre-480 cards with same issue?
Why the fuck weren't people this outraged when myself and others got ripped off on the 970 GTX? I paid for a 4GB card and had a usable 3.5GB. To me thats a bigger fucking deal then this.
People were not outraged on RoPs/Cache story? Also, you paid for 4gb, you got 4gb in chips, all fair /sarcasm (yes, i do think nV fucked up on that, but card was good enough to salvage that anyways).

Also, for me the fact that this card can cause my house to catch a fire because it overloads my PSU with it's claimed by some vendors 110W power consumption, is a big fucking deal.
 
Why the fuck weren't people this outraged when myself and others got ripped off on the 970 GTX? I paid for a 4GB card and had a usable 3.5GB. To me thats a bigger fucking deal then this.

Then go make a reddit thread about it! :p
 
It only came to light because it was a card everyone talked about last few weeks, having negativity, reasonable statements (like said problem being irrelevant attorney-wise and builder-wise but being relevant in cases someone cheaps out on componentry) and blind hype (1500 on air, anyone?) is expected.

Also, source for pre-480 cards with same issue?

People were not outraged on RoPs/Cache story? Also, you paid for 4gb, you got 4gb in chips, all fair /sarcasm (yes, i do think nV fucked up on that, but card was good enough to salvage that anyways).

Also, for me the fact that this card can cause my house to catch a fire because it overloads my PSU with it's claimed by some vendors 110W power consumption, is a big fucking deal.

I paid for a usabe 4GB. Not 4GB onboard.

I didn't pay for extra memory not being used.

Stop trying to make an issue about power bullshit when both Companies do it. If you are going to bitch about AMD, Bitch about Nvidia
 
I paid for a usabe 4GB. Not 4GB onboard.

I didn't pay for extra memory not being used.

Stop trying to make an issue about power bullshit when both Companies do it. If you are going to bitch about AMD, Bitch about Nvidia
Look, because i have fun with memory when it's irrelevant in bigger picture about nV lying: where in your purchase it's stated that 4gb is usable?


When did Nvidia sell a card that violated PCI-E recommendation on power consumption? Hell, they sold reference 970 with dual 6-pins.

Hell, when did Nvidia sell a card with TDP that only specified ASIC power consumption!?

I'll give you that both companies lie, you are correct here (and while we're at it, the biggest lie in 970 was RoP/cache lie).

Because nvidia chills are really scared of 480, and what it can do to the marked, beside isnt it kinda like this with evry radeon lounch, find a thing to pic on, then evryone knows more how bad this is :)

Listen, in place of any nvidia shill i would relax and shill out because AMD apparently does not have another Hawaii in them, all they are left with are Tongas and Fijis.
 
Look, because i have fun with memory when it's irrelevant in bigger picture about nV lying: where in your purchase it's stated that 4gb is usable?


When did Nvidia sell a card that violated PCI-E recommendation on power consumption? Hell, they sold reference 970 with dual 6-pins.

Hell, when did Nvidia sell a card with TDP that only specified ASIC power consumption!?

I'll give you that both companies lie, you are correct here (and while we're at it, the biggest lie in 970 was RoP/cache lie).



Listen, in place of any nvidia shill i would relax and shill out because AMD apparently does not have another Hawaii in them, all they are left with are Tongas and Fijis.

Jesus christ you almost sound like me. Spot on :p
 
Because nvidia chills are really scared of 480, and what it can do to the marked, beside isnt it kinda like this with evry radeon lounch, find a thing to pic on, then evryone knows more how bad this is :)

Yea so since this is about the issue with both camps. I started a new thread in the general video card forums. Since both companies do it. Lets see what everyone says.

This is an issue with both camps, not just AMD.
 
Yea so since this is about the issue with both camps. I started a new thread in the general video card forums. Since both companies do it. Lets see what everyone says.

This is an issue with both camps, not just AMD.

Shots fired. Gtx 1080 with its 40w avg draw and 60w spikes must be taken off shelves

#JusticeForMobo
 
Why the fuck weren't people this outraged when myself and others got ripped off on the 970 GTX? I paid for a 4GB card and had a usable 3.5GB. To me thats a bigger fucking deal then this.

To be honest a portion of all video card memory is dedicated to desktop. That last 512Megs went to that from what I understand. That's a pretty darn large chunk though dedicated to desktop and cache I grant you, so yes it was misleading. And plenty of people were pissed about the 3.5/4GB scandal.
 
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Best part about your new title is that nobody sees your posts, just *****
 
did someone really just compare 3.5/4 gb to a situation that can destroy your MB and where 100% using the card will void your MB warranty . seriously?

do people really can't grasp the difference between sustain and peak? they can't understand why for example a short of burst of radiation is ok, but sustained gives you cancer? that if you stick your finger in boiling water, you will get a burn that will heal, but if you bathe in it you are going to die or perhaps why hurricanes are classified by sustained winds not Gusts, why physical objects including the human body and motherboards can tolerate sort periods where they are under stress beyond specifications, but collapse under a sustain period beyond spec. Is this a fan boy thing or just a general failure of education and/or common sense?
 
But since its AMD. We have to talk negative about them.
If this were happening to the new GTX 1060, you think the internet would be silent about it? Did you miss RAM-gate, async-gate, GameWorks-gate all during 2015 alone?
People love their pitchforks regardless of who is involved.
 
Ram-gate did nothing Nvidia said fuck you. Async-gate did nothing. Nvidia still hasnt released the Async compute drivers they promissed for MAxwell). Gameworks-gate is still running strong and fucking users over (of both camps).

Yea a lot of good it did.
 
If this were happening to the new GTX 1060, you think the internet would be silent about it? Did you miss RAM-gate, async-gate, GameWorks-gate all during 2015 alone?
People love their pitchforks regardless of who is involved.

We keep companies honest. :-D
 
Ram-gate did nothing Nvidia said fuck you. Async-gate did nothing. Nvidia still hasnt released the Async compute drivers they promissed for MAxwell). Gameworks-gate is still running strong and fucking users over (of both camps).

Yea a lot of good it did.
Has anything good come of this yet? Will anything good come from it?

Ram-gate did nothing Nvidia said fuck you.
Did you see AMD's response? Let me summarize Robert Hallock: "Fuck you."
 
If this were happening to the new GTX 1060, you think the internet would be silent about it? Did you miss RAM-gate, async-gate, GameWorks-gate all during 2015 alone?
People love their pitchforks regardless of who is involved.


One big difference none of these affect other components in your system. Its all on nV, and also ram gate is still going on.
 
Has anything good come of this yet? Will anything good come from it?


Did you see AMD's response? Let me summarize Robert Hallock: "Fuck you."

Yes robert hallock (amd robert) was fucking annoying in the reddit thread, misdirection with the 110W value... Really >_> How does he think this shit will fly, we have like 10 reviews measuring 160+W lol
 
Yes robert hallock (amd robert) was fucking annoying in the reddit thread, misdirection with the 110W value... Really >_> How does he think this shit will fly, we have like 10 reviews measuring 160+W lol


hey its marketing shit always flies lol
 
One big difference none of these affect other components in your system. Its all on nV, and also ram gate is still going on.
It should be called cache gate, no matter how you spin it, calling it a 256b bus with 4GB ram and "up to" 224GB/s is 100% technically correct
 
now an honest question? even being out of tolerance....how much over would it take to truly cause damage? As in almost all engineers would give a design to handle a bit extra
Why the fuck weren't people this outraged when myself and others got ripped off on the 970 GTX? I paid for a 4GB card and had a usable 3.5GB. To me thats a bigger fucking deal then this.
because certain trolls where not hear back then and you know who im talking about
 
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It should be called cache gate, no matter how you spin it, calling it a 256b bus with 4GB ram and "up to" 224GB/s is 100% technically correct


well they also have the problem of the ROP counts which was out right.
 
now an honest question? even being out of tolerance....how much over would it take to truly cause damage? As in almost all engineers would give a desighn

because certain trolls where not hear back then and you know who im talking about


Its not a matter of it will, or won't, its might not happen in the short term, but in the long term it might happen, its a matter of risk and what the system builders will accept as risk from their end.
 
One big difference none of these affect other components in your system. Its all on nV, and also ram gate is still going on.
A bigger differnce is that if the card is non-compliant with the PCI Express standard but is using the PCI Express logo and is marketed as a PCI Express card, NVidia may have standing and cause to ask the US International Trade Commission and the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol to block the importation of the card, including potentially seizing and even destroying the cards when they arrive in the US.

If the card is non-compliant, AMD appears to have three months to get it fixed before this particular hammer can be brought down.

Telling the people they are getting 4GB when they are only getting 3.5GB, for example, doesn't create the possibility of this scenario arrising. Improper use of a trademark like PCI Express looks like it does.

Disclaimer: I am not a trademark attorney. Don't rely on this as legal advice - consult an attorney. This posting does not create an attorney-client relationship.
 
Why the fuck weren't people this outraged when myself and others got ripped off on the 970 GTX? I paid for a 4GB card and had a usable 3.5GB. To me thats a bigger fucking deal then this.
Did you forget how to read during that time? There were multiple threads about it and people bitching.
 
now an honest question? even being out of tolerance....how much over would it take to truly cause damage? As in almost all engineers would give a desighn

because certain trolls where not hear back then and you know who im talking about

Yeah. God damned trolls. Good old times when they weren't here.

Did you forget how to read during that time? There were multiple threads about it and people bitching.

I was accused of being a "pedantic cunt" for caring about misrepresented cache and rop counts, meanwhile people went apeshit over totally 100% correct "4gb 256b ram, 224Gb/s"
 
A bigger differnce is that if the card is non-compliant with the PCI Express standard but is using the PCI Express logo and is marketed as a PCI Express card, NVidia may have standing and cause to ask the US International Trade Commission and the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol to block the importation of the card, including potentially seizing and even destroying the cards when they arrive in the US.

If the card is non-compliant, AMD appears to have three months to get it fixed before this particular hammer can be brought down.

Telling the people they are getting 4GB when they are only getting 3.5GB, for example, doesn't create the possibility of this scenario arrising. Improper use of a trademark like PCI Express looks like it does.

Disclaimer: I am not a trademark attorney. Don't rely on this as legal advice - consult an attorney. This posting does not create an attorney-client relationship.
Well, the thing here is that AMD can do the same about nV since both are dirty (spikes above 75W are prohibited, and nV has such cards as well). So neither side will bother.
 
Well, the thing here is that AMD can do the same about nV since both are dirty (spikes above 75W are prohibited, and nV has such cards as well). So neither side will bother.


It's not that big of a deal and apparently no one cared or batted an eyelash when it was NV. But now, the world is going to end for AMD. Seriously though, we should all stop posting until we get a solid statement from AMD.
 
A bigger differnce is that if the card is non-compliant with the PCI Express standard but is using the PCI Express logo and is marketed as a PCI Express card, NVidia may have standing and cause to ask the US International Trade Commission and the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol to block the importation of the card, including potentially seizing and even destroying the cards when they arrive in the US.

If the card is non-compliant, AMD appears to have three months to get it fixed before this particular hammer can be brought down.

Telling the people they are getting 4GB when they are only getting 3.5GB, for example, doesn't create the possibility of this scenario arrising. Improper use of a trademark like PCI Express looks like it does.

Disclaimer: I am not a trademark attorney. Don't rely on this as legal advice - consult an attorney. This posting does not create an attorney-client relationship.


I don't' see it going that far, if there is truly a problem, AMD can fix it quickly.
 
Well, the thing here is that AMD can do the same about nV since both are dirty (spikes above 75W are prohibited, and nV has such cards as well). So neither side will bother.
Please provide a reference showng that a current-generation GTX 10X0 card violates the terms of the PCI Express licensing agreement.
Because I dount that NVidia cares whether importation of the being-discontinued GTX 9X0 cards and earlier is blocked.
 
I don't' see it going that far, if there is truly a problem, AMD can fix it quickly.
I suspect they cannot fix it without lowering the performance of the cards or redesigning the board to use an 8-pin aux power connector.
 
I suspect they cannot fix it without lowering the performance of the cards or redesigning the board to use an 8-pin aux power connector.

If the power distribution can be controlled from bios like on Maxwell they can simply offload the extra load onto the 6pin, which is still out of spec, but not dangerous
 
Please provide a reference showng that a current-generation GTX 10X0 card violates the terms of the PCI Express licensing agreement.
Because I dount that NVidia cares whether importation of the being-discontinued GTX 9X0 cards and earlier is blocked.
You are correct that current generation does not have such problem yet, and i did have that in mind when i wrote it.

I am borderline certain that nV will only use a single 6-pin for 1060 and so it will have above 75W spikes. But of course, that's nothing but an expectation, rather than a fact, so you are correct that if nV wanted to force it, they could with little consequence.
I suspect they cannot fix it without lowering the performance of the cards or redesigning the board to use an 8-pin aux power connector.
As was said before, Maxwell had power distribution exposed in BIOS. AMD cards probably do as well. Now, the interesting part here is that even if it will be fixed with power redistribution, it will still violate PCI-E spec for 6-pin. That's entirely unconsequential on decent PSUs, but AMD are already vulnerable to lawsuits about 110W claim for rx480, because it can easily cause a fire for a mainstream noob with "450W" PSU like myself a year ago.
 
This thread is a perfect example of what length trolls are willing to go to.
Leldra and razor1 have absolutely no intention of buying the product. They are seizing an opportunity to nail AMD. They would never have been effected by any accused problem (which I absolutely don't believe exist) but choose to continue this which hunt solidly for two days straight now under the guise of "protecting other people from potentially damaged motherboards" which is ridiculous.
 
This thread is a perfect example of what length trolls are willing to go to.

Leldra and razor1 have absolutely no intention of buying the product. They are seizing an opportunity to nail AMD. They would never have been effected by any accused problem (which I absolutely don't believe exist) but choose to continue this which hunt solidly for two days straight now under the guise of "protecting other people from potentially damaged motherboards" which is ridiculous.

I have r****1 on ignore...just keep reporting them. Responding will only get both of you in trouble.

They'll eventually get taken care if nothing other than "too much moderation needed".
 
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Maxwell had power distribution exposed in BIOS. AMD cards probably do as well.
They might, but that kind of flexibility may increase your BoM costs, which is more of an issue for a low end card than for a high-end one.
I won't be surprised if the RX 480 doesn't have that capability, but as you say, it might.
 
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