How Much Does Kyle Hate AMD?

Derangel said:
I think a lot of it has to do with people simply not used to someone being so blunt about things. We're taught to always be nice or keep our mouths shut if we don't have anything nice to say, we're expected to constantly be polite. So when you talk to someone that is incredibly blunt it's a shock to a lot of people. Combine that with how easy it is to misread emotion in text and it can create a false impression of a person and their intentions.
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tell me about misreading emotion in text. Have gotten yelled at plenty of times by my girl, WTF I didn't mean it like that situation. LOL
 
NKD said:
tell me about misreading emotion in text. Have gotten yelled at plenty of times by my girl, WTF I didn't mean it like that situation. LOL
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I know how that goes. Friends always excuse me of being "distant" in conversations since my responses are usually direct and straight to the point. Generally with as few words as possible.
 
I am sorry Steve, but I don't believe your post one bit. Kyle is only a dick sometimes? ;) That doesn't sound like the Kyle we know. :)
 
Steve said:
So the hot topic of the day is "how much does Kyle hate AMD?" Well, the truth of the matter is that none of us at [H] hate AMD. I know, I know, that may be disappointing to anyone looking for controversy but that's just the way it is. In fact, not too long ago, we were accused of being "AMD fanboys" after this video hit the internet. At the end of the day, we will do what we always do, evaluate hardware based on its merits, give you our thoughts and opinions and let you decide what is right for you. And yes, Kyle even writes scathing editorials from time to time that gets folks all riled up. I have been trying to get him to stop that but he can be a dick sometimes. :D
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Sometimes??? Pretty sure you meant he is a dick all the time! In all seriousness, people are dumb, totally come to the wrong conclusion after reading his editorial. If anything, I think all of us here would want the old ATI back when they give a shit about releasing a stellar product at a good price!
 
Whether right or wrong, getting posted about on Reddit is as bad for you as President Obama has been bad for gun manufacturers. How much are ad impressions up?
 
I remember AMD was the bomb back in 2000-2004
Athlon FX series blew away every intel chip made prior to the core 2 duo,

Radeon /AMD cards had the best performance and visually were better right after voodoo cards were bought out by nvidia....

If AMD could only make new motherboards and video cards to take advantage of the HBM I would switch now. Think about it all AMD has to do is bring out a faster , cheaper solution than NVLINK right now which is not released or will be in the next 12 montrhs. AMD just needs to come up with a way to exchange data from the processor /ram to the video card bus . I do not see why they can not do this if they own AMD processors and create video cards... and Give us 4k at 60-120fps on a single card solution under 399.99.. I would not care if it ran hot or had the power usage of a 980 ti /titan x..

another issue is I think most PC games suck they way they are programmed .. all console ports practically with very minor changes . This could be another reason ..
Nvidia is just milking us with bs upgrades.
sorry
had to rant about the incompetence of current engineering of AMD products
 
Byle_Kennett said:
I don't think it's hate.. I think it's just disappointment.
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I agree 100% here, by AMD failing it is the consumer that is losing out. Healthy competition and products that are close to performance and pricing bring innovation and savings to the consumer.

I want AMD to succeed and I feel that the majority of the people that care about hardware want them to succeed as well! But at the end of the day, when we go to the store and we look at the best performance, there is no other choice right now.
 
As a long time reader, I'm not sure why anyone thinks Kyle or anyone else hates AMD or Intel. I can remember when they were hot on AMD CPUs and GPUs. It's been a long time on the CPUs (and with good reason). It's also been few cycles that they've been more excited by Nvidia. If you read what they write, it's clear they're rooting for AMD, but they just haven't fully executed in the last few years. Not every review is relevant to me and I'm sure they screw up occasionally, but I never doubt their integrity. If they prove me wrong, then I'll be critical, but I generally think they've been on the side of honest rigorous testing for at least 10 years (probably longer, but i'm old and my memory hasn't been upgraded in a long time.
 
Whether Kyle is right or wrong about his behavior towards AMD, the only thing AMD's actions have done in response is tell me that I need to buy an Nvidia product this time around.

My stance has nothing to do with Kyle's actions. It has everything to do with the fact that [H] has always explained the good, bad, and the ugly about everything they review. Anyone who makes anything that falls under what [H] reviews is aware of this. Yes this place may be a bit more blunt about it than other sites, but the lack of bullshit is appreciated by those of us who actually want the honest truth about what we are about to throw our money down on. If I owned a company and I knew a site like [H] was reviewing my products, I'd actually appreciate the input, good or bad, because knowing where my product stands lets me know what things about my product are great, and what needs to be improved upon in the next revision, especially if I have competition that I cannot afford to lose market-share to.
 
Dew said:
Seems to me that the one making the assertions that Kyle said something should be able to provide evidence of said quotes. That last quote is the one that I can point to where it came from, but it is a lazy and inaccurate paraphrase at best. Surely if you are going to continue making claims about things Kyle has said, you have evidence to back up your assertions. Right?
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You mean the part about Polaris being hot and power hungry?

That was his recent Editorial. About AMD spinning off RTG to be sold off..
 
I think maybe Scott Wasson is logging in as an alias or 2 and posting malarkey. Maybe an /s maybe not.
 
jamesgalb said:
AMD has sold like shit... But based strictly on performance they have not done bad...

Their last generation was a marketing flop, but was not bad at all...


-2 out of 3 of AMDs top chips were actually new, the Fiji and Tonga, yet talk was all about 're-brand-gate'
-$600+ was dominated by nVidia, obiously.
-$400-$550 - AMD had the better selections with the faster Fury or cheaper 390x
-$300-$350 - AMD had the slightly/debatably better card with the 390
-$200-$250 - AMD had the better card with the 380x, and the 380 was priced slightly better than the 960 at equal performance
-$100-$150 - nVidias 950 beat the 370, but AMDs 360 beat the 750ti
-Mini-ITX - AMD had the Nano and 380 and nVidia had the 970 and 960, AMDs advantage imo.
-Low-Pro/Pow- nVidia won this with the low-pro 750ti and low-power 950

Point being... With the right card Branding (make the Fury the 390 and shift the rest down) and Marketing, as well as a decently timed release, the 300 series wouldnt have been the flop it became... But, perception dictates reality, and their horrible branding, marketing and image reflected in their sales volume (hence why I like to combat FUD when I see it)...
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That is true the delay of 9 months hurt them big time, but them being crazy heaters didn't help them either. The same performance of a gtx 980 at pretty much double the wattage, that was something reviewers/OEM's couldn't overlook. cause your base system cost increases. All their cards were like that, in every segment, outside of the Fury line, which performance was just not equal with some higher power consumption.
 
razor1 said:
That is true the delay of 9 months hurt them big time, but them being crazy heaters didn't help them either. The same performance of a gtx 980 at pretty much double the wattage, that was something reviewers/OEM's couldn't overlook. cause your base system cost increases. All their cards were like that, in every segment, outside of the Fury line, which performance was just not equal with some higher power consumption.
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The 380, 370 and 360 were all pretty decent at heat. They werent quite at Maxwell level, but they were big improvements over the 200 series.

It was putting the x90s back at the x90 labeling, that really killed them imo... Release date hurt just as bad... Add in that 'flagship' came up short by not having 8gb or HDMI2, and the generation was a complete tank when it really didnt need to be.
 
Steve said:
So the hot topic of the day is "how much does Kyle hate AMD?" Well, the truth of the matter is that none of us at [H] hate AMD. I know, I know, that may be disappointing to anyone looking for controversy but that's just the way it is. In fact, not too long ago, we were accused of being "AMD fanboys" after this video hit the internet. At the end of the day, we will do what we always do, evaluate hardware based on its merits, give you our thoughts and opinions and let you decide what is right for you. And yes, Kyle even writes scathing editorials from time to time that gets folks all riled up. I have been trying to get him to stop that but he can be a dick sometimes. :D
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Huh?

My impression right or wrong:
  • Kyle hates to be BS and probably hates worst the idea of BSing someone else (Well I pretty much share that sentiment myself)
    • Remember from AMD "FuryX a OC dream" - not
    • Fiji for 4K gaming - need at least two and 4gb ram maybe an issue
  • HardOCP tests and evaluate the data and gives their best analysis of the results trying to ignore being lied to, prompted to go one way, ridiculed by Fanboys etc.
    • For example FuryX review: Harsh truth written bluntly against all the marketing hype/untruths/wonky setting benchmarks/promises
    • Nano: truly tested from the designer point against the competition fairly - a glowing review - best on the planet for that card
    • What both have in common is the truth from what the data represent. Doing a review right has nothing to do with loving one company over the other
The only weakness would be lack of time for a more in-debt review process (which is corrected over time by more reviews and testing so is covered in my humble opinion). Short on data points as in the number of games tested. This to me is more of the limitation of quality vs. quantity - HardOCP review process while not perfect is by far the best on the planet for Video Cards - Imagine, that actually playing a game for a gaming card, accurately recording results by person vice being oblivious to what is going on the screen and looking at a final number is actually more useful to humans for information. Imagine that.
 
jamesgalb said:
The 380, 370 and 360 were all pretty decent at heat. They werent quite at Maxwell level, but they were big improvements over the 200 series.
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heat yes not power usage. All of them were power guzzlers compared to their nV counter parts.
 
noko said:
Huh?

My impression right or wrong:
  • Kyle hates to be BS and probably hates worst the idea of BSing someone else (Well I pretty much share that sentiment myself)
    • Remember from AMD "FuryX a OC dream" - not
    • Fiji for 4K gaming - need at least two and 4gb ram maybe an issue
  • HardOCP tests and evaluate the data and gives their best analysis of the results trying to ignore being lied to, prompted to go one way, ridiculed by Fanboys etc.
    • For example FuryX review: Harsh truth written bluntly against all the marketing hype/untruths/wonky setting benchmarks/promises
    • Nano: truly tested from the designer point against the competition fairly - a glowing review - best on the planet for that card
    • What both have in common is the truth from what the data represent. Doing a review right has nothing to do with loving one company over the other
The only weakness would be lack of time for a more in-debt review process (which is corrected over time by more reviews and testing so is covered in my humble opinion). Short on data points as in the number of games tested. This to me is more of the limitation of quality vs. quantity - HardOCP review process while not perfect is by far the best on the planet for Video Cards - Imagine, that actually playing a game for a gaming card, accurately recording results by person vice being oblivious to what is going on the screen and looking at a final number is actually more useful to humans for information. Imagine that.
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LOL yeah that is exactly right, its like the difference between Cali people and NYC people, NYC people will tell ya to F off right to your face, Cali people will be nice and talk crap behind your back, I like the way NYC people are straight forward, at least I know where I stand.
 
razor1 said:
LOL yeah that is exactly right, its like the difference between Cali people and NYC people, NYC people will tell ya to F off right to your face, Cali people will be nice and talk crap behind your back, I like the way NYC people are straight forward, at least I know where I stand.
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errr, I grew up in California :bucktooth:
 
LOL sorry noko you surely don't fit that mold though which is good! You call me out which is good.
 
razor1 said:
LOL sorry noko you surely don't fit that mold though which is good! You call me out which is good.
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LOL
Born in Indiana, grew up in California, Woke up in the Navy while living elsewhere ;)
 
Really what shows the truth is when Kyle indicated that him and Brent for a review "All they need is the Card and the driver". Right there shows objectivity of what is really important. Going to those shows would be similar to poking your finger in your mouth a hundred times and wondering why you are puking. Still HardOCP may need to attend anyways and pry out any useful information, get contacts for further information when needed. Setting up a Ivy tower over time will get you off base as well.
 
noko said:
Really what shows the truth is when Kyle indicated that him and Brent for a review "All they need is the Card and the driver". Right there shows objectivity of what is really important. Going to those shows would be similar to poking your finger in your mouth a hundred times and wondering why you are puking. Still HardOCP may need to attend anyways and pry out any useful information, get contacts for further information when needed. Setting up a Ivy tower over time will get you off base as well.
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Not only that, setting up an ivory tower, that ivory tower will break.
 
Bahanime said:
You mean the part about Polaris being hot and power hungry?

That was his recent Editorial. About AMD spinning off RTG to be sold off..
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Yea, hot and hungry at the level of performance that AMD wants, which in my opinion Fury X level.
 
I will be honest here. You guys always post little jokes about how people think your either amd bias or and fan boys but I have never found either to be the truth. If the product is crap you simply call it like it is. I personally perfer AMD, I always liked ATI, but that has never stopped me from getting an Intel processor or nvidia card if it was the better choice. ATI 9500 to nvidia 6800 to ati 4850 to nvidia 460 sli to nvidia 670 to radeon 390. And I have never found the reviews on this site to be wrong on any of these cards or points. (Currently on i5 3570k and amd 390)

Do what you do, if the powers that be don't feel you treat you guys unfairly by not wanting to give you their products to review because they feel your unfair, and the commentors say your bias I would say forget about them and just keep doing what your doing, I always check here first for a product and I know others that do the same.
 
Bowman15 said:
You all laugh but a lot of people with lips not stuck to Kyle's ass are getting sick of this crap. Like he's mentioned to many of us on this forum himself, take it offline or pm and work it out. I'd like to discuss AMD products here without having to put up with snide comments or anti AMD posts spammed in every thread from his devoted followers. I'd like you guys to have a professional relationship with AMD, but that has to work both ways. I don't care who started it, lets just move on. Steve, thanks for giving us a platform to vent a little about it.
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lol thats the way it's been for years and has nothing to do with kyle. even when AMD CPU's were kicking intel's ass it was anti AMD pro intel bs on the AMD CPU sub forum as well. not to mention when everyone accused kyle and [H] of being ATi/AMD fanboy's, now that was hilarious to watch in the forums.. lets just say the AMD haters are a lot more vocal than the nvidia haters, you'll get use to it.
 
Whether he hates or not does not matter, as long as the reviews are right.

I have found my ATI card to be well ahead of the number posted here.

I have a 290 plain.

(*off the top of my head and out of A*S*)

I found it to be much better at 1080 than listed here. Where [H]ard would have one or two settings at ultra, and the rest high or medium(to get 30-45FPS), I can run my games "ultra" all the way(and stay above 45FPS mostly). (right now, GTA V w/sweet is running everything ultra, 1080, AA2x @60 FPS, DarkSouls3, same, Witcher 3, same. only rare drops to 45ish) And <downsampled>many at 4k.


The 290 is all I have now, but reading FURY reviews, like the Ashes multi part.......it beats almost all Nvidia @DX12, and it pure hurts [H]ard to admit it!!!


Come on man!!!
 
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I heard Kyle hated dogs, clearly he has a bias for cats.

I'm creating a Reddit about it, someone needs to stick up the clear injustice towards dogs.
 
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