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Be cool if they show something other than PowerPoint slides for the announcement.
Like a mock up? Maybe something with woodscrews.
Be cool if they show something other than PowerPoint slides for the announcement.
Like a mock up? Maybe something with woodscrews.
Slides leak again before NDA was supposed to expire. People will do anything for page hits these days
Heh I immediately thought of "woodscrews" as well
Mockups are fine, but that Fermi mockup was just, wtf was Jen-Hsun thinking?
AMD is just trying some things on the PR front
The news itself is ok , still would have to wait, then again if you are looking for instant gratification on AMD side of things that won't happen
Why make a worthless post like this?Okay, I saw "console caliber performance" and pretty much lost interest.
Why make a worthless post like this?
The full quote was "Console quality performance in a thin and light notebook".
Why make a worthless post like this?
The full quote was "Console quality performance in a thin and light notebook".
Ironically they forgot about the 970m thin and light notebooks out there lol
Those are made by AMD on finfet process too , never knew that ..
It will get pushed back to Q4.
Unlikely.It will get pushed back to Q4.
Unlikely.
I hope it will perform better than the 290s. Not getting the performance they boasted. Good, just not crazy
Well I mean the 290s were released what, over 2 years ago? What were you expecting? I definitely got the power they promised when I bought mine at release.I hope it will perform better than the 290s. Not getting the performance they boasted. Good, just not crazy
they did this with Fiji, and look how it turned out , seriously just slides, the GPU won't be ready for another 2Q's though, so the info is nice, hopefully the full deck will have something to chew on other than what we kinda already expected in those slides.
Be cool if they show something other than PowerPoint slides for the announcement.
AnandTech said:For their brief demonstration, RTG set up a pair of otherwise identical Core i7 systems running Star Wars Battlefront. The first system contained an early engineering sample Polaris card, while the other system had a GeForce GTX 950 installed (specific model unknown)
Lol.... they compared next gen hardware to a $150 old tech card? I wonder which was faster.
In the live press demonstration we saw the Polaris system average 88.1W while the GTX 950 system averaged 150W. Meanwhile in RTGs own official lab tests (and used in the slide above) they measured 86W and 140W respectively.
Both systems were running at 1080p Medium settings about right for a GTX 950 on the X-Wing map RTG used and generally hitting the 60fps V-sync limit.
They did show something else. They demoed a functioning Polaris video card.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9886/amd-reveals-polaris-gpu-architecture
Be cool if they show something other than PowerPoint slides for the announcement.
"Demonstrates" does not mean "talks about".
This was my first thought too when reading this AMD PR release was wondering when the definition of "demonstrate" changed. Think I'll go "demonstrate" i.e. talk about how I might at some poing go about the job, to my wife how I've fixed the leak in the sink -- that should go over well
In my dictionary demonstrates means showing a working example, and not speaking about what they hope it would be.
So what if they didn't reveal the innermost secrets of the Polaris architecture? Nobody expected them to. As I stated above, the Polaris card they demoed was simply to prove that AMD has working 14nm silicon and that it resulted in greatly reduced power consumption vs 28nm.
If AMD had simply released a press statement claiming to have produced a working Polaris based video card without showing it, most people here would have scoffed at them. In fact, some clueless people still assumed that's what happened!
GPU makers typically do not take a brand new process and attempt to use it with their flagship designs. Instead, they use a "pipe cleaner" lower end card to work out the kinks before starting production of more complex cards. The engineering sample Polaris card is undoubtedly a pipe cleaner and thus it is far too early to reliably infer production performance levels, which is why none were revealed. Final silicon may differ from what was shown at CES. Drivers will undoubtedly improve between now and release as well.
So what if they didn't reveal the innermost secrets of the Polaris architecture? Nobody expected them to. As I stated above, the Polaris card they demoed was simply to prove that AMD has working 14nm silicon and that it resulted in greatly reduced power consumption vs 28nm.
If AMD had simply released a press statement claiming to have produced a working Polaris based video card without showing it, most people here would have scoffed at them. In fact, some clueless people still assumed that's what happened!
GPU makers typically do not take a brand new process and attempt to use it with their flagship designs. Instead, they use a "pipe cleaner" lower end card to work out the kinks before starting production of more complex cards. The engineering sample Polaris card is undoubtedly a pipe cleaner and thus it is far too early to reliably infer production performance levels, which is why none were revealed. Final silicon may differ from what was shown at CES. Drivers will undoubtedly improve between now and release as well.
People just like bashing radeon tech/amd for no reason + trolling its no use trying to explain something here just read and move on.
In fairness it is both. AMD launched the 4770 on the 40nm process while the rest of the 4000 series was on 55nm to get a jump start for their next GPU revision.how old are you? You don't remember prior to the fx line form nV, did they have major issues with big GPU transitions to smaller newer nodes?
Creating smaller chips on a new smaller node, has very little do with "pipe cleaning" as you so aptly put. It has to do with smaller chips having better yields. During the manufacturing and growing of silicon crystals, errors tend to propagate at the edge of the wafer, so as you start producing larger chips, you get more chances of errors because there is more area per chip and of course more errors as you get closer to the outer circumference of the wafer per chip. Thus the chances of a fully functional chip is less. Now they will have to make changes in design, in libraries, in masks, in metal layers to decrease growth errors. This is why you have respins. This is also why chip designers make redundancies with the chip based on how the errors propagate.
Its not a simple as ok the small chip is good to go and we are getting sufficient yields so now we can do a big chip on the same process with out worrying about it.
Smaller nodes have less tolerance as well, so this is also a reason maturity takes longer.