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Which one makes you feel more secure, a driver that is carrying a sidearm or riding in a vehicle that has banned guns in cars?
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Uber Says No Guns In Cars
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TechLarry
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So you just lose access to services. Big deal.
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The only argument I have is that when announcing something is "gun free" you are basically making it a target now. It is clear as day with these mass shootings that have occurred they are pretty much all in "gun free" zones.
Yeah I feel so safe and comfortable knowing that only criminals are armed. God I hate it when people think that removing guns from a premise makes it "safer". It's just all feel good nonsense until someone bad comes in with a desire to do harm. Such shortsightedness.
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I am also glad that Uber has made this decision and now criminals will find another service to use!
A driver that is carrying a sidearm LEGALLY.
The second you know someone has a CHL, is the second you know that they have zero criminal history and have passed a background check with fingerprinting and no medical psychiatric issues and all that good stuff (providing the state requires that for CHLs like Texas does).
That's why cops in Texas know to relax when you show them your CHL, as you're basically pre-screened to not be a gang banger they have to worry about, and the crime rate for CHL holders is multitudes lower than the general population.
But far left neo-liberals don't usually use logic, they use what "feels right" emotionally. Guns kill people, therefor if there were no guns, then no one can be killed. Its retarded, but no one has ever accused the far left of thinking things through before.
The second you know someone has a CHL, is the second you know that they have zero criminal history and have passed a background check with fingerprinting and no medical psychiatric issues and all that good stuff (providing the state requires that for CHLs like Texas does).
That's why cops in Texas know to relax when you show them your CHL, as you're basically pre-screened to not be a gang banger they have to worry about, and the crime rate for CHL holders is multitudes lower than the general population.
But far left neo-liberals don't usually use logic, they use what "feels right" emotionally. Guns kill people, therefor if there were no guns, then no one can be killed. Its retarded, but no one has ever accused the far left of thinking things through before.
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In a lot of school shootings, the one that happened at the naval yard in DC, and other stuff that's happened recently, firearms were all legally purchased so there's really no evidence supporting the claim that legally acquired guns are somehow "safer" since a criminal only becomes a criminal after they've done something to warrant being labeled as such. It's better to just close that door altogether and prevent anyone from owning firearms except for law enforcement and military types because of the necessity nature of doing so for their professions.
That aside, whether or not someone is allowed to legally carry a weapon has nothing to do with a private company's policy regarding employees having them or declining to provide service to customers who insist on carrying around a gun. Businesses can refuse service for many different reasons and this is well within the scope of what they're allowed to do.
That aside, whether or not someone is allowed to legally carry a weapon has nothing to do with a private company's policy regarding employees having them or declining to provide service to customers who insist on carrying around a gun. Businesses can refuse service for many different reasons and this is well within the scope of what they're allowed to do.
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Uber drivers aren't employees though
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I kind of compare uber to mary kay sellers. But that is just my narrow view of things lol
None of them were CHL holders, so it was not legal carry, and besides most murders are committed with firearms that are illegally obtained. If you can't stop the trade of marijuana or illegal aliens in the United States, you're not going to stop the trade of illegal firearms.
Besides, mass murder-suicides are such a rare thing as to be completely out of proportion with regular violent crime in this country, which a CHL can protect you against. Mass murder-suicides are also typically ended by, yup, a good guy with a gun. Guns aren't bad, people are good and bad. And do you think that a little old 115 pound woman is going to stop a 230 pound rapist with a wag of her finger or martial arts?
Firearms are an equalizer, and there are so many more good law abiding citizens than criminals, and most criminal types have a history of behavior and those ARE the people we need to keep off the streets and disarm.
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Very colorful, but you're still incorrect.
If you really want to significantly reduce the amount of premature deaths, deport illegal aliens. The Department of Homeland Security estimates that illegals are around 15% of the prison population, and the numbers are far greater if you include first generation domestic born. Or if you're not worried about violent crime, then just tax ice cream and pizza with the same sin taxes as tobacco, since obesity related illnesses are now the number one cause of premature death. Now THAT would actually register on the numbers as actually significant and is something a computer would do looking at things logically... but ice cream FEELS good and guns FEEL scary to neo-liberals, so that would never take.
And if you feel safer about police officers having guns than CHL holders, how about the statistic that CHL holders are 1/3rd as likely to be convicted of murder charges than a police officer (who has a whole union and buddy cops to cover for him and sprinkle crack on a guy and drop a knife by his hand): http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/10/concealed-carry-permit-holders-are-one.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
13th worst in the world, between Mexico and Argentina. All the countries with the lowest numbers have the strongest gun control laws. I'm not saying that it's the only thing going on, but the correlation is pretty obvious. The only way to know for sure would be to copy Hong Kong's gun laws for a few years to see if it makes a difference.
We all know that's never going to happen and I'm not saying I think it's a good idea, but the USA is the only first-world country with very lax gun control and it's the only first-world country near the top of that gun crimes per capita list.
Would I feel safer if the driver had a gun? No, statistically the driver is the one most likely to rob you.
13th worst in the world, between Mexico and Argentina. All the countries with the lowest numbers have the strongest gun control laws. I'm not saying that it's the only thing going on, but the correlation is pretty obvious. The only way to know for sure would be to copy Hong Kong's gun laws for a few years to see if it makes a difference.
We all know that's never going to happen and I'm not saying I think it's a good idea, but the USA is the only first-world country with very lax gun control and it's the only first-world country near the top of that gun crimes per capita list.
Would I feel safer if the driver had a gun? No, statistically the driver is the one most likely to rob you.
They work REALLY well at preventing good law abiding citizens from having guns... but for some reason all the criminals aren't obeying the law! Whats up with that?
Alternatively, instead of outlawing guns, perhaps we should just make murder illegal. Oh yeah...
The only reason those work (and in the UK) is because there isn't a pre-existing supply of firearms. In the US, even if the Second Amendment got thrown out today, it wouldn't do squat because there are so many guns around that whether they're legal wouldn't matter unless the supply of both guns and ammo were cut off somehow.
It's like the Burmese Python problem in Florida--started small but now there's a self-sustaining supply and you can't just legislate it out of existence.
If he had a CHL, he would not statistically be likely to rob you though, that's the thing. He's been pre-screened for you by the government.
Regarding firearm related death rate:
1) We have seen an increase in gun-violence in the United States in all areas where gun control laws were tightened.
2) We have seen a decrease in gun-violence in the United States in all areas where gun control laws were relaxed.
3) Must gun related murders are related to drug trafficking, with illegal guns used against others in high crime areas (usually gang related), and doesn't reflect the danger to the average citizen chilling in the burbs minding their own business.
4) Some of the countries like the UK trade gun-related violence for other forms of violence, and usually far far greater than that of the United States.
Violent crime in the United States is on a consistent decline since the 1970s, whereas violent crime in the United Kingdom (which is EXTREMELY anti self-defense) has been steadily increasing. The violent crime rate in the United States has shrunken to the point we are now at 367.9/100,000 (as of 2013), far below UK, Canada, and France:
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I think, as the article indicated, this is more about preserving their financial value so they can go public someday ... with a policy like this in place it provides more liability protection for them and forces more down to the drivers (where it belongs) ... most companies ban guns on their premises (legal or otherwise) so this is in line with other corporate entities
Not true, its actually very rare to see the official required 30.06 signs on the primary entrance of businesses and corporate offices. Sikes Senter Mall here in Texas tried it, and within 14 hours of posting it they received so much internet backlash and negative reviews online that they took them down, lol!
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Try buying a suppressor in the US, so many hoops to jump for something that reduces the sound your firearm makes. . . All because some moron who knows nothing about guns thinks you are going to go Splinter Cell status on someone. I guess I should feel thankful I am actually able to own one.
http://www.westerncriminology.org/documents/WCR/v08n2/clark.pdf
There is just not a lot of evidence that supports such strict regulations on them. Similar situation with gun regulation, a lot of scared people who are trying to find a reason to control our weapons... even though the vast majority of us use them responsibly and legally.
http://www.westerncriminology.org/documents/WCR/v08n2/clark.pdf
There is just not a lot of evidence that supports such strict regulations on them. Similar situation with gun regulation, a lot of scared people who are trying to find a reason to control our weapons... even though the vast majority of us use them responsibly and legally.
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Not true, its actually very rare to see the official required 30.06 signs on the primary entrance of businesses and corporate offices. Sikes Senter Mall here in Texas tried it, and within 14 hours of posting it they received so much internet backlash and negative reviews online that they took them down, lol!
I am sure it varies ... when I worked for Intel and Flextronics, bringing a gun on the premises was grounds for immediate dismissal (if they chose to do so) and disciplinary action if they didn't
Can't tell if sarcasm, because if so, well done. If not, then I may need to lend you some IQ points.
However, I'll assume the former!
I just know about Texas, because I have to make sure I check the entrance door for signs before entering. Save for the post office, court, bars, polling stations, its super rare that I see a sign where I have to lock my firearm in my car. Now I do sometimes see those crossed out gun stickers, but those don't mean anything and can be interpreted as no "illegal" unauthorized firearms, which doesn't apply to CHL holders.
None of them were CHL holders, so it was not legal carry, and besides most murders are committed with firearms that are illegally obtained. If you can't stop the trade of marijuana or illegal aliens in the United States, you're not going to stop the trade of illegal firearms.
Besides, mass murder-suicides are such a rare thing as to be completely out of proportion with regular violent crime in this country, which a CHL can protect you against. Mass murder-suicides are also typically ended by, yup, a good guy with a gun. Guns aren't bad, people are good and bad. And do you think that a little old 115 pound woman is going to stop a 230 pound rapist with a wag of her finger or martial arts?
....and the media will run the story for weeks about the .2% of the .6% making viewers feel that the threat is everywhere!!!! Lock your doors, go inside, stay glued to the TV for more updates....programming. It's clear that governments do not want their citizens armed. Governments fear their citizens.
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Neither Intel or Flextronics had no gun signs ... it was in the employee contract (there was a very long list of offenses that constituted immediate no questions asked dismissal and that was one item) ... not sure what their policy on visitors was (since they can't fire those) but usually the employee who sponsored a visitor was responsible for whatever their visitor did
Yeah, it's annoying that companies put their "liability" above their employees' safety. MInnesota had a TON of gun ban signs many years ago. However, they soon learned that it was costing them business and really didn't provide any protection from gun harm at all.
So now a lot of stores/businesses don't have those signs anymore. Some big corps still do though. The company I work for has a very tiny little sign on the left of the entrance.
Yep. The media is almost squarely to blame for the recent issues. They give the mass murderers the media they desire, thus you get copycats. They also stir up the fear in the populace so liberals/democrats run to their senators trying to get every gun law passed. They then also make convseratives/republications/NRA/etc all look like evil people that just want everyone to be shot by their weapons.
I listened to a Freak-o-Nomics (spelling) broadcast on the concept of gun control and what the current lines of thinking would actually do. Through very simple numbers, they showed how useless most of the gun laws that the recent administration wanted to do really are. Gun buybacks were the biggest joke!
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But a Bowie knife is OK? Cool, thanks Uber!
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If you really want to significantly reduce the amount of premature deaths, deport illegal aliens. The Department of Homeland Security estimates that illegals are around 15% of the prison population, and the numbers are far greater if you include first generation domestic born. Or if you're not worried about violent crime, then just tax ice cream and pizza with the same sin taxes as tobacco, since obesity related illnesses are now the number one cause of premature death. Now THAT would actually register on the numbers as actually significant and is something a computer would do looking at things logically... but ice cream FEELS good and guns FEEL scary to neo-liberals, so that would never take.
And if you feel safer about police officers having guns than CHL holders, how about the statistic that CHL holders are 1/3rd as likely to be convicted of murder charges than a police officer (who has a whole union and buddy cops to cover for him and sprinkle crack on a guy and drop a knife by his hand): http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/10/concealed-carry-permit-holders-are-one.html
It's an interesting fact that it's only possible to shoot someone else with a gun if you happen to have a gun at the moment when you try to shoot that person.
They work REALLY well at preventing good law abiding citizens from having guns... but for some reason all the criminals aren't obeying the law! Whats up with that?
Alternatively, instead of outlawing guns, perhaps we should just make murder illegal. Oh yeah...
You have a point, why do we even have any laws at all? Criminals are just going to break them!
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Psst - that's the definition of criminal.
The criminals that are going to commit murder aren't going to go the legal and legit route to obtain the gun. They are not going to submit to a background check, no matter if it's universal. They aren't going to go through a waiting period. They are either going to buy it from some guy in an alley or steal it themselves.
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Please do not use polarized political views to make a point, I.e. them politically correct liberal democrats, or them religious greedy conservatives.
just look like a fool saying such things.
You can make your point without polarizing society
just look like a fool saying such things.
You can make your point without polarizing society
The problem is in the enforcement and punishment based on said laws. Every week you seem to read about someone getting off easy, or some murderer/child molester/illegal immigrant with a criminal background/drunk driver who's back in society causing harm. You make punishments that make it HARSH to break them and you ENFORCE what laws we have.
If a gun was involved in a crime, +10-15 years, for example. Castle law in most states. Let evolution then take over and weed out those not capable. Seriously, we don't let evolution take those that to be removed anymore. There might be some troubling times, but it would level out as society adjusted.
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Psst - that's the definition of criminal.
The criminals that are going to commit murder aren't going to go the legal and legit route to obtain the gun. They are not going to submit to a background check, no matter if it's universal. They aren't going to go through a waiting period. They are either going to buy it from some guy in an alley or steal it themselves.
Um..what?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting
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Goddamn right.
Fair enough, I did refrain from saying "libtards", so I thought neo-liberal was soft enough language that no one would be triggered and PTSD on me.
No, I'm tired of being politically correct just to try and prevent some hurt feelings, incredibly so because what i said was true. You can't always solve problems without identifying parties involved, especially if they are instigators in that problem.
Using a broad and generic term like, "people" would just as equally get shot down because it's too encompassing.