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Good job Obama
Yep. He gets the credit for ending the Iraq War. Just like everything else he does, it's good credit right away...and a fucking catastrophe later.
Ya know, people blaming Obama for everything is incredibly annoying. I am not saying he's been a great President or anything but there are so many other factors at play that he's not the sole person responsible. How about blaming the Iraqi Army first and foremost for failing to stand and fight? Or how about blaming the Iraqi President for refusing to give the United States basing rights? Or how about Congress constantly being a bunch of team players instead of representing the people that elected them, regardless party allegiances...hell, there shouldn't even be party allegiances. Hell, blame the US Marines and soldiers for failing to train the IA better. There's a lot of moving parts in government and very rarely does a failure rest on the shoulders of a single person.
We never had a problem with that until Obama was president. Thanks Obama!Ya know, people blaming Obama for everything is incredibly annoying.
We never had a problem with that until Obama was president. Thanks Obama!
It would be cheaper to drop brand new 4k TVs and Xbones to every militant than it would be to bomb them. Throw in some generators and gas, too. Then they'll be too busy playing COD: Halalalalalalala edition to think about shooting real people.
Only 10% joking, too.
I believe the trillions wasted on the wars would be better spent giving hope and a future to these people instead of bombing away what little they have.
Very well said. The bottom line is that the wars in Iraq and even Afghanistan have become VERY unpopular because military force simply hasn't worked in those places like it had been sold from the beginning. And there's far too many players involved to lay this at any one person of even group. This is the Middle East. It's always been very complicated.
I think the perception now is that this whole Iraq War was a catastrophe from Day One. First we were told that Iraq was an imminent threat to US security. Not true.
Rummy said:Reports that say there's -- that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things that we know that we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.
You mean like building schools, giving clothes and food, and toys like soccer balls? Ya, did that.
And of course this occurred AFTER the "shock and awe" campaign which destroyed vital infrastructure and killed numerous innocents (the count I read was 7,400 civilians). Schools, clothes, food, and toys are great and all but it hardly makes up for the 7,400 civilian deaths. I wonder how many "terrorists" were created by murdering 7,400 innocents?
Americans should care about American interests. The only question IMO should have been if we got a return on our investment for the military intervention both short and long-term, or if special interest groups were the benefactors.I believe the trillions wasted on the wars would be better spent giving hope and a future to these people instead of bombing away what little they have.
And of course this occurred AFTER the "shock and awe" campaign which destroyed vital infrastructure and killed numerous innocents (the count I read was 7,400 civilians). Schools, clothes, food, and toys are great and all but it hardly makes up for the 7,400 civilian deaths. I wonder how many "terrorists" were created by murdering 7,400 innocents?
Look, we are damned if we do, damned if don't. We don't invade/attack these extremists there's a safe haven for anti-western groups that like to target the biggest dog in the pack, the United States. Of course, invading....well we know what happens when we take that course of action. I'd much rather get my shit blown sideways driving down the road in an armored vehicle than get my shit blown sideways in a civilian tin can with my family and that is to say, I'd rather take the fight to them than to sit back and let them fight on our own turf.
I spent an exceedingly short time in Baghdad and saw the bombed out structures, never saw any blown up schools...though I guess it could have happened. So the bombing of what little they have, most likely didn't involve children's schools....so ya, we helped build something that wasnt there. Were Saddam's palaces bombed, hell ya they were, used them as bases as well....so ya, we took away some lavish buildings that only a few servants worked at, I'm sure the general populace wasn't too broken up about it.
Look, we are damned if we do, damned if don't. We don't invade/attack these extremists there's a safe haven for anti-western groups that like to target the biggest dog in the pack, the United States. Of course, invading....well we know what happens when we take that course of action. I'd much rather get my shit blown sideways driving down the road in an armored vehicle than get my shit blown sideways in a civilian tin can with my family and that is to say, I'd rather take the fight to them than to sit back and let them fight on our own turf.
I believe those safe havens were called Pakistan or Syria or Somali or any number of other countries that are anti-western.There was no safe haven for extremists in Iraq before we invaded. We created that.
Next, pretending that you went to Iraq to protect America is bullshit, knock it off.
USA went to the middle east for oil.
To think that they went to protect us is bullshit.
How the hell are they going to come to the USA in thousands and fight us here? It's practically impossible as they would have to come through on civilian planes or be shot down as they try to come over on planes that they stole in their country.
There is no bridge from the middle eat to ours so they are no risk, and never were a risk for us.
I think that everyone should just let the insurgents fight the people already in the middle east as it's their problem to deal with.
I'm not seeing what that has to do with the war in Iraq.I believe those safe havens were called Pakistan or Syria or Somali or any number of other countries that are anti-western.
What gives you the idea that Canada has a "Welcome Terrorists" banner that makes it easy for them to arrive there in the first place? Even Mexico has stringent immigration controls at airports. The Mexicans who walk here were born there, hard to keep those ones out of Mexico.You've got to be kidding right? How many illegals cross the border every day into the US. Just because your from the Middle East or Asia or Europe doesn't mean you have to come in to America directly from those regions. Go to a neighboring country and cross the border. I've never been to our northern border with Canada but I imagine walking across that imaginary line in the ground could be fairly easy in some places.
I don't see all that many people targeting Canada, or Sweden, or Switzerland. The idea that some guy is going to sit around in Saudi Arabia and get all offended by Katy Perry and come blow us up is pretty out there. It happens rarely, not often enough for military action to be effective, never mind appropriate.It's also very narrow minded to think if the US engaged in isolationism that all our problems would disappear. While the US has created a lot of these problems with under the table dealings with these groups in attempts to disrupt other nations, many of these groups have an issue with our way of life, not politics, not invasion of X country, our culture. They don't like that you get to say whatever you want, worship (or not worship) whatever version of god you want, or engage in many of the activities you like to engage in.
I'm not seeing what that has to do with the war in Iraq.
What gives you the idea that Canada has a "Welcome Terrorists" banner that makes it easy for them to arrive there in the first place? Even Mexico has stringent immigration controls at airports. The Mexicans who walk here were born there, hard to keep those ones out of Mexico.
I don't see all that many people targeting Canada, or Sweden, or Switzerland. The idea that some guy is going to sit around in Saudi Arabia and get all offended by Katy Perry and come blow us up is pretty out there. It happens rarely, not often enough for military action to be effective, never mind appropriate.
While I definitely see your point, I was an untrained civilian less than a year before I had bullets whizzing past my brain bucket and retreat was never a thought that crossed my mind, and I was fighting for someone else's freedom. I couldn't imagine being faced with the choice of fight and die, or live and lose my freedom, and choose to live without freedom. I guess that can be chalked up to being a societally different creature than those in the Middle East. Of all people, Walt Disney once said, "Once a man has tasted freedom he will never be content to be a slave." Americans (well most) have never been slaves and are very much attached to their freedom, I'd wager most would die fighting before giving in to slavery. Many in the middle east know nothing of what freedom is...its just sad that they refuse to fight for it.