XBox one is much more than just a game console

LeninGHOLA said:
How many of those are user error or someone buying a razer product and getting fucked up drivers (also user error, don't buy crappy electronics)?

I never found console gaming to be easier. Load times, browsing terribly designed interfaces and having really bad download speeds waste more time than installing a new driver once every couple months.

You just have a different definition on what is headache inducing. A 2 minute savegame load (every time) in GTA5 wastes much more time than taking 5 minutes to grab a driver.

You're trading potential issues with a PC with potential and guaranteed issues on a console.
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Someone's bias is showing...

You just have a different definition on what is headache inducing.
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Yup, and that doesn't make me wrong or you right, just how intellectually dishonest you are towards consoles, as you put it. We can both come up with myriads of issues on both platforms (well consoles not so much) but in the long run you know I'm right.
 
Well, I am pleased and happy with the Xbox one capabilities and gaming graphics that it is capable of. (This is just the beginning of it too.) I enjoy it and my PC as well, I am just using more of my Xbox one now since it has more capability than my PC does for interaction. (That is even though my PC still has over 100 games that I still have not played or have not finished.)

I am looking forward to the DLNA support and external storage support as well. (I will want to be able to play my ripped DVD's and Blue rays on it.) Also, I am hoping someone will produce a USB TV Tuner that will play Over the Air broadcasting on it. If not, I still have my main computer to do it on.
 
pcjunkie said:
We can both come up with myriads of issues on both platforms (well consoles not so much) but in the long run you know I'm right.
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This is the digital equivalent of sticking your tongue out and yelling "neener-neener-neener, you can't touch me". Right before someone touches you.
 
pcjunkie said:
Someone's bias is showing...



Yup, and that doesn't make me wrong or you right, just how intellectually dishonest you are towards consoles, as you put it. We can both come up with myriads of issues on both platforms (well consoles not so much) but in the long run you know I'm right.
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If there is a bias, point it out. That's what you do in a debate.

Console UI's are much more difficult to navigate and take longer than their PC counterparts. This is both due to interface and input.

Load times are much longer.

Download speeds using services like xboxlive are definitely slower.

Hardware failure rate is much higher.

This is not dishonest. Every console and PC owner can confirm this.
 
consoles are good for people who don't have experience with PC's but I can't believe that someone with a powerful gaming PC like the OP would ever switch to a console and enjoy it more...the voice control is not something so groundbreaking and revolutionary that it would tip the scales...especially with all the other graphical advantages of a PC
 
LeninGHOLA said:
If there is a bias, point it out. That's what you do in a debate.

Console UI's are much more difficult to navigate and take longer than their PC counterparts. This is both due to interface and input.

Load times are much longer.

Download speeds using services like xboxlive are definitely slower.

Hardware failure rate is much higher.

This is not dishonest. Every console and PC owner can confirm this.
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Bullshit...tell me where the new consoles have a high hardware failure rate? We own new/old consoles and I can confirm that is not true...also, our XB1 download rate is just as fast as my pc's connection. I've seen my boy rip through the new Xb1 interface faster than I could ever do it on a pc with Win 8 metro . You throw around these absolutes falsehoods like they are facts...you truly are being intellectually dishonest now.
 
Welcome to the greatness that is having a gaming PC and a companion console. Its far, far superior than just owning one of either platform.

Next up on your list? Get a handheld.

LeninGHOLA said:
If there is a bias, point it out. That's what you do in a debate.

Console UI's are much more difficult to navigate and take longer than their PC counterparts. This is both due to interface and input.

Load times are much longer.

Download speeds using services like xboxlive are definitely slower.

Hardware failure rate is much higher.

This is not dishonest. Every console and PC owner can confirm this.
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1. Its faster to walk into the room and say Xbox On, Xbox play Forza than it is to walk into a room, sit in your computer chair, wake your probably asleep computer, navigate to your application and double click to play. Its faster, and voice control is here to stay.
2. Load times are usually bottlenecked by disk I/O. Considering consoles are using slower speed/affordable disk to remain profitable. Yes, they would load slower than a PC gamer who paid a premium for faster writes on an SSD.
3. Not true, at all. XBLA download speeds are universally amazing. Myself and every other person I know has been able to historically max our entire bandwidth on downloads. I would say the service a complete equal to Steam in terms of speed. Thats 8 years of experience behind that comment.
4. Not so sure about this. Sure RROD and YLOD stuff was out there, but mostly b/c they are standardized hardware platforms that garner a target to hit from media outlets. Lets total up all the failed hard drives, GPUs, CPUs, memory from all PCs over the last 8 years and try to calculate their failure rate vs a console. I'm not trying to say who's worse, but to blanketly say that consoles hardware fails more.. is a guess and you aren't basing it off of any real data. Pure opinion

I am a console and a PC owner, and I cannot confirm what you said.
 
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These thread derailments always make me happy that I just do not have any interest in consoles. Not due to their lack of merit. It's just that I find myself more than satisfied with my PC and see no need to hassle with them.
 
Hard to tell what the failure rates will be on this generation. Last generation isn't in question, though.

No, a d-pad and a tile based interface is not more effective than a standard desktop interface with a mouse and a keyboard. Go browse Netflix or any online services and report back. Admittedly, the new consoles have come a long way in this respect, but you're still limited by input and interface.

xbox live download rates may have been improved, the last gen was atrocious when using XBLA.
 
wonderfield said:
Is it, on average? The X360 was very much a special case, though allegedly PS4 failure rates have been high as well.
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For the 2001-2012 generations, yes. The ps4 seems to be staying below a 2% failure rate, which isn't terrible. But, heat may become an issue sooner rather than later. xbox 1 failure rates seem to be pretty normal at this point, too.
 
theNoid said:
Welcome to the greatness that is having a gaming PC and a companion console. Its far, far superior than just owning one of either platform.

Next up on your list? Get a handheld.



1. Its faster to walk into the room and say Xbox On, Xbox play Forza than it is to walk into a room, sit in your computer chair, wake your probably asleep computer, navigate to your application and double click to play. Its faster, and voice control is here to stay.
2. Load times are usually bottlenecked by disk I/O. Considering consoles are using slower speed/affordable disk to remain profitable. Yes, they would load slower than a PC gamer who paid a premium for faster writes on an SSD.
3. Not true, at all. XBLA download speeds are universally amazing. Myself and every other person I know has been able to historically max our entire bandwidth on downloads. I would say the service a complete equal to Steam in terms of speed. Thats 8 years of experience behind that comment.
4. Not so sure about this. Sure RROD and YLOD stuff was out there, but mostly b/c they are standardized hardware platforms that garner a target to hit from media outlets. Lets total up all the failed hard drives, GPUs, CPUs, memory from all PCs over the last 8 years and try to calculate their failure rate vs a console. I'm not trying to say who's worse, but to blanketly say that consoles hardware fails more.. is a guess and you aren't basing it off of any real data. Pure opinion

I am a console and a PC owner, and I cannot confirm what you said.
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Well, I have a Surface RT tablet and a HTC 8X Windows Phone 8 phone so I guess you could say I have the handheld. (Not really interested in the Nintendo hand helds but they are nice.)
 
theNoid said:
Welcome to the greatness that is having a gaming PC and a companion console. Its far, far superior than just owning one of either platform.

Next up on your list? Get a handheld.



1. Its faster to walk into the room and say Xbox On, Xbox play Forza than it is to walk into a room, sit in your computer chair, wake your probably asleep computer, navigate to your application and double click to play. Its faster, and voice control is here to stay.
2. Load times are usually bottlenecked by disk I/O. Considering consoles are using slower speed/affordable disk to remain profitable. Yes, they would load slower than a PC gamer who paid a premium for faster writes on an SSD.
3. Not true, at all. XBLA download speeds are universally amazing. Myself and every other person I know has been able to historically max our entire bandwidth on downloads. I would say the service a complete equal to Steam in terms of speed. Thats 8 years of experience behind that comment.
4. Not so sure about this. Sure RROD and YLOD stuff was out there, but mostly b/c they are standardized hardware platforms that garner a target to hit from media outlets. Lets total up all the failed hard drives, GPUs, CPUs, memory from all PCs over the last 8 years and try to calculate their failure rate vs a console. I'm not trying to say who's worse, but to blanketly say that consoles hardware fails more.. is a guess and you aren't basing it off of any real data. Pure opinion

I am a console and a PC owner, and I cannot confirm what you said.
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1- no, you're adding steps. In the 45 seconds it takes to load Forza, you'd be in game on the PC. Unless you had a really big room and it took you a while to get to your PC. Plus, you hope you have the right disc in the drive on the xbox.

3 - Interesting. I've never experienced Steam speeds on XBL. Especially when buffering movies or downloading games.

4 - a 30-50% failure rate (360) is unheard of. You're shooting for 4% or less with this type of manufactured goods. You'll go out of business otherwise.
 
wonderfield said:
Is it, on average? The X360 was very much a special case, though allegedly PS4 failure rates have been high as well.
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.5 percent is not high. Why do people keep spreading this nonsense? The RROD was a 33 percent failure rate.. QUITE a bit more than .5 percent.
 
Godmachine said:
.5 percent is not high. Why do people keep spreading this nonsense? The RROD was a 33 percent failure rate.. QUITE a bit more than .5 percent.
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That's why he said "allegedly" .

So far, PS4 failure rates are well within tolerance.
 
Xbox Live is really, really fast for me most of the time. I'd put it pretty close to Steam-like speeds. The only instances where it has been slow for me were when I downloaded the DLC and extended cut for Mass Effect 3. That took 3 hours. I got them 6 months after the release, so it's not like they were a hot item.
The PSN used to drag, but it has gotten better. It definitely trails XBL, though.
 
I don't mind people that choose to play on xbox/ps4 (hell I have a PS3 for netflix) but I can't really see why anyone would try to argue 'pros' of consoles over a PC when a PC can do everything a console can do and more.

Let me know when the consoles can do all games @ 1080p 60fps. Also when I can play a FPS game without having to use an inferior controller. I can plug my PC into my TV and do everything and far more than my PS3 can do, faster. I don't even see how this is even a debate. And the xbox will do most of the demanding games at 720p 30fps are you fucking kidding me? Welcome to 2005.
 
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The larger my Steam library grows, the more I realize consoles and handhelds are pointless.

All a console has is exclusives, and they're going to be few. And my smartphone has taken over the outdoors boredom role.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
That's why he said "allegedly" .

So far, PS4 failure rates are well within tolerance.
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Allegedly or not saying it over and over again is pointless. If it really was even that close it would be news. People hunger for more next gen troublesome experiences.

I think its time to put "Allegedly" to bed.
 
Godmachine said:
Allegedly or not saying it over and over again is pointless. If it really was even that close it would be news. People hunger for more next gen troublesome experiences.

I think its time to put "Allegedly" to bed.
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It was news, but it turned out the news was a hoax. I don't see anything wrong with someone not knowing that, or not knowing what the current failure rate is. As long as the record is set straight.
 
It's funny to read a user named 'pcjunkie' arguing on a computer hardware/software enthusiast website about how much greater a console is than a PC. Very amusing.

I have 2 computers hooked up to a 46" and 65" tv in our living room. I have 0 driver/install issues. I can guarantee you I have a more enjoyable time and have a larger array of things to do on my two PC's than if they were replaced by an Xbox 1 and PS4. I'd also like to find a console fanboy who would honestly prefer the latter to my setup. If you do you're just ignorant of what a high end gaming PC/HTPC combo can do.

Comparing high end PC's to consoles is so silly, I don't even know why I participate in this drivel. It's like comparing a souped up Dodge Challenger to a cheap Kia. Totally different price points geared towards totally different markets. Let's just stop now.
 
chalmer9 said:
It's funny to read a user named 'pcjunkie' arguing on a computer hardware/software enthusiast website about how much greater a console is than a PC. Very amusing.

I have 2 computers hooked up to a 46" and 65" tv in our living room. I have 0 driver/install issues. I can guarantee you I have a more enjoyable time and have a larger array of things to do on my two PC's than if they were replaced by an Xbox 1 and PS4. I'd also like to find a console fanboy who would honestly prefer the latter to my setup. If you do you're just ignorant of what a high end gaming PC/HTPC combo can do.

Comparing high end PC's to consoles is so silly, I don't even know why I participate in this drivel. It's like comparing a souped up Dodge Challenger to a cheap Kia. Totally different price points geared towards totally different markets. Let's just stop now.
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No wonder people think PC master race crap. Whatever you think of someone, take it PM please. I have probably been into computers longer than you and may also know more than you in the practical sense.

Also, please do not add your car analogy to a reality thread since it does not work here. Good thing stuff moves ahead without people dictating what should and should not be. I stick by my original post because it is reality and works for me. Peoples epeens are just.......
 
Pringle said:
All in one post, no less
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Nope, no epeen here, computers are just one of the very few things I do really well at. :D As far as my Xbox one goes, I need to adjust the colors on my computer when using the TV pass through part of it. Desktop is a little off but the Windows Media Center looks dead on.
 
I say let's have them take this outside and finish it. I'm always up for watching a nerd rage fight.

On second thought: unsubcribed
 
chalmer9 said:
It's funny to read a user named 'pcjunkie' arguing on a computer hardware/software enthusiast website about how much greater a console is than a PC. Very amusing.

I have 2 computers hooked up to a 46" and 65" tv in our living room. I have 0 driver/install issues. I can guarantee you I have a more enjoyable time and have a larger array of things to do on my two PC's than if they were replaced by an Xbox 1 and PS4. I'd also like to find a console fanboy who would honestly prefer the latter to my setup. If you do you're just ignorant of what a high end gaming PC/HTPC combo can do.

Comparing high end PC's to consoles is so silly, I don't even know why I participate in this drivel. It's like comparing a souped up Dodge Challenger to a cheap Kia. Totally different price points geared towards totally different markets. Let's just stop now.
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Dear lord wtf are you smoking? I never said or claimed consoles are better than pc's, only that they have less issues and headaches over-all, at least in my experience. Hence one of the main reasons I would go console only but this generation doesn't quite cut it graphically. I tried to explain it in my first few posts until the master pc gamers started shitting on everything I said. Go back and read my posts again, slowly this time....
 
It seems like whenever topics like this come up people lose their minds. As someone with a pretty damn nice PC to TV setup, I still 100% appreciate the consoles...hence why I have all of them.
 
pcjunkie said:
I tried to explain it in my first few posts until the master pc gamers started shitting on everything I said.
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All I tried to do was explain some of the defects in your line of thinking. You don't need to take it personally.
 
Domingo said:
It seems like whenever topics like this come up people lose their minds. As someone with a pretty damn nice PC to TV setup, I still 100% appreciate the consoles...hence why I have all of them.
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I agree except that I like just owning the Xbox one only. I used to have the PS/2 and Xbox 360 but did not really use them much because of time constraints. (I like competitive running as well.) That said, I do not think there ever was a single console system that was not good for what it was.
 
polonyc2 said:
consoles are good for people who don't have experience with PC's but I can't believe that someone with a powerful gaming PC like the OP would ever switch to a console and enjoy it more...the voice control is not something so groundbreaking and revolutionary that it would tip the scales...especially with all the other graphical advantages of a PC
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Not to mention, you've been able to hook up a microphone or put on a headset/microphone and control your computer with your voice for over 20 years... Voice control is not new, but the gestures via Kinect are (though you wouldn't find one of those things in my house in a million years, I don't even have a webcam).
 
wonderfield said:
All I tried to do was explain some of the defects in your line of thinking. You don't need to take it personally.
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LOL...I don't really care enough to take it personally. And I have no idea what you mean by defects as its all a personal choice and not just black and white? That is the point right there that some of you can't comprehend. There are good reasons to go console only and good reasons to stay with pc or go with both. That was MY choice and reasons to POSSIBLY go console only, which nobody has disproved whatsoever.
 
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mavrocket said:
Not to mention, you've been able to hook up a microphone or put on a headset/microphone and control your computer with your voice for over 20 years... Voice control is not new, but the gestures via Kinect are (though you wouldn't find one of those things in my house in a million years, I don't even have a webcam).
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Proof? (Meaning, proof that you could control your computer, not just type some document.) You mean I could setup my PC and fully voice control it out of the box? I remember doing something with limited voice control back in the days of Windows 3.1 but that was still limited and you had to buy extra software to do it.

Also, as far as I can tell, I could not say, "Computer, go to Netflix" and it would work. The idea that something was around for a while does not negate the usefulness of the feature now. In fact, I would not be surprised to find that the Xbox one voice controls are built upon what came before.
 
pcjunkie said:
And I have no idea what you mean by defects as its all a personal choice and not just black and white?
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It means your reasoning is based on a false assumption of greater console reliability.

ManofGod said:
You mean I could setup my PC and fully voice control it out of the box?
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He never said "out of the box". You're just attaching an arbitrary predicate to the suggestion so you can slash it down when he invariably responds with a "no". You'll probably also leverage the opportunity to promote the Xbox One, too. Again.
 
ManofGod said:
Proof? (Meaning, proof that you could control your computer, not just type some document.) You mean I could setup my PC and fully voice control it out of the box? I remember doing something with limited voice control back in the days of Windows 3.1 but that was still limited and you had to buy extra software to do it.

Also, as far as I can tell, I could not say, "Computer, go to Netflix" and it would work. The idea that something was around for a while does not negate the usefulness of the feature now. In fact, I would not be surprised to find that the Xbox one voice controls are built upon what came before.
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Of course it wasn't out of the box, unless the computer came preloaded with it. You've always had to purchase the software separately, just like any other piece of software.

I was just pointing out that voice control is nothing new, even though it's regarded as some revolutionary thing by the marketing campaign for XBox One. To me, it's comparable to the entire "HD 1080p!" marketing.

In your OP, it seems like you were comparing the XBox One to your PC, and voicing the opinion that the XBox One was superior when compared to it. Since that's obviously not true when features are compared side-by-side to the majority of us, that's why you awakened the sleeping giant to defend the PC.
 
mavrocket said:
Not to mention, you've been able to hook up a microphone or put on a headset/microphone and control your computer with your voice for over 20 years... Voice control is not new, but the gestures via Kinect are (though you wouldn't find one of those things in my house in a million years, I don't even have a webcam).
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Voice control isn't new, nor are gestures. They have both been around for a long time. The difference is now they are coming bundles with the machine and in a much more streamlined and more efficient manner. The Kinect itself does far more than just gestures though. It has many amazing applications as people all over the world are finding out and using.
 
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