Is it time to drop the DVI ports on video cards?

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Quartz-1

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Or, how many monitors these days do not have HDMI or DP ports or both? Stick an adapter in the package if you must, but really, modern monitors have had HDMI or DP or both for years now. DVI was deprecated a decade ago. Get rid of it!
 
A lot of monitor makes do package a DVI adapter for their monitors that have only HDMI. However, DP is still in a small amount of monitors compared with those equipped with HDMI/DVI. If anything, I'd like to see VGA go away.
 
This more complex with more considerations than it seems on the surface. For example -

HDMI and DVI are not identical. There are some limitations to HDMI that DVI does not posses.

Keeping DVI also has advantages in supporting VGA without needing VGA ports by using DVI-I.l

While many monitors these days have HDMI or DP they may not have both. This would add complications to supporting multi monitors on a single GPU.

There are some licensing, port, and cable cost considerations as well.
 
Quartz-1 said:
Or, how many monitors these days do not have HDMI or DP ports or both? Stick an adapter in the package if you must, but really, modern monitors have had HDMI or DP or both for years now. DVI was deprecated a decade ago. Get rid of it!
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No! Most monitors still come with only DVI, HDMI is useless and DP is not common enough. Active DP->DVI adapters aren't cheap and come with their own set of quirks and issues.
 
nah, monitors hang around for a long time.
 
Brent_Justice said:
The adapter you suggest only supports single-link, up to 1920x1200.
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Fair enough.

In order to pass through 2560x1600 (dual link) connection you need an active DP to DVI adapter, much more expensive.
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I'll bet they'd still cost very little in bulk and that the high price is due to lack of demand and reflects the cost of storing the stock.
 
Meeho said:
No! Most monitors still come with only DVI,
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This is simply not true. A quick look at the usual suspects (e.g. Novatech) indicates that 1080p and 1440p monitors with HDMI or DP or both vastly outnumber those with only DVI.

HDMI is useless and DP is not common enough.
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DP isn't exactly common for 1080p, but is for 1440p
 
Quartz-1 said:
But they're a very small minority of monitors currently on sale.
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Monitors are often kept for a long time and it'll be quite some time before people replace their monitors without displayport.
 
Quartz-1 said:
Or, how many monitors these days do not have HDMI or DP ports or both? Stick an adapter in the package if you must, but really, modern monitors have had HDMI or DP or both for years now. DVI was deprecated a decade ago. Get rid of it!
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wra18th said:
A lot of monitor makes do package a DVI adapter for their monitors that have only HDMI. However, DP is still in a small amount of monitors compared with those equipped with HDMI/DVI. If anything, I'd like to see VGA go away.
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Intel and a host of other companies resolved to make VGA and DVI go away in 2010. They are being deprecated in favor of DP and HDMI respectively. DVI has been unmaintained for almost 10 years now, with no one putting any effort into improving it.
 
Skripka said:
Intel and a host of other companies resolved to make VGA and DVI go away in 2010. They are being deprecated in favor of DP and HDMI respectively. DVI has been unmaintained for almost 10 years now, with no one putting any effort into improving it.
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Yup, checks out :p

Intel and AMD expect that analog display outputs such as Video Graphics Array (VGA) and the low voltage differential signaling technology (LVDS) panel interface would no longer be supported in their product lines by 2015.
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Intel plans to end support of LVDS in 2013 and VGA in 2015 in its PC client processors and chipsets.
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AMD plans to begin phasing out legacy interfaces, starting with the removal of native LVDS output from most products in 2013. The company also plans to remove native VGA output starting in 2013, with expansion to all AMD products by 2015. This would mean DVI-I support will be eliminated in the same timeframe.
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Interestingly enough, Nvidia wasn't part of that meeting/resolution.
 
I own a Dell 2407 and a 2412M, both of which are DVI. (Maybe the 2412 has DP, but I don't know). I keep monitors until they either die or something vastly better comes out, and right now, there is nothing " vastly better" out there than my 2 monitors at 24" for gaming.


Anyways, there isn't a big deal if they switch to HDMI/DP only. Converters are easy to add to the box and are cheap and it seems like all boxes you buy come with 1 adapter anyways. I probably have 5-10 sitting in the house somewhere.
 
Why are you caring and trolling so hard about this? Your solution is to use an adapter. If there is such a high demand for dvi that you need to use an adapter that may add latency why not just have the actual port? Makes no sense. Many 1440p or higher users will need an active adapter. Thanks for adding 90+ the cost and having to fuck around with stupid adapters.
 
hmmm, slight problem:

all of my monitors are exclusively DVI.

my main PC has three dell DVI panels
my secondary PC has three dell DVI panels
the partners PC has a dell DVI panel
i have a spare 24" dell DVI panel for my main PC

that's a lot of stuff to buy adapters for...
 
pin for pin HDMI == DVI(single link).. its much easier to go DVI->HDMI with an Adapter than go HDMI->DVI for the simple fact that HDMI cannot be adapted to Dual Link DVI (>than 1920x1080)..

just like VGA, DVI will be a standard for a long time to come.
 
Brent_Justice said:
My 3007WFPs would cry if there were no more DVI ports.
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I'm with this guy!

You've gotta get the super expensive adapter to get 1600p working.
$5 DP to DVI adapter? Nope.
$25 Active DP to DVI converter? Still no.
$90-$130 Powered Active DVI adapter? Yep, that'll do 1600p. You'll need 1 per display.
 
Single-link DVI? Yes. Kill it dead. It does nothing you can't do with HDMI and a $5 dongle.
Dual-link DVI? Nope. I need that shit. Not paying $50+ to buy an adapter for something the card should have included.
 
You only really appreciate DVI once you get into the 1440p and 1600p resolutions.

a 5 dollar DP->DVI adapter isn't worth crap when you are limited in resolution trying to get a DVI-DL converted.

Both my monitors are 1440p DVI-DL korean brands.... DVI exclusively. I actually bought a R9-290 this morning because it has dual DVI-DL on a single card. (having major issues with my 7970 crossfire rig actually working in crossfire and outputting to the two DVI monitors.

HDMI is nice and all - but it's pretty limited these days in terms of bandwidth. I'm sure a new spec HDMI will be coming soon but it's not here now so it doesn't matter.
 
Quartz-1 said:
This is simply not true. A quick look at the usual suspects (e.g. Novatech) indicates that 1080p and 1440p monitors with HDMI or DP or both vastly outnumber those with only DVI.
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Hmm, novatech's site is HORRIBLE. I can't even seem to find an option to display all monitors sorted by price or display all monitors of a particular resoloution.

When I look at 1920x1080 monitors on CCL I see out of 414 listed monitors 382 have VGA, 318 have DVI 226 have HDMI and 62 have displayport. A 1080p monitor with VGA only costs £78, one with DVI costs £80 while to get one with HDMI I have to pay £98. To get one with displayport I have to pay £115 (note: when looking at prices I only count items available from stock).

When I look at 1920x1200 monitors on CCL I see out of 25 listed monitors 22 have VGA, 23 have DVI 10 have HDMI and 14 have displayport. A 1920x1200 monitor with DVI costs £157 while to get one with HDMI or displayport I have to pay £235.

For 2560x1440 monitors from major brands displayport and HDMI do seem to be pretty much standard but such monitors are out of my price range :(
 
My Samsung S27A950D gave me nothing but problems using Displayport. HDMI won't do 120hz @ 1080P. Dual-Link DVI has been the only option I have that has been problem-free while allowing me to use all of my monitors capabilities (120hz).
 
I want DVI, HDMI, and DisplayPort on all my cards if I could get it. Hooking up friends montiors for one reason.
 
evilsofa said:
4K.
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That's what DP and HDMI are for!

For the vast majority of users that will never buy more than a 1440p monitor (hell, more likely 1080p), DVI will suffice for some time.

And no, I don't believe that just because manufacturers release 4k displays means they will be $100 in a decade. There's always going to be some inherent increase in price with higher resolution, and there will be no economies of scale because there's not enough demand for high-end desktop monitors.
 
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Agreed, I would love to see Vga disappear as fast as S-Video did from graphics cards.
I'm actually surprised that some video cards and monitors still come with Vga.
I see no reason to phase out Dvi as it supports resolutions suitable for most gamers and anyone else that doesn't need super, high resolutions. But the majority, I'm sure, still use Dvi.
 
Jwilliams01207 said:
Agreed, I would love to see Vga disappear as fast as S-Video did from graphics cards.
I'm actually surprised that some video cards and monitors still come with Vga.
I see no reason to phase out Dvi as it supports resolutions suitable for most gamers and anyone else that doesn't need super, high resolutions. But the majority, I'm sure, still use Dvi.
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VGA is common for work places and non techies with old hardware, I have no idea why a gaming card would need to support it.
 
That makes sense for blower style cards, but for non reference cards, 2x DVI would be fine.
 
PcZac said:
VGA is common for work places and non techies with old hardware, I have no idea why a gaming card would need to support it.
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I saw no mention of gaming cards anywhere?
The original post just mentioned "video cards" :p
I see almost no reason to even bother with VGA on video cards as most come with a Dvi>Vga adapter anyways. Yet there are quite a few that still ship with good 'ol Vga.
 
Anyhow, this wasn't about Vga getting removed; It was about Dvi getting removed.

I just wanted to say, if anything should be removed from video cards, it should be Vga. :p
If Dvi were to disappear from upcoming video cards, a lot of us would be out of luck.
 
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