Diablo 3 Discussion Thread

No such thing as tanky enough when it comes to being a demon hunter...also act2 keywarden rapes ranged classes.

Shadow power makes for the craziest class. Virtually indestructible until your shadow power is gone then your are a frail weakling waiting to be 1 shoted.
 
AMD T-type said:
u cannot b serios


so you are saying, on record, that you are tanky enough? you JUST sent this to me yesterday....
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lol, long week? Because i sent it to you today. That guy was dumb for saying that. I've played DH longer than any other class and would never say that. If you go around thinking that as a DH, it's no wonder he died.

But yes, yes I am. ;) My barb can handle MP5 it just takes a little longer to kill stuff. And due to limited time with real life and also wanting to play other games I stick with MP3 for now since I can do runs pretty quickly.
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Just checked out the auction house today. Kind of confused by the prices of things. Are people looking for specific items that are known to be rare? Or is any rare item sold that high?
 
kametsukida said:
http://www.diabro3.com/?armoryURL=h.../24903020&submitButton.x=89&submitButton.y=30

They got me at mp6... mmmmkay :rolleyes:
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You have to keep in mind that the MP they put a character on is the "optimal" MP. Meaning that you can fight through white mobs and Elites with relative ease. You could probably go one or two MP's higher, but it becomes less efficient the higher you go. (Especially with Elites)

Also, your EHP might have placed your character a MP lower as well.

http://www.diabro3.com/?armoryURL=jh24#2152&serverBox=eu

Placed at MP8. Usually I play at MP9 or "farm" white mobs at MP10. Certain Elites are impossible for me at MP10.
 
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You have to keep in mind that the MP they put a character on is the "optimal" MP. Meaning that you can fight through white mobs and Elites with relative ease. You could probably go one or two MP's higher, but it becomes less efficient the higher you go. (Especially with Elites)

Also, your EHP might have placed your character a MP lower as well.

http://www.diabro3.com/?armoryURL=jh24#2152&serverBox=eu

Placed at MP8. Usually I play at MP9 or "farm" white mobs at MP10. Certain Elites are impossible for me at MP10.
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It does make sense when you look at it that way. But it's just frustrating at the same time after spending so much hard earned gold only to see that kind of rating lol. Looks like I need to start stacking some ias and cc. Thanks for posting yours. I die 3 or 4 times when I face an elite on mp10. So I would think you would have no problem on mp10 regardless of elites. But man after looking at your setup I'm wondering just what kind of weapon is needed for an orange rating on that site?
 
kametsukida said:
It does make sense when you look at it that way. But it's just frustrating at the same time after spending so much hard earned gold only to see that kind of rating lol. Looks like I need to start stacking some ias and cc. Thanks for posting yours. I die 3 or 4 times when I face an elite on mp10. So I would think you would have no problem on mp10 regardless of elites. But man after looking at your setup I'm wondering just what kind of weapon is needed for an orange rating on that site?
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Yeah, I don't know how this rating system works, but it does seem to place a lot of value on weapon/armor numbers. I think very few weapons exist which may earn an orange rating.

Even at MP10, as long as you can keep Lifesteal up, every Elite can be taken down. The problem is that certain Elites have difficult affixes. Like for example Nightmarish and Arcane. Every time I'm hit with Nightmarish, 9 out of 10 times my character will run right into the centre of an Arcane Beam. Or an Elite which Vortexes you right back in when another one explodes because of Molten. My EHP is still lacking to play MP10 reliably. Quite a big gap between MP9/10.

Besides DPS (which yours is already very nice) I would also try improving EHP a bit more if possible. (From my experience 530 AR, around 5000/5300 Armor and 45-55k health makes things very manageable at MP8. At MP9/10 you have to be prepared to retreat or escape more often depending on the Elites your facing)
 
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Yeah, I don't know how this rating system works, but it does seem to place a lot of value on weapon/armor numbers. I think very few weapons exist which may earn an orange rating.

Even at MP10, as long as you can keep Lifesteal up, every Elite can be taken down. The problem is that certain Elites have difficult affixes. Like for example Nightmarish and Arcane. Every time I'm hit with Nightmarish, 9 out of 10 times my character will run right into the centre of an Arcane Beam. Or an Elite which Vortexes you right back in when another one explodes because of Molten. My EHP is still lacking to play MP10 reliably. Quite a big gap between MP9/10.

Besides DPS (which yours is already very nice) I would also try improving EHP a bit more if possible. (From my experience 530 AR, around 5000/5300 Armor and 45-55k health makes things very manageable at MP8. At MP9/10 you have to be prepared to retreat or escape more often depending on the Elites your facing)
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Do you remember when you could be chain feared by Nightmarish? :eek:
 
big_aug said:
Do you remember when you could be chain feared by Nightmarish? :eek:
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Yep 1.0.4 pretty much removed the elite from elites

Vortex, Nightmarish, shielding, arcane would pretty much end me every time. I used to have to read what they had before engaging...
 
kametsukida said:
It does make sense when you look at it that way. But it's just frustrating at the same time after spending so much hard earned gold only to see that kind of rating lol. Looks like I need to start stacking some ias and cc. Thanks for posting yours. I die 3 or 4 times when I face an elite on mp10. So I would think you would have no problem on mp10 regardless of elites. But man after looking at your setup I'm wondering just what kind of weapon is needed for an orange rating on that site?
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I have a Schaefer's Hammer on my Barb that is rated 1313. As I mentioned earlier, at least some of the ratings are based on how good your weapon is in relation to how good that weapon could be (I mentioned earlier how a Witching Hour could get a low-ish score for not being a godly roll...but it's still a Witching Hour belt at the end of the day). Your weapons are awesome, but maybe their site thinks the rolls could be higher or something - who knows.

On my Monk I have a Sky Splitter that is green and an Echoing Fury that is yellow, but some Blackthorne's gear that is gooooold! Now that I look at it, this site might be kinda useful for pricing gear...
 
big_aug said:
Do you remember when you could be chain feared by Nightmarish? :eek:
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I hadn't played much before Inferno got changed, but I can remember that about Nightmarish.

stevedave said:
Yep 1.0.4 pretty much removed the elite from elites

Vortex, Nightmarish, shielding, arcane would pretty much end me every time. I used to have to read what they had before engaging...
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Yeah, there were quite some noticeable changes. Almost every Elite worried/scared me back then as even without affixes one hit could take off almost all your HP. Or worse, just one-shot you. Those were good times though IMHO, struggling every step on the way, but it also felt a lot more rewarding than how the situation is now. The gaps between Act 1/2 was huge, the gap between Act 2/3 felt almost just as large.

Lately, I find myself wishing they would add new affixes into the mix. Just to increase variety and unpredictability. I wonder how much things will change if they removed the limits again set one CC and Defensive affixes (only 1 each) Or giving yellow Elites the chance to get Avenger or Health Link as well, or blue Elites the chance to get Horde or Missile Dampening.

I miss the Invulnerable affix. Back then it was broken, but with the better gear around now they might be more manageable. I loved their yellow shields for some reason.
 
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Lately, I find myself wishing they would add new affixes into the mix. Just to increase variety and unpredictability. I wonder how much things will change if they removed the limits again set one CC and Defensive affixes (only 1 each) Or giving yellow Elites the chance to get Avenger or Health Link as well, or blue Elites the chance to get Horde or Missile Dampening.

I miss the Invulnerable affix. Back then it was broken, but with the better gear around now they might be more manageable. I loved their yellow shields for some reason.
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If they had just implemented some design limits on the affixes they never would have had mass complaining in the first place. The problem was never Invulnerable by itself, it was Invulnerable + Fast + X + X. Or enemies like Hulking Phasebeasts that already had a powerful special ability (teleporting) getting 4 other abilities; at that point you're facing monsters that have almost as many skills as you do - most of them far more powerful than anything you have - and no resource management to limit them. There is challenging, and then there is game-breaking.

They were forced to nerf the difficulty on elites because of the same reason that they need to redesign all the loot: it was too random. Combine that difficulty with utterly random loot design and the fact that damage was based on your weapon...it's a recipe for forum tears and outright quitting the game, which is what happened en masse.

They could easily have saved affixes like Invulnerable for those purple-named enemies that are scattered throughout the game - you know, the ones they put in for flavor purposes that drop shit for loot and present no challenge - and implemented tables to control which affixes could spawn with each other, on which enemy types. But instead they let everything spawn on everything, doubled it, and called it a day. No finesse.
 
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@ Aix

You make some very good points, and you're entirely right. They could have done so much better with this. Also, I forgot about Hardcore while making my previous post. You can't just change things like I suggested without taking balance and fairness into account. Although perhaps a clickable option to spawn affixes completely random without restrictions in exchange for a little boost in GF/MF could work.

The purple-named enemies are indeed a joke, a missed opportunity they still haven't fixed. Regarding health and DPS they actually should at least be as strong as an Elite yellow boss IMHO, with a special bonus if you can defeat it. (Like a bonus affix on a rare item or each item it drops creates one additional item) But as they're now there's not that much rewarding or satisfying about them.
 
jh24 said:
@ Aix

You make some very good points, and you're entirely right. They could have done so much better with this. Also, I forgot about Hardcore while making my previous post. You can't just change things like I suggested without taking balance and fairness into account. Although perhaps a clickable option to spawn affixes completely random without restrictions in exchange for a little boost in GF/MF could work.

The purple-named enemies are indeed a joke, a missed opportunity they still haven't fixed. Regarding health and DPS they actually should at least be as strong as an Elite yellow boss IMHO, with a special bonus if you can defeat it. (Like a bonus affix on a rare item or each item it drops creates one additional item) But as they're now there's not that much rewarding or satisfying about them.
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That's what's so frustrating about this game: it's so easy for anyone who played previous Diablo games to come up with ideas that would have added so much depth, yet it was all missed by the actual devs. So much potential squandered. It's to the point now that I don't even read through stuff like that (I read the first bit and skimmed the rest), because while it's amazing in concept I know it's not getting anywhere near the game, so there's no point going off to fantasy land.
 
From the sound of interviews it looks like they are going to keep moving away from the AH and go with more the demonic essence and crafting route. IMO, they are failing to address the main problem - repetitive, predictable, game play.
 
alienate said:
From the sound of interviews it looks like they are going to keep moving away from the AH and go with more the demonic essence and crafting route. IMO, they are failing to address the main problem - repetitive, predictable, game play.
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Which Diablo games were not repetitive and predictable? What are you expecting out of this game? 2.5d Skyrim with different characters and endless mod support?

Seriously, just wow. It's an action RPG, not some super duper in depth open world RPG.
 
jh24 said:
Yeah, I don't know how this rating system works, but it does seem to place a lot of value on weapon/armor numbers. I think very few weapons exist which may earn an orange rating.

Even at MP10, as long as you can keep Lifesteal up, every Elite can be taken down. The problem is that certain Elites have difficult affixes. Like for example Nightmarish and Arcane. Every time I'm hit with Nightmarish, 9 out of 10 times my character will run right into the centre of an Arcane Beam. Or an Elite which Vortexes you right back in when another one explodes because of Molten. My EHP is still lacking to play MP10 reliably. Quite a big gap between MP9/10.

Besides DPS (which yours is already very nice) I would also try improving EHP a bit more if possible. (From my experience 530 AR, around 5000/5300 Armor and 45-55k health makes things very manageable at MP8. At MP9/10 you have to be prepared to retreat or escape more often depending on the Elites your facing)
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Ahh yes I forgot about some of those nasty affixes. I usually run into the clone arcane and end up having a ton of arcane sentries spinning around. Thanks for the tips. I'll work on EHP as well. I really wanted the full Inna's set for the sweeping wind bonus but if I want higher dps it looks like I'm going to have to change that out. Looks like there's no good upgrades for me in the auction house at the moment :(
 
So after taking almost a year off of d3 I have just come back to playing.. And well I found out I suck.. I only have 2x 60's & they are currently paragon 8 for my barb & 9 for my DH.. Both are geared decently, but not great (unbuffed DPS in the 130k range on both).

Anyhow I also have come to learn of the Hellfire rings.. Holy fuck they make you go through some bullshit to get one.. I am trying to get my 1st key & have killed the act 1 guy like 4 times (mp5) and its not dropping.. & to think I have to have 3..

So... Any of you uber's want to help an [H] guy out..
 
bastage said:
So after taking almost a year off of d3 I have just come back to playing.. And well I found out I suck.. I only have 2x 60's & they are currently paragon 8 for my barb & 9 for my DH.. Both are geared decently, but not great (unbuffed DPS in the 130k range on both).

Anyhow I also have come to learn of the Hellfire rings.. Holy fuck they make you go through some bullshit to get one.. I am trying to get my 1st key & have killed the act 1 guy like 4 times (mp5) and its not dropping.. & to think I have to have 3..

So... Any of you uber's want to help an [H] guy out..
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I can help.

Too lazy to dig up my game name, but I've posted it in one form or another several times in this thread. Do a search and add me in game. I'll help get keys.
 
Harkamus said:
I can help.

Too lazy to dig up my game name, but I've posted it in one form or another several times in this thread. Do a search and add me in game. I'll help get keys.
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Added.. And thank you..

Also for anyone who wants to add me my BattleTag is is icehole#1323
 
bastage said:
So after taking almost a year off of d3 I have just come back to playing.. And well I found out I suck.. I only have 2x 60's & they are currently paragon 8 for my barb & 9 for my DH.. Both are geared decently, but not great (unbuffed DPS in the 130k range on both).

Anyhow I also have come to learn of the Hellfire rings.. Holy fuck they make you go through some bullshit to get one.. I am trying to get my 1st key & have killed the act 1 guy like 4 times (mp5) and its not dropping.. & to think I have to have 3..

So... Any of you uber's want to help an [H] guy out..
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Are you at full 5 neph valor stack when fighting them?

Next weekend I could help out on SC. I still need to get a few sets of keys on SC to test the waters.

My Wiz is apparently MP6 bro certified. Its an Akon wiz which is fine for farming, but useless versus infernal bosses.
 
Breath_of_the_Dying said:
Are you at full 5 neph valor stack when fighting them?

Next weekend I could help out on SC. I still need to get a few sets of keys on SC to test the waters.

My Wiz is apparently MP6 bro certified. Its an Akon wiz which is fine for farming, but useless versus infernal bosses.
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I'm only bro certified for mp7. :p
 
Breath_of_the_Dying said:
Are you at full 5 neph valor stack when fighting them?

Next weekend I could help out on SC. I still need to get a few sets of keys on SC to test the waters.

My Wiz is apparently MP6 bro certified. Its an Akon wiz which is fine for farming, but useless versus infernal bosses.
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No I wasnt... The wiki I was following didnt make it at all clear that you need to be. Just that the chances were better.
 
bastage said:
So after taking almost a year off of d3 I have just come back to playing.. And well I found out I suck.. I only have 2x 60's & they are currently paragon 8 for my barb & 9 for my DH.. Both are geared decently, but not great (unbuffed DPS in the 130k range on both).

Anyhow I also have come to learn of the Hellfire rings.. Holy fuck they make you go through some bullshit to get one.. I am trying to get my 1st key & have killed the act 1 guy like 4 times (mp5) and its not dropping.. & to think I have to have 3..

So... Any of you uber's want to help an [H] guy out..
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add me i'll help you farm some keys Cyonik#1603
 
I'm finally giving this game another try. I stopped months ago about half way through hell. Now I've finally reached level 60 and made it to inferno.
 
well im back at it again... With 5 stacks now on MP3 I am a couple times through & nothing so hopefully the odds will be in my favor the next one
 
Got my first legendary drop off some random monster in Act I nightmare today. I was pretty excited until i realized it was for a Monk and I play a barb. It looks pretty decent I think so I guess to the auction house it goes.
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Also that sucks about the whole gold thing. Now its going to be even harder to find a decent priced upgrade on the action house for people like me that play SC.
 
MrWrong said:
Also that sucks about the whole gold thing. Now its going to be even harder to find a decent priced upgrade on the action house for people like me that play SC.
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I think decent gear will still be posted on the GAH but the good gear will be mainly the RMAH unless they raise the 2 billion cap. Most of the really good items are already sold on the rmah,d2jsp, or 3rd party sites anyways.
 
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Why would anyone buy gold or items from the RMAH in diablo 3 ?!?! it's a total rip off! You can buy from many 3rd party sites gold for 1/4th the price blizzard asks. Oh better yet you can buy for just a few dollars any perfect unique item you want too.
 
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