PS4: $399, no online authentication, no used game restrictions...(Post E3 discussion)

Plague_Injected said:
That's a pretty decent deal, actually.

Still, I think that if the service is so good, then it will sell itself without needing to gatekeep regarding online multiplayer.
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PS+ is amazing. I've had it for quite some time and have another year of it paid for already. It is just that Sony doesn't really market it so a lot of people don't know much if at all anything about it.

Every person I know that I showed it too and explained it too was sold once they understood it.

They have what they call an instant game collection when you sign up for PS+. The games rotate out over time but in general get around a dozen or so games right away after signing up.

Each week or nearly every week you get a new game added. This month alone they are giving these games to PS+ members: Uncharted 3, XCom Enemy Unknown, Little Big Planet Karting, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Saints Row the Third, Machinarum, Virtues Last Reward, and Gods Eater (last 2 are Vita games). They give new games away too, a few weeks again Zombie Tycoon 2 came out and on its release day you received the PSN and Vita version for free as a PS+ member.

You get some serious value for your cash with it. The "catch" is you can only access those games that you get from PS+ as long as you are a PS+ member. Otherwise once a game comes out for free on the PS+ you just add it to your chart, check out with it (doesn't charge you since it is free) and it is locked on to your download list to download whenever you want. Also PS+ members get bigger discounts on sale items as well and those you keep forever regardless of PS+ membership.
 
KaOTiK said:
PS+ is amazing. I've had it for quite some time and have another year of it paid for already. It is just that Sony doesn't really market it so a lot of people don't know much if at all anything about it.

Every person I know that I showed it too and explained it too was sold once they understood it.

They have what they call an instant game collection when you sign up for PS+. The games rotate out over time but in general get around a dozen or so games right away after signing up.

Each week or nearly every week you get a new game added. This month alone they are giving these games to PS+ members: Uncharted 3, XCom Enemy Unknown, Little Big Planet Karting, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Saints Row the Third, Machinarum, Virtues Last Reward, and Gods Eater (last 2 are Vita games). They give new games away too, a few weeks again Zombie Tycoon 2 came out and on its release day you received the PSN and Vita version for free as a PS+ member.

You get some serious value for your cash with it. The "catch" is you can only access those games that you get from PS+ as long as you are a PS+ member. Otherwise once a game comes out for free on the PS+ you just add it to your chart, check out with it (doesn't charge you since it is free) and it is locked on to your download list to download whenever you want. Also PS+ members get bigger discounts on sale items as well and those you keep forever regardless of PS+ membership.
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It looked like the discount on a number of games was $5. It's not going to take much to get your annual PSN+ sub cost back.
 
rudy said:
I don't understand how people can try to defend PS+ and say well you get free games etc... First of all XBL has the same perks, sometimes you get free games etc...But its funny how the same people say oh hey the whole point of XBone is to screw us over there is no way any good in the form of lower prices could come from it etc.. But you guys realize that the only reason so many good games came out for PS+ was because on PS3 you didn't need it. 1 and too they were just lubing up your anus so you would be stupid and go oh its great when they announced the forcing of PS+ on the PS4. You realize that if MS is stuck behind than XBL will probably start having better and more free perks to try to drive sales.

So the question how come you guys aren't all sitting around crying about how a lot of those perks will probably become less frequent and of less quality once the PS4 gets a foothold? yet at the same time chastise the removal of used games for the very same reason?
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You need to return to troll school and get some new material. Maybe call random people homosexual or comment about their mothers sexual licentiousness or food consumption or something for a true effect. :p
 
rudy said:
I don't understand how people can try to defend PS+ and say well you get free games etc... First of all XBL has the same perks, sometimes you get free games etc...But its funny how the same people say oh hey the whole point of XBone is to screw us over there is no way any good in the form of lower prices could come from it etc.. But you guys realize that the only reason so many good games came out for PS+ was because on PS3 you didn't need it. 1 and too they were just lubing up your anus so you would be stupid and go oh its great when they announced the forcing of PS+ on the PS4. You realize that if MS is stuck behind than XBL will probably start having better and more free perks to try to drive sales.

So the question how come you guys aren't all sitting around crying about how a lot of those perks will probably become less frequent and of less quality once the PS4 gets a foothold? yet at the same time chastise the removal of used games for the very same reason?
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Eradan said:
It looked like the discount on a number of games was $5. It's not going to take much to get your annual PSN+ sub cost back.
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Try like, 5 minutes.

Shit. PS+, right now. This second:

PS3:

Uncharted 3
Xcom enemy unknown
LittleBigPLanet Karting
Machinarium
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Pinball Arcade
Knytt Underground
Malicious
Labrynth Legends
The Cave
Joe Danger 2: The movie
Vanquish

Vita:

BlazBlue: Continuum Shift
Pinball Arcade
Germinator
Knytt Underground
Soulcalibur broken destiny
Wipeout 2048
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Gravity Rush.

https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-us/free-games/cid=STORE-MSF77008-PSPLUSFREEGAMES

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rudy said:
I don't understand how people can try to defend PS+ and say well you get free games etc... First of all XBL has the same perks, sometimes you get free games etc...But its funny how the same people say oh hey the whole point of XBone is to screw us over there is no way any good in the form of lower prices could come from it etc.. But you guys realize that the only reason so many good games came out for PS+ was because on PS3 you didn't need it. 1 and too they were just lubing up your anus so you would be stupid and go oh its great when they announced the forcing of PS+ on the PS4. You realize that if MS is stuck behind than XBL will probably start having better and more free perks to try to drive sales.

So the question how come you guys aren't all sitting around crying about how a lot of those perks will probably become less frequent and of less quality once the PS4 gets a foothold? yet at the same time chastise the removal of used games for the very same reason?
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Buddy PS Plus has always given games free as Perks. XBOX is just doing it as a staple "offer" now. Stop drinking the kool-aid.

Glad you liked getting reamed paying for XBL without getting anything.
 
Can anybody tell me what song was playing when jack Trenton walked out on stage at e3, I've searched for 30 minutes and still don't know what the hell the name of it is..
 
Creepingdeath1977 said:
Can anybody tell me what song was playing when jack Trenton walked out on stage at e3, I've searched for 30 minutes and still don't know what the hell the name of it is..
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It's from Imagine Dragons. Actually I forget what it sounds like now.. for some reason I am thinking Imagine Dragons lol.. have a link to where he is walking out? I know the song but I cant remember what it sounds like in my head right now. Sounds like Imagine Dragons - Radioactive if I recall though.
 
refraxion said:
Buddy PS Plus has always given games free as Perks. XBOX is just doing it as a staple "offer" now. Stop drinking the kool-aid.

Glad you liked getting reamed paying for XBL without getting anything.
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I am not drinking the koolaid you are, of course they were always giving free games, before it wasn't required to have PS+ to play online so WTF would anyone buy it if they weren't giving a metric shit ton of free games and stuff with it?

You like repeating what I said in my post. but your not seeing the point SONY had to soften people up with a really attractive PS+ on the PS3. When it is now clear they were just setting people up to force it when they moved to the PS4. Watch once PS4 gets a year in people will start bitching about how the free games aren't very good anymore etc....

Just for the record MS fans say the same crap about XBL, for a long time they said various deals they would offer made it worth it. I know a guy who only plays single player and hes cheap as hell but he still gets gold membership for the perks and has for years before PS+ had any traction.

But at the end of the day what it really is is you paying twice for your internet connection. Defending it is drinking the koolaid. Nothing else. I am not trying to defend XBL I am just pointing out the stupidity of defending PS+ while knocking the XBL service.
 
rudy said:
You like repeating what I said in my post. but your not seeing the point SONY had to soften people up with a really attractive PS+ on the PS3. When it is now clear they were just setting people up to force it when they moved to the PS4. Watch once PS4 gets a year in people will start bitching about how the free games aren't very good anymore etc....
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PlayStation Plus is 3 years in, and has offered free games the whole time, so why hasn't the bitching started on that platform yet? If anything the PS4's plus service will be worst at the start when there are fewer games to offer for free, than later with a larger choice. though it will still have discounts.
 
BECAUSE NO ONE IS FORCED TO USE IT FOR ONLINE PLAY.

its really that hard to understand?
 
rudy said:
BECAUSE NO ONE IS FORCED TO USE IT FOR ONLINE PLAY.

its really that hard to understand?
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You seem to have forgotten that the competition already does that, lessening the effect; it's not like everyone else does it for free and they were the only ones.

Though it's not a wonderful thing, Microsoft are still charging more for their lesser service, and offer terrible free games and still use ads everywhere, so you'll need to troll harder or pick better arguments to infuriate people.

Maybe if you were arguing as a pro WiiU user it might make semi sense, but they don't offer free games or discounts.
 
rudy said:
I am not drinking the koolaid you are, of course they were always giving free games, before it wasn't required to have PS+ to play online so WTF would anyone buy it if they weren't giving a metric shit ton of free games and stuff with it?

You like repeating what I said in my post. but your not seeing the point SONY had to soften people up with a really attractive PS+ on the PS3. When it is now clear they were just setting people up to force it when they moved to the PS4. Watch once PS4 gets a year in people will start bitching about how the free games aren't very good anymore etc....

Just for the record MS fans say the same crap about XBL, for a long time they said various deals they would offer made it worth it. I know a guy who only plays single player and hes cheap as hell but he still gets gold membership for the perks and has for years before PS+ had any traction.

But at the end of the day what it really is is you paying twice for your internet connection. Defending it is drinking the koolaid. Nothing else. I am not trying to defend XBL I am just pointing out the stupidity of defending PS+ while knocking the XBL service.
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I'm pointing out the fact that PS plus has always been giving free stuff. Xbox had 0 incentives and people ate it all up. I've always been a PS plus member as it actually IS a good deal and I did so when I had FREE online multiplayer. 4-5 games free a month makes a year membership worth it. I was always going to be a member of psplus, and yes some people may not want to pay for it, but what differentiates the psn with xbl? Way better freebies for being a member. Xbl sucks donkey balls.
 
DeathPrincess said:
You seem to have forgotten that the competition already does that, lessening the effect; it's not like everyone else does it for free and they were the only ones.

Though it's not a wonderful thing, Microsoft are still charging more for their lesser service, and offer terrible free games and still use ads everywhere, so you'll need to troll harder or pick better arguments to infuriate people.

Maybe if you were arguing as a pro WiiU user it might make semi sense, but they don't offer free games or discounts.
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Your still not getting it MS = market leader, SONY = following in their footsteps 1 gen behind. PS4 means that they will have the same forced nature as XBL and their incentive to offer you great games and lots of perks will fall apart. They will now see PS+ as the way to make up for the $100 difference in console prices.

TBH though death princess you just never see anything for what it is, or you always disagree with me so obviously you wont be able to see this its more for others to see not you. Its like trying to explain global warming to a republican trying to explain motivations behind design choices and feature to you.
 
refraxion said:
It's from Imagine Dragons. Actually I forget what it sounds like now.. for some reason I am thinking Imagine Dragons lol.. have a link to where he is walking out? I know the song but I cant remember what it sounds like in my head right now. Sounds like Imagine Dragons - Radioactive if I recall though.
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Thanks man that was it.
 
Wow I figured a joke as common as the "do a 360 and walk away" would have at least made its way to this forum as its been around for years.

Anyways, the whole "You take one look at it, do a 360 and walk away" is an old running joke and yes obviously a 360 would put you back where you started. It was decided that it IS correct because after you do a 360 you moon walk away.

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rudy said:
Your still not getting it MS = market leader, SONY = following in their footsteps 1 gen behind. PS4 means that they will have the same forced nature as XBL and their incentive to offer you great games and lots of perks will fall apart. They will now see PS+ as the way to make up for the $100 difference in console prices.

TBH though death princess you just never see anything for what it is, or you always disagree with me so obviously you wont be able to see this its more for others to see not you. Its like trying to explain global warming to a republican trying to explain motivations behind design choices and feature to you.
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You have again just listed your opinion based on your other opinions rather than backing it with, I don't know something more sensible. Your argument is basically "it will go bad because I believe it will, because reasons". It carries 0 weight because of the huge leaps around you are making and the total lack of a line of reasoning or cause and effect backing it up.

So you've gone from trolling the whole forum with nonsense pifflecrap to specifically me? Also you aren't "describing design choices" you are describing you believe another group of people you have no contact with chose to do, which may or may not be true. You keep coming out with silly crap, ill keep calling you out on your silly crap, nothing personal, so don't feel all victimized.
 
Wait and see. Throwing it out there for less bias people capable of recognizing patterns in business behavior.
 
rudy said:
Wait and see. Throwing it out there for less bias people capable of recognizing patterns in business behavior.
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Again, although you may believe so, you haven't even pointed out a pattern, you've just repeatedly said "this will happen because reasons, you know". So maybe revise your argument to have more weight or more reasoning or write it a bit better. Without doing that it's going to remain hard to get some kind of support.
 
SONY says PS3 will be backward compatible, removes chip
SONY says PS3 can use Linux, Removes ability
SONY says PS+ is not required for online play, but now it is for PS4

Bait and switch its a pattern SONY uses this to get people to buy into their ecosystem then flips it out to try to increase profits and control everything.

MS leads SONY with XBL, forced play, online ecosystem

SONY follows with PS+ soon to be forced play

Once PS4 hits the need to give people as much free content to get them to buy into PS+ is gone.

Clear obvious the fact I have to point it out to you is the problem.
 
rudy said:
SONY says PS3 will be backward compatible, removes chip
SONY says PS3 can use Linux, Removes ability
SONY says PS+ is not required for online play, but now it is for PS4

Bait and switch its a pattern SONY uses this to get people to buy into their ecosystem then flips it out to try to increase profits and control everything.

MS leads SONY with XBL, forced play, online ecosystem

SONY follows with PS+ soon to be forced play

Once PS4 hits the need to give people as much free content to get them to buy into PS+ is gone.

Clear obvious the fact I have to point it out to you is the problem.
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what are you still going on about

are you really that twerked that xbox1 blows?
 
rudy, I have no idea what you're on about. According to your theory, Sony was setting us up all these years with free games on PS+ so they could enforce it on PS4 and then stop the games? That is one hell of a conspiracy theory.

But even if its true, so what? I've been paying for Live Gold for 4 years, and PS+ for 1.5, and have gotten nothing from MS, while Sony has given me hundreds of dollars worth of games. Does that not count for something?

How exactly are they making up for the $100 price with PS+?? it costs $10 less, gives more, and you're free not to get it and still play SP games, of which there are many more on PS3, watch Netflix/Hulu etc without a paywall. MS gives you none of this.

Please take your FUD elsewhere.
 
rudy said:
SONY says PS3 will be backward compatible, removes chip
SONY says PS3 can use Linux, Removes ability
SONY says PS+ is not required for online play, but now it is for PS4

Bait and switch its a pattern SONY uses this to get people to buy into their ecosystem then flips it out to try to increase profits and control everything.

MS leads SONY with XBL, forced play, online ecosystem

SONY follows with PS+ soon to be forced play

Once PS4 hits the need to give people as much free content to get them to buy into PS+ is gone.

Clear obvious the fact I have to point it out to you is the problem.
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Here are some explanations for those. It only takes a little bit of thought to see logical reasons Sony did these things, and I'm not a "PS3 guy":

1. Sony struggled at launch due to the price of the console. Removing the BC from later iterations allowed them to lower the price to be competitive. This was a very good move. IMO, BC is just low hanging fruit to bitch about, when it really doesn't effect anyone. Want to make sure you can still play your PS1/2/3/4/whatever games? Keep the console that plays them.

2. Sony get into a situation where people were using the PS3 in ways they shouldn't, which legally, Sony could be held liable for this. Removing it was a step to mitigate the eventual problems that would occur. I don't agree with this in principle, but it is what it is.

3. Anyone who plays online on the PS3 has a love/hate relationship with it. Yes, it is nice not having to pay to play online multiplayer. Sony was able to do this because they pushed the cost of servers to the publishers/developers. I cannot even begin to tell you the number of times I have been matched up with someone from Brazil in Fifa and the connection is terrible since he is hosting the game. It was a flawed design that surprisingly has held up to now, but just barely. Finally, Sony can purchase servers worth a damn, and that is a very good thing.

The rest of your post is just fanboy drivel. MS and Sony haven't lead a damn thing. All of this stuff was pioneered on PCs by the late 90s.
 
Kryptorchid said:
Here are some explanations for those. It only takes a little bit of thought to see logical reasons Sony did these things, and I'm not a "PS3 guy":

1. Sony struggled at launch due to the price of the console. Removing the BC from later iterations allowed them to lower the price to be competitive. This was a very good move. IMO, BC is just low hanging fruit to bitch about, when it really doesn't effect anyone. Want to make sure you can still play your PS1/2/3/4/whatever games? Keep the console that plays them.

2. Sony get into a situation where people were using the PS3 in ways they shouldn't, which legally, Sony could be held liable for this. Removing it was a step to mitigate the eventual problems that would occur. I don't agree with this in principle, but it is what it is.

3. Anyone who plays online on the PS3 has a love/hate relationship with it. Yes, it is nice not having to pay to play online multiplayer. Sony was able to do this because they pushed the cost of servers to the publishers/developers. I cannot even begin to tell you the number of times I have been matched up with someone from Brazil in Fifa and the connection is terrible since he is hosting the game. It was a flawed design that surprisingly has held up to now, but just barely. Finally, Sony can purchase servers worth a damn, and that is a very good thing.

The rest of your post is just fanboy drivel. MS and Sony haven't lead a damn thing. All of this stuff was pioneered on PCs by the late 90s.
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Sony did have software backwards compatibility and removed that too for whatever reason in later versions of the consoles. I'm sure software BC is a lot cheaper than hardware BC, still to this day wonder why they removed it.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/10/80gb-ps3-takes-a-step-back-on-backwards-compatibility/
 
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Solution: don't buy either console until they work out the bugs and we find out their true intentions with it. :D
 
rudy said:
SONY says PS3 will be backward compatible, removes chip
SONY says PS3 can use Linux, Removes ability
SONY says PS+ is not required for online play, but now it is for PS4

Bait and switch its a pattern SONY uses this to get people to buy into their ecosystem then flips it out to try to increase profits and control everything.

MS leads SONY with XBL, forced play, online ecosystem

SONY follows with PS+ soon to be forced play

Once PS4 hits the need to give people as much free content to get them to buy into PS+ is gone.

Clear obvious the fact I have to point it out to you is the problem.
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See that statement actually contains those things I was point out before, which the other before lacked, although you cling to the belief that they magically did. You've taken your first step (though the last sentence is malformed horrendously).

But here's the problem; it's mostly crap.

Sony said the specific models would be backwards compatible, and to this day still are. All PS3s have never been backwards compatible, nor has it even been stated that they were, nor has this functionality ever been removed from the consoles that had it. If you have one of the backwards compatible boxes it says PS2 compatibility, if you bought the other unit it doesn't.
Linux was a shit feature. Anyone going crazy about Linux support (which wasn't advertised really at all, it didn't say it on the box, most people found out through random comments on forums) likely has no experience of it, if they did they'd know how bad it actually was and how annoying to use it was. Also if you have a compatible console you can still use it if you so choose.
When did Sony say PS+ wasn't required for online on PS4? It still isn't required for PS3 or Vita, which is supposedly what they referred to at the time, unless you expect them to hire teams of psychics.

The people who wanted backwards compatibility bought the units with backwards compatibility, no one bought them for Linux, and if they did they can still use it, then no one has bought a PS4 for it's free online play later to find out when they loaded it up there was a fee. There was no "bait and switch" however much you try and sensationalize.

You still have missed a few points as to why XBL is terrible. It still features ads everyfuckingwhere, is needed for nonsense things like Netflix and to browser the internet and to download demos and also features ads everyfuckingwhere and is horrendously unsecure (plus 99% full of 12 year old idiots, which shall probably become Sony's problem now), oh and it's more expensive and offers nothing worthwhile for "free".

You again state something as if it's factual based on belief of future events. when people present arguments you have to have reasonings behind the statements rather than just lining up words and stuff. You should use the word because and interject reasonings past that point:

"Apples are bad to dental hygiene because they cause tooth erosion due to their high acidity" instead of "Apples are the clearly worst fruit" as you seem to love to do.

You still have to sell services to people otherwise they wont buy them. On the 360, most people don't use Live gold for example. If you decrease the selling points of a service less people will buy them, if they decrease the quality of content they have maintained for 3 years then less people will subscribe to the service.
 
Cypther said:
Sony did have software backwards compatibility and removed that too for whatever reason in later versions of the consoles.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/10/80gb-ps3-takes-a-step-back-on-backwards-compatibility/
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The first models had both the CPU and GPU from the PS2, then later just the "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU (this article is talking about the removal of the CPU) with the CPU part software emulated. It has never been a full software emulation on any console that has had it.
 
DeathPrincess said:
The first models had both the CPU and GPU from the PS2, then later just the "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU (this article is talking about the removal of the CPU) with the CPU part software emulated. It has never been a full software emulation on any console that has had it.
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There's a hack you can do to get software BC back on non BC PS3, I haven't tried it myself but saw some youtube video showing it.


http://30lives.net/sony-lied-ps3-software-backwards-compatibility-hacked-to-run-any-game/
 
Cypther said:
There's a hack you can do to get software BC back on non BC PS3, I haven't tried it myself but saw some youtube video showing it.


http://30lives.net/sony-lied-ps3-software-backwards-compatibility-hacked-to-run-any-game/
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With the hardware they did take the more "lazy" route, but also the easiest. Software emulation is often full of bugs which need to be sorted out, and takes lots of effort to get perfect, and the linked list is a pile of games where a large portion have errors or are unplayable (Devil May Cry, Tekken Tag Tournament, Ratchet & Clank, God of War and Ridge Race V being unplayable would annoy a large number of people). So it might have not been deemed good enough to release.
 
rudy said:
SONY says PS3 will be backward compatible, removes chip
SONY says PS3 can use Linux, Removes ability
SONY says PS+ is not required for online play, but now it is for PS4

Bait and switch its a pattern SONY uses this to get people to buy into their ecosystem then flips it out to try to increase profits and control everything.

MS leads SONY with XBL, forced play, online ecosystem

SONY follows with PS+ soon to be forced play

Once PS4 hits the need to give people as much free content to get them to buy into PS+ is gone.

Clear obvious the fact I have to point it out to you is the problem.
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when did sony say ps+ will be free on ps4? never.

no switching or baiting at all. ps+ wasnt even part of ps4 at the beginning but a ps3 only feature. the ps4 and vita support is added bonus.
 
Also, don't forget Sony have said EXACTLY the same as Microsoft in that they are allowing and leaving the decision to add DRM to the publishers.
 
The Donut said:
Also, don't forget Sony have said EXACTLY the same as Microsoft in that they are allowing and leaving the decision to add DRM to the publishers.
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Not even remotely true at all.

Microsoft have mandated DRM for every title regardless of publishers wishes, though they may add additional DRM.
Sony have mandated no DRM, but have said publishers may add it if they choose.
 
The Donut said:
Also, don't forget Sony have said EXACTLY the same as Microsoft in that they are allowing and leaving the decision to add DRM to the publishers.
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LOL, are you for real dude?

M$ approached the publishers with this DRM bullshit and created this mess while Sony did the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Sony are doing EXACTLY what they're doing with the PS3, it's up to the publishers if they want to be assholes and use the online pass thing EA did which was proved to not be worthwhile even for them profit wise. They didn't build their freaking OS around DRM like M$.
 
Rudy you are essentially correct. Anybody who thinks those incentives won't degrade are fooling themselves. They also don't consider many people are just not interested.

Unfortunately Rudy, I'm probably the last non-fanboy in the thread at this point. I'd be surprised if you find anyone else to agree with your POV.
 
Travolta said:
So, you take one look at it, do a 360 and walk into it? :confused:
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No one has heard that line before? It's a blatant troll post, going back to 2006.

RaZoRbLaDeD said:
Wow I figured a joke as common as the "do a 360 and walk away" would have at least made its way to this forum as its been around for years.

Anyways, the whole "You take one look at it, do a 360 and walk away" is an old running joke and yes obviously a 360 would put you back where you started. It was decided that it IS correct because after you do a 360 you moon walk away.

360_moonwalk.png
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Don't take it too hard, it's a tough crowd. Everything, ever, is a "plot to take money away from the 'honest, hard-working consumer' " around here.

Plague_Injected said:
Holy hell, there is so much cognitive dissonance, groupthink and Stockholm-syndrome in here.
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Or, y'know, people just want to buy a console and play some games. But we'll go with groupthink for $200 Alex.

KaOTiK said:
man some people are just bat shit crazy
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Nah, everything's fine. :rolleyes:
 
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MavericK96 said:
Solution: don't buy either console until they work out the bugs and we find out their true intentions with it. :D
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I'm ok with this. If Microsoft abandoned their DRM and reduced the price I would be interested.

I just... don't like Playstation exclusives, you know? I know many people do, but I just never got into them.
 
RaZoRbLaDeD said:
Wow I figured a joke as common as the "do a 360 and walk away" would have at least made its way to this forum as its been around for years.

Anyways, the whole "You take one look at it, do a 360 and walk away" is an old running joke and yes obviously a 360 would put you back where you started. It was decided that it IS correct because after you do a 360 you moon walk away.
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People just get off on correcting peoples grammer and spelllign and stuff and junk.
 
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