Geforce 770 & 780 coming in May

I do not think the 770 will cost the same or more than the 680. that would make no sense at all. there is a reason the card will be called a 7 series and that's to show improvement over the 6 series at the same or similar price points.
 
It really bothers me that I can get a 7970 3GB for much less than the GTX 770 is going to launch at, have a very evenly matched card, but an extra 33% Vram. Skyrim currently uses my full 2gb Vram. I see noticeable hitching around load/unloads.

Bah.

Might have to find a 680 for cheap. One benefit to the new series, and more than enough @ 1920x1200.
 
cannondale06 said:
I do not think the 770 will cost the same or more than the 680. that would make no sense at all. there is a reason the card will be called a 7 series and that's to show improvement over the 6 series at the same or similar price points.
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It would have to be, unless the 680 drop's a decent amount in price.
 
It would make no sense for nvidia to price the 770 at $499. $399 is the realistic price point for that card.

The 780's rumored price, is all over the place. No one but nvidia, knows the price for that card.
 
cannondale06 said:
I do not think the 770 will cost the same or more than the 680. that would make no sense at all. there is a reason the card will be called a 7 series and that's to show improvement over the 6 series at the same or similar price points.
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No one said that it will be the same price as a 680. not once in this thread.

It will cost roughly what a 670 will cost, but it is for all intents and purposes, just a GTX680 with a new name.
It is not a new card, just a rebranded, slightly improved GTX680, but given that it will be priced about $100 cheaper than a 680, it is still showing an improvement in price/performance.
 
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GoldenTiger said:
Yeah, that's about what I thought myself.
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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1039874750&highlight=#post1039874750

Chances are the high end 700 series card won't even be close to 25%-30% faster than a 680. The Titan barely manages to be. If you want the true performance king of single GPU you will have to get the Titan or wait for Maxwell. The 700 series is just a refresh and for people who don't want to or don't have the cash to spend on a Titan.
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BatJoe said:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php...or don't have the cash to spend on a Titan.
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A) That's not even correct (Titan is 41% faster on average than the GTX 680), and B) Of course this is a refreshing of the 600 series, no one ever contested that.

EDIT: From the hardware canucks review:
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This is mirrored across many reviews.
 
GoldenTiger said:
A) That's not even correct (Titan is 42% faster on average than the GTX 680), and B) Of course this is a refreshing of the 600 series, no one ever contested that.
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Depends on application and resolution/settings. You are using ultra-resolutions as a comparison, which most people don't use. Typical res is 1080p and 1440p. Most would agree Titan is not 40%+ faster than a 680 on typical resolutions. A fair number would be to say Titan is at least 30% faster than the 680, and sometimes this number is higher depending again on application/settings.

Rumors early on were trying to say the high end 700 series part would beat the Titan. I assume this was because for all intents and purposes the Titan falls into the 600 series product line. But it was ridiculous to think this. This later changed to a rumored Titan Ultra, which again is ridiculous to think at this time.
 
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Depends on application and resolution/settings. You are using ultra-resolutions as a comparison, which most people don't use. Typical res is 1080p and 1440p. Most would agree Titan is not 40%+ faster than a 680 on typical resolutions. A fair number would be to say Titan is at least 30% faster than the 680, and sometimes this number is higher depending again on application/settings.

Rumors early on were trying to say the high end 700 series part would beat the Titan. I assume this was because for all intents and purposes the Titan falls into the 600 series product line. But it was ridiculous to think this. This later changed to a rumored Titan Ultra, which again is ridiculous to think at this time.
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I keep up to date on rumors and never even heard that one :p . As far as "normal resolutions", please, like someone would (reasonably) buy a $1,000 video card and not have a $300-400 IPS 2560x1440 or even a 30" 2560x1600 monitor to go with it... (or 120hz).
 
GoldenTiger said:
I keep up to date on rumors and never even heard that one :p . As far as "normal resolutions", please, like someone would (reasonably) buy a $1,000 video card and not have a $300-400 IPS 2560x1440 or even a 30" 2560x1600 monitor to go with it... (or 120hz).
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I think you'd be surprised. I bet there are plenty of people using a Titan with a 1080p monitor, which is perfectly fine to do.

Metro Last Light @ 1080p and 2xSSAA is playable but still pushes the Titan. You can't even play it with 2xSSAA and 1440p and above with a single Titan unless you want slowdowns. IMHO, 1080p@2xSSAA will look better than 1440p@0xSSAA.
 
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I think you'd be surprised. I bet there are plenty of people using a Titan with a 1080p monitor, which is perfectly fine to do.

Metro Last Light @ 1080p and 2xSSAA is playable but still pushes the Titan. You can't even play it with 2xSSAA and 1440p and above with a single Titan unless you want slowdowns. IMHO, 1080p@2xSSAA will look better than 1440p@0xSSAA.
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Let's be clear: the monitor you view is about 80% of what you experience when gaming on the PC, so I find it ridiculous when someone spends 2000$ on GPUs but as the viewing portal, they use a completely cheap piece of junk TN monitor.
I'm going to take a wild guess and state that you've never used anything but a 1080p monitor though, confirmation bias I suppose?

With regard to your SSAA comment. First you're wrong, because 2560x1440 has double the pixels therefore it will always be higher in quality even at lower AA settings, on similarly sized screens. Additionally, SSAA is the most GPU intensive form of AA used and should not be used outside of old titles. I'm really not sure why it's included, because it really isn't usable for 99% of users.
 
xoleras said:
Let's be clear: the monitor you view is about 80% of what you experience when gaming on the PC, so I find it ridiculous when someone spends 2000$ on GPUs but as the viewing portal, they use a completely cheap piece of junk TN monitor.
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I agree. But who said anything about TN? And there are plenty of VA and IPS monitors that are 1080p.

Also your comment about 1080p looking better is just wrong. 2560x1440 has nearly double the pixels of 1080p, therefore it will always look better on similarly sized screens.
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Not really. If we use Metro Last Light as an example. 1080p@2xSSAA on a single Titan is playable and essentially renders the game at 2688x1512p. As you can see thats higher than 2560x1440p, which Last Light is not playable at with max settings and 2xSSAA. If you want playable framerates with max settings you must turn off SSAA, which means you are using the built in AA solution, which isn't as good. Personally, I would have like to have seen SMAA as options, but SSAA is what they gave us.

The point I am trying to make is that even at 1080p it is possible to stress the Titan other than pushing up the base resolution. So saying you must own a 1440p or higher monitor to take advantage of the Titan isn't correct.

I'm going to take a wild guess and state that you've never used anything but a 1080p monitor though, confirmation bias I suppose?
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I have used TN panels, VA panels, IPS panels, and PLS panels. At both 1080p and 1440p. I have gone through a lot of monitors to find the one I think offers the best image quality. I eventually settled on a VA panel for its superior contrast and blacks over TN, IPS, and PLS panels.
 
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Well xoleras will be upset to find out that my [...] NEC LCDs are only being driven by a $999 graphics card. I didn't know there was a required expenditure ratio ... :D
 
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Well xoleras will be upset to find out that my $3600 of NEC LCDs are only being driven by a $999 graphics card. I didn't know there was a required expenditure ratio ... :D
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No one said there needs to be a ratio, but rather that he was suggesting pretty mismatched parts are a majority of Titan users.
 
RadXge said:
A GTX 780 3GB for sale ...
http://gigglehd.com/zbxe/9832881
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Yes, because $1143.91 US ($887.90 EU) is a good price for a card supposedly slower then a GTX Titan :p Current conversion is $1 EU to $1.28 US, I love these early leak prices. Also looks like the predicted leak date was pretty accurate, May 16th, so only 1 day off.

EDIT: Sry, didn't take international date line into account, leak date is dead on.
 
RangerXML said:
Yes, because $1143.91 US ($887.90 EU) is a good price for a card supposedly slower then a GTX Titan :p Current conversion is $1 EU to $1.28 US, I love these early leak prices. Also looks like the predicted leak date was pretty accurate, May 16th, so only 1 day off.

EDIT: Sry, didn't take international date line into account, leak date is dead on.
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That link is a Repost from days ago. These leaks aren't current and thus I would say your predictions were several late. Still not bad ;).
 
It wasn't my prediction, one of the sites was saying 23rd with a chance that by the 16th some cards would start leaking onto the market. I'm just excited they are finally showing up.
 
RangerXML said:
It wasn't my prediction, one of the sites was saying 23rd with a chance that by the 16th some cards would start leaking onto the market. I'm just excited they are finally showing up.
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Sorry, I just realized I misread your post LOL. I thought you said it was yours, but you actually hadn't.
 
Well, if the GTX 780 has 2304 Processors and the rest of specs BatJoe posted than it should be far enough away from Titan numbers not to piss off everyone that has picked one up, and ahead of GTX 680 enough to easily be a worthy upgrade for those who need the extra bandwidth (384bit & 3Gb) that a 4Gb 670/680 just couldn't do.
Now I truly hope it wont be more than $549, but knowing Nvidia....Either way, I'm taking the 780 plunge for my first new team green card since a Gf3 Ti 200 128mb.
P.S. anyone in eastern Canada need a gently used 5870? :p
 
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Not really. If we use Metro Last Light as an example. 1080p@2xSSAA on a single Titan is playable and essentially renders the game at 2688x1512p.
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Just as a correction, this is not true - it isn't 2688x1512p. That would only be the case with OGSSAA, which is rarely used (I don't think anything uses it anymore), Metro: LL is actually using Sparse Grid. I actually believe that nV's drivers do not support OGSSAA, the last I saw of it was in AMD's CCC years ago. OGSSAA is the least efficienct variant of SSAA hence it isn't really used.

Besides which, I don't know about you but I can't think of many games outside of years old titles that are playable with SSAA. SSAA is a neat feature for screenshots but is so GPU intensive, it isn't realistic to ever use - it easily drops your framerate by 60% or more depending on which variant you use.
 
It's interesting to me that the biggest gains on the Titan are at 5760.

I really like my FT03 case, but I want more GPU power to push the 144hz screens.

My options are:

1. Sell the 680s, buy two 780s
2. Go back to an ATX case and go 3 or 4 680 and wait for the next gen Nvidia cards.

I'm afraid I won't get that much for the 680s and I'm afraid the 780s will still leave me wanting more. I'm not quite sold on the Titans (at current costs).

If I go back to ATX, I would want to see where the LGA2011 platform is going (X99?) Also, I have not found much info on the PCIE lanes of the Z87 boards - I assume it's the same situation as with the Z67/77

From a simplicity standpoint, going with higher end dual cards will be easiest, but I wonder how 3x680 will stack against 2x780

I suspect that the 780 cards will be monstrous if you can get them into the 1100-1300 clock range but I'm not sure my system will keep them cool enough.
 
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Well, if the GTX 780 has 2304 Processors and the rest of specs BatJoe posted than it should be far enough away from Titan numbers not to piss off everyone that has picked one up, and ahead of GTX 680 enough to easily be a worthy upgrade for those who need the extra bandwidth (384bit & 3Gb) that a 4Gb 670/680 just couldn't do.
Now I truly hope it wont be more than $549, but knowing Nvidia....Either way, I'm taking the 780 plunge for my first new team green card since a Gf3 Ti 200 128mb.
P.S. anyone in eastern Canada need a gently used 5870? :p
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This is how I feel as well. The GTX 780 being fast enough to distinguish itself from a 680/770....and at the same time, not being literally right behind the Titan's tail. With that said, I hope nvidia prices the GTX 780 accordingly...hopefully $549 like you said....remember, we originally thought the GTX 780 was suppose to ship with 5gb VRAM and more cuda cores....and cost way more than $600....so if it's slimming down on some of the feature set, I hope NV prices it accordingly.
 
dukenuke88 said:
This is how I feel as well. The GTX 780 being fast enough to distinguish itself from a 680/770....and at the same time, not being literally right behind the Titan's tail. With that said, I hope nvidia prices the GTX 780 accordingly...hopefully $549 like you said....remember, we originally thought the GTX 780 was suppose to ship with 5gb VRAM and more cuda cores....and cost way more than $600....so if it's slimming down on some of the feature set, I hope NV prices it accordingly.
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I hope its priced competitively.. maybe that'll lower the Titan's price!!
 
About the not insulting titan owners. THey can price it higher at release (closer to titan) while lowering titans price alittle then lower the 780 price pretty shortly after release. this is probably too much guesswork to be true btw.
 
I'm sure everyone is hoping for 499, but doesn't expect it. Personally my hunch is 499-549, but I wouldn't be shocked at 599.

By the way, NDA lift @ 9am Eastern, on May 23rd (date already well-known).
 
If it's 500euro, going by history, it should probably ending up selling anywhere between $500-600.

7 more days and we will find out :p.
 
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Than $699 in North America, as I thought. I know the conversion is a little less, but expect retailers to bump the price up.
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Retailers like who? Performance-PCs? Amazon third-party sellers?

Newegg will sell at MSRP at launch. Brands like PNY will over charge.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Retailers like who? Performance-PCs? Amazon third-party sellers?

Newegg will sell at MSRP at launch. Brands like PNY will over charge.
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$500 euro is roughly $650 US. nVidia usually releases products at $499, $599, $999, etc. So that is what makes me believe it will be priced at $699 in North America. That would be an acceptable price at its specs compared to the Titan. Remember, most agree the Titan is overpriced, so its to be expected the 780 will be considered overpriced as well, as it is also of the same branch. It would be nice if it were cheaper, just as it would be nice if the Titan was cheaper, but nVidia can price such large premiums on their high end products.
 
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$500 euro is roughly $650 US. nVidia usually releases products at $499, $599, $999, etc. So that is what makes me believe it will be priced at $699 in North America. That would be an acceptable price at its specs compared to the Titan. Remember, most agree the Titan is overpriced, so its to be expected the 780 will be considered overpriced as well, as it is also of the same branch. It would be nice if it were cheaper, just as it would be nice if the Titan was cheaper, but nVidia can price such large premiums on their high end products.
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I don't mind a $699 780...if it was 6GB.

3GB $599
6GB $699

Not interest in a $699 3GB card.
 
WorldExclusive said:
I don't mind a $699 780...if it was 6GB.

3GB $599
6GB $699

Not interest in a $699 3GB card.
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Yes, well I don't disagree with you. I hope it is cheaper, I just don't believe it will be.

Truly, I believe the Titan is $100 overpriced. Because it has less raw performance than the 690 at the same price. So chances are the 780 will also be $100 overpriced.
 
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