Microsoft Windows 8, not impressed.

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Zune/Windows Phone-borne Metro forced onto desktop PC = elephant trying to hide under a lampshade, and if you point it out you're a "hater" and "don't like change", even if you've been a diehard Microsoft user for 25 years.

Windows 8 is more response to competitive pressure than an attempt to innovate on their own terms to move the technology forward. Microsoft has begun to morph Windows into something unrecognizable, especially to experienced users. They could have bifurcated the product allowing the users to choose what was right for their needs, instead they created a technological Frankenstein that some like while frustrating others.

If this was about "survival" for Microsoft and reclaiming lost platform share, now wasn't the time to be polarizing.
 
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Faster in BF3 and MW3. What is the complaint? From what I remember, Vista and 7 were slightly slower than their predecessors for gaming at release. The fact that it's faster at all is startling.
 
Obviously it's fine not to like Windows 8, but it would be nice if every Hate8 thread weren't all the same.
 
No issues here with it. I even installed it on my wifes computer while she was at work. Came in and she was already using it. Asked her if she had any questions about it, and she said"nope its the same thing as win 7 just a different menu. Same thing and just as easy."
 
corrupted223 said:
No issues here with it. I even installed it on my wifes computer while she was at work. Came in and she was already using it. Asked her if she had any questions about it, and she said"nope its the same thing as win 7 just a different menu. Same thing and just as easy."
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LOL my ass. I guess it is just as easy if all you do is click "internet" and write an email. Anything beyond that it is complicated beyond all need. 2 different control panels? GREAT! Don't just click a button, wave your mouse in the corner and wait for its delay to pop up a menu that you then move your mouse to! Don't just move your mouse there! GREAT!

This will go down in flames until they make METRO optional. If you want a tablet, buy a tablet. If you are using a desktop or a non-touch laptop, this interface is a time waster.
 
I think Microsoft built Windows 8 not expecting businesses and power users to upgrade to it. Since Microsoft does not release separate home/work OSes anymore, I don't doubt that Windows 9 will move back towards a productivity focused release.
 
y0bailey said:
LOL my ass. I guess it is just as easy if all you do is click "internet" and write an email. Anything beyond that it is complicated beyond all need. 2 different control panels? GREAT! Don't just click a button, wave your mouse in the corner and wait for its delay to pop up a menu that you then move your mouse to! Don't just move your mouse there! GREAT!

This will go down in flames until they make METRO optional. If you want a tablet, buy a tablet. If you are using a desktop or a non-touch laptop, this interface is a time waster.
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Now we see the true face of most Windows haters. Rejecting any proof that Windows 8 is usable/good and spreading their sensationalism.
 
y0bailey said:
LOL my ass. I guess it is just as easy if all you do is click "internet" and write an email. Anything beyond that it is complicated beyond all need. 2 different control panels? GREAT! Don't just click a button, wave your mouse in the corner and wait for its delay to pop up a menu that you then move your mouse to! Don't just move your mouse there! GREAT!
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When did spending a lot of time in the Control Panel become a productive activity? There's really not two different control panels. PC Settings are a different set of options that control Metro, the classic Control Panel manages the desktop as it always have. The things in PC Settings never existed in the Control Panel. And really, how many average users are anything but lost in the Control Panel anyway?

y0bailey said:
This will go down in flames until they make METRO optional. If you want a tablet, buy a tablet. If you are using a desktop or a non-touch laptop, this interface is a time waster.
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Not so sure about that as a lot of people who say this say things that are true. The hot corners are instant, there's no delay. And on laptops with track pads the finger swiping is super simple.
 
Tsumi said:
Now we see the true face of most Windows haters. Rejecting any proof that Windows 8 is usable/good and spreading their sensationalism.
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I freaking love windows. I have never had to bash an MS product prior to this release. I always started out fresh using their updated interface (never needed "classic" views) and adapted. There is no windows hating prior to this.

This is just so impossible to love in a desktop setup that I honestly feel slightly sick to my stomach. I usually enjoy exploring the ins and out of a new operating system, and this was a flat out tiresome experience.

Time will tell, but I would put a LARGE bet that windows 8 will be a huge flop, unless they decide to compromise on the METRO lock-down.
 
y0bailey said:
I freaking love windows. I have never had to bash an MS product prior to this release. I always started out fresh using their updated interface (never needed "classic" views) and adapted. There is no windows hating prior to this.

This is just so impossible to love in a desktop setup that I honestly feel slightly sick to my stomach. I usually enjoy exploring the ins and out of a new operating system, and this was a flat out tiresome experience.

Time will tell, but I would put a LARGE bet that windows 8 will be a huge flop, unless they decide to compromise on the METRO lock-down.
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And because YOU hate it means EVERYONE ELSE has to hate it as well?

Egotistic and self-centered doesn't even begin to describe it.
 
Yes. I am god.

Seriously though...I never said you had to believe me or base your decisions based on what I said. I am just offering my opinion, and de-bunking your statement/"review."

Your personal attacks are non-productive.
 
y0bailey said:
Yes. I am god.

Seriously though...I never said you had to believe me or base your decisions based on what I said. I am just offering my opinion, and de-bunking your statement/"review."

Your personal attacks are non-productive.
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Sorry I can't read your mind, but your first post sure acted like that was what you were saying.
 
I just wish they could make these beautiful buttons bigger, they look awesome on my eyefinity setup
 
Nielo TM said:
I wonder if people felt the same way about Win95
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No way. At least I never felt the same way. Windows 95 was worlds ahead compare to Windows 3.1. Also, I don't think you can compare the transition from 7 -> 8 to 3.1 -> 95 since 8 is more of a hybrid OS than a total re-haul that 95 was.
 
myelin1 said:
they did! i recall the jump from 3.11 to 95. some people can't stand change.
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To be honest I remember 3.1 to 95, and it was a welcome change. As 95 was a huge improvement over the previous interface.
 
MikeTrike said:
To be honest I remember 3.1 to 95, and it was a welcome change. As 95 was a huge improvement over the previous interface.
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let's not derail much, but the complaints i recall were related to initial stability (BSOD) and increased memory requirements relative to 3.11.
 
myelin1 said:
let's not derail much, but the complaints i recall were related to initial stability (BSOD) and increased memory requirements relative to 3.11.
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I would not deny that, it was indeed more resource intensive and crash-happy.

On the other hand, I'm looking forward to my Asus W8 tablet to get here next Tuesday. :)

But fuck the UI on my desktop. :D lol
 
MikeTrike said:
But fuck the UI on my desktop. :D lol
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To me that's what doesn't make sense, moving from one device to another with different UI, and even having that one device that both a tablet and a laptop/desktop all at the same time.

The more people use Windows 8 on tablets and move back for forth between keyboards and mice and touch the less and less people are going to care about the Start Menu.
 
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To me that's what doesn't make sense, moving from one device to another with different UI, and even having that one device that both a tablet and a laptop/desktop all at the same time.

The more people use Windows 8 on tablets and move back for forth between keyboards and mice and touch the less and less people are going to care about the Start Menu.
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I'm unable to use the UI efficiently on my multi screen setup. If I want to dump my multi screens and maybe change my mouse for a touch pad or maybe a touch screen then I could probably live with it. But why on earth do I want to be waiving my arms in front of my face all day to work on things? Isn't that the purpose of a tablet, relax yourself and arms while using a touch interface? It's the same argument I have for PC analog interfaces vs. console analog interfaces. The PC controls have better analog precision vs. sliding your fingers all over the place.

It's the precision that I hate losing. So maybe call it an OCD type thing that just gets under my fucking skin and makes me cringe when I can feel that I'm taking longer to do something. Even if its a fraction of a second it annoys me. Because in my head I'm aware that if I'm performing actions dozens of times it adds up. Given that I spend 12-14 hours between my work and at home on a computer, that's a lot of fucking time. lol
 
MikeTrike said:
I'm unable to use the UI efficiently on my multi screen setup. If I want to dump my multi screens and maybe change my mouse for a touch pad or maybe a touch screen then I could probably live with it. But why on earth do I want to be waiving my arms in front of my face all day to work on things? Isn't that the purpose of a tablet, relax yourself and arms while using a touch interface? It's the same argument I have for PC analog interfaces vs. console analog interfaces. The PC controls have better analog precision vs. sliding your fingers all over the place.

It's the precision that I hate losing. So maybe call it an OCD type thing that just gets under my fucking skin and makes me cringe when I can feel that I'm taking longer to do something. Even if its a fraction of a second it annoys me. Because in my head I'm aware that if I'm performing actions dozens of times it adds up. Given that I spend 12-14 hours between my work and at home on a computer, that's a lot of fucking time. lol
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I guess I don't know what is lost with the Start Menu, speed and precision certainly have been one of them for me with my dual monitor setup with a keyboard and mouse, works just like it would in Windows 7. Admittedly the Start Screen is a bit limited in some ways but I have 600 short cuts on my Start Screen, and with this Microsoft Touch Mouse is a breeze to fly through that list, something that's just not workable with the Start Menu.

Metro apps of course aren't multi-monitor friendly, the big issue being that the Metro app screen of focus moves to the screen you open the Start Screen from if you happen to open the Start Screen from a different screen than the currently running Metro app.

I would love to do a usability study of a person that doesn't like Metro to see what really makes them tick because I really don't get this loss of precision or speed or efficiency argument, at least when just dealing with the Start Screen and desktop apps.
 
I guess the short answer would be "it doesn't enhance anything for me in particular. When it does, I'll go ahead and start using it."
 
MikeTrike said:
I guess the short answer would be "it doesn't enhance anything for me in particular. When it does, I'll go ahead and start using it."
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Which I think is a perfectly reasonable answer and I can understand that. So long as you're on a desktop/laptop I can understand that perspective. Start using touch and moving between devices and input types; I think it makes all the difference in the world how one sees Metro and just well balanced it is with both touch and keyboards and mice. Not perfect, but it definitely works much better across input types and form factors than the old UI.

I know that people say one size fits all, but when you have an x86 tablet you have a one size fits all kind of device.
 
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I've been taken by Start8. I like it and put it on my wife's as well. She was able to figure out the new things within a few minutes, but also found it kinda retarded on a desktop. Luckily her 2nd screen was on the left and did not make the right menu hard to bring up.
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

Classic Shell is a free alternative though.
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
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Tried both of those.. Start8 felt a little bloaty, as Stardock's software always has. In general I'd prefer native start menu code over replicas. Thus StartIsBack is the best thing going, at least the best one I've found, since it is the only one I'm aware of using the actual native start menu code left in explorer.exe, which according to the programmer couldn't simply be deleted out by MS since it's tied with jump list code and would have required rearchitecting explorer.exe code, which they probably won't bother with until the next version of windows.

http://www.startisback.com/
 
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Well my W8 tablet will be here Tuesday, and I expect that I will be taken by the interface. As i'll get to use it the way it was intended to be used. I don't agree that there is such a thing as "one size fits all." As everything in the world benefits from variation as a whole. Linear things are generally sub-optimal as far as success is concerned in the real world.

I hate my iPad, the only thing I use it for is occasional RDP, facebook and email. But that's mostly because I did not like having it jailbroken to do things I should be able to do. I think this is where the W8 tablet will shine for me, I'll be able to do more. No longer wanting to smash my tablet in the face of somebody at Apple.
 
odditory said:
Highly recommend this one...... http://www.startisback.com/
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Nice, I'll send that one to my Technobabble fb group, I'm sure they'll go ape shit over yet another one. :)

I kinda like the simple 8 styling, and Start8 takes advantage of that styling. If I wanted it to look like 7, I would not have bothered upgrading. Though the biggest thing i've noticed is the performance boost. That right there was worth it. Also in the [H]ot deals subforum you can get the upgrade for $15 bucks. :D
 
Anybody remember the mini shitstorm that erupted when people found out that the classic start menu was removed from Windows 7?
 
GushpinBob said:
Anybody remember the mini shitstorm that erupted when people found out that the classic start menu was removed from Windows 7?
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Hardly comparable. Classic vs regular Start menu in W7 boiled down to a matter of skinning. With Windows 8 we're talking about the wholesale iPadification of Windows, and the list of features and functionality crippled/removed/sacrificed/dumbed down is a mile long.

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/156585-features-and-options-removed-in-windows-8/
 
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Some people making excuses for Microsoft are the biggest tools.

So many of us hate it but no we're all wrong cause we didn't use it and we're all hating. Yup none of us have used windows since 3.1. Or been network windows admins. Or have become user interface experts through software development in our own right. Nope. We're all clearly all fucking morons that can't appreciate Microsoft's genius.
 
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Are there any program incompatibilities for W8? I'm going to put it on a build for my parents but have not played around with it myself yet. I'm assuming anything that runs on 7 will run on 8?
 
Why don't you actually try responding with valid criticisms? I get that people won't like different things, it's all personal preference.

Also, when have I ever called you a moron? Because my opinion doesn't match that of yours I'm automatically inferior?
 
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