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Comments: The Radioactive Waste of the Web
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LeninGHOLA
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An Irish person writing about belligerence? Well, at least he has a wealth of knowledge on the subject.
(joke)
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Outamyhead
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I'll get my coat.
sfsuphysics
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How does the old saying go?
The internet gave a voice to everyone on Earth, the problem is they don't realize that no one wants to hear what they say most of the time!
The internet gave a voice to everyone on Earth, the problem is they don't realize that no one wants to hear what they say most of the time!
Outamyhead
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Freedom of speech, even if it's complete crap.
The internet: A digital version of the soap box for you to spout nonsense from.
The internet: A digital version of the soap box for you to spout nonsense from.
bucket
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"Toxic waste" of honesty, that is. People will normally put up with all manner of bullshit in real life, it's only when they are free from these social constraints and safely within the pseudo-anonymity of the intramanets do they finally start voicing their true opinions and beliefs.
I think this is the true problem.
People need to be more vocal about their ideas and views. Talking more and being open to learning a thing or two and getting a different viewpoints can really help you in life.
People have a tendency to keep things like religion, politics, world views, etc inside and not let people know.
Me personally? I am who I am both online and off...got to keep it real!
kbrickley
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I would hope that some people just like to Troll and expose beliefs to create arguments ... it would be pretty horrifying if people actually believed even half of some of the things they espouse on the Internet
DeathPrincess
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Once upon a time, every village had it's idiot. Then people decided to link all the villages together. So now the world has to deal with 2000000 idiots.
kbrickley
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If it were ONLY two million I would think that would be pretty grand ... since we have at least 535 village idiots in Washington DC (wait for it ... it will come to you) I suspect that number is short by about 3 zeros
blitzkommando
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I don't know why, but I read this in this voice
Good news, everybody! I've invented a machine that will allow only intelligent, reasoned, and polite comments to be posted online. Unfortunately it seems to have erased the entire contents of the internet and left us in the time that history forgot, the period known as time before the internet.
Red Machine D
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The only radioactive waste of the internet I can think of is 4chan.
Oh, there is worse than 4chan. 4chan is like heaven compared to these.
He does make a good point about people not spending time to have a thorough debate.
What is a debate for? Do you want to change someone's mind? Do you want to beat them up? Do you want to understand why their opinion differs from yours? Most don't know, they just do. And with ever increasing options to communicate, the quality continues to slide.
How many celebrities now have checked into clinics for depression or attempted suicide because of evil comments from Twitter? That's why I do not participate, and why I closed my FB account. I do not care about "nobody." And that's what all this social chat is geared towards. I care about friends and family, that's it. I only chime in here due to some common interests with others on here, so you guys are "acquaintances."
You cannot argue opinions and hope to accomplish anything. If you lack the desire to hang around and find out the facts behind the opinions, then compare and debate those facts, then you may as well STFU!
What is a debate for? Do you want to change someone's mind? Do you want to beat them up? Do you want to understand why their opinion differs from yours? Most don't know, they just do. And with ever increasing options to communicate, the quality continues to slide.
How many celebrities now have checked into clinics for depression or attempted suicide because of evil comments from Twitter? That's why I do not participate, and why I closed my FB account. I do not care about "nobody." And that's what all this social chat is geared towards. I care about friends and family, that's it. I only chime in here due to some common interests with others on here, so you guys are "acquaintances."
You cannot argue opinions and hope to accomplish anything. If you lack the desire to hang around and find out the facts behind the opinions, then compare and debate those facts, then you may as well STFU!
Ashbringer
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For me the comments are 10x better then the article. Majority of the comments are crap, but you gems every so often. Anything from being insightful to links to more interesting articles.
Also there's open source. If the internet can prove anything about community support, it's these sort of sites. When I have a technical question, or wanna share a bug I've found, the people on forums are really wonderful.
The point is your commentator's are not very different then the people who created the articles they comment on. Every site will attract a moron every once in a while, but sites like Gizmodo are made by the morons for the morons. If you put up trash then you'll attract nothing but trash.
Also there's open source. If the internet can prove anything about community support, it's these sort of sites. When I have a technical question, or wanna share a bug I've found, the people on forums are really wonderful.
The point is your commentator's are not very different then the people who created the articles they comment on. Every site will attract a moron every once in a while, but sites like Gizmodo are made by the morons for the morons. If you put up trash then you'll attract nothing but trash.
He does make a good point about people not spending time to have a thorough debate.
What is a debate for? Do you want to change someone's mind? Do you want to beat them up? Do you want to understand why their opinion differs from yours? Most don't know, they just do. And with ever increasing options to communicate, the quality continues to slide.
How many celebrities now have checked into clinics for depression or attempted suicide because of evil comments from Twitter? That's why I do not participate, and why I closed my FB account. I do not care about "nobody." And that's what all this social chat is geared towards. I care about friends and family, that's it. I only chime in here due to some common interests with others on here, so you guys are "acquaintances."
You cannot argue opinions and hope to accomplish anything. If you lack the desire to hang around and find out the facts behind the opinions, then compare and debate those facts, then you may as well STFU!
What you need is a mass-debate.
Is it honesty or is it talking before thinking?
"Those who know do not speak; those who speak do not know"
Mine are the ones which are the gems, arent they?
Everybody gives their version, in their words. You have to figure out where they are coming from, and where they are trying to lead you.
DarkStar_WNY
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Good point, but you also can't seperate that from the fact that the anonymity also allows people inner bully/douchebag to come out, and they will treat people far worse then they ever would in real life.
Maybe, but problem is, there's a time and place for that. More often than not, it can cause problems, particularly at work.
I don't have any problem having a mature and relaxed discussion about these kinds of things, but I'm not a fan of being preached to by the extremist fringes (which has happened enough to put me off even bringing it up in the first place.)
Monkey God
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Its true, the more people that have gotten online, the quality of information has degraded accordingly. BUT- intelligent, self-aware people can pick and choose where they go, what they listen to, etc. Filter what goes in and out of your brain. Take a bit of responsibility for yourself.
Wow look at that, I never realized this was a saying. I've just felt that way for the longest time.
I find that most (not all) people are afraid of criticism.
Amen!
I like to think so. I'm interpreting your "some" as a VERY small portion of the Trolling community.I would hope that some people just like to Troll and expose beliefs to create arguments ... it would be pretty horrifying if people actually believed even half of some of the things they espouse on the Internet
Too much thinking required. Can't fit that in with all the FaceTwitTubing and fish face photo ops. Seriously though, the biggest problem is that some people just don't think for whatever reason or just lack the ability to to think critically.
mastaBlasta
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but with 4chan you see how much racism still pervades the world. Or maybe hive mentality encourages people that would normally not make racists comments to go ahead and be racist.
Monkey God
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Trolling <> racism. People like to push buttons. Racism is a very sensitive button.
I've had a similar saying I've used several times.
"The great thing about the Internet is that it gives everyone a voice.
The bad thing about the Internet is that it gives everyone a voice."
Brilliant!
Comments after articles and worse, youtube videos, are the worst of the worst. Blogs are little better--there are some gems, but most are heavily biased and/or unsourced opinion. Forums with fair moderation are usually decent, but you're stuck reading the shitty opinions while scrolling to the informative posts, and debate is usually a slightly more polite version of the shouting that goes on in comments sections.
I like the weighted forum approach where the community decides what is useful and what is not, but that tends to lead to the lowest common denominator getting the most attention, sort of a Jay Leno approach.
Still looking for that perfect means of online communication...
Comments: Danger to lazy authors who repeatedly get called on their BS.
Yes, any comment system that allows itself to be destroyed "for the lolz" will be. Any comment system will be dominated by the lowest common commenter (I have no idea why google keeps a comment system on utube. Maybe it is just supplies data for idiotic comment detection algorithms.
Twenty years ago USENET was alive and well (and some people read the articles as well...). Oddly enough, the reader was all client-side and under control of the user (technically HTML is rendered however the user wants, but no web designer worth his salt allows it). Killfiles simply standardized ignore lists, and allowed users to maintain something of a signal to noise ratio (and allowed the ubertrolls the greatest recognition of their art: the thunderplonk. Some trolls were so toxic that any thread they posted to turned to noise, this option hid the whole thread. Note that throwaway alts weren't terribly common and it was relatively easy to ignore an entire server if necessary. I suspect that this unmodded structure couldn't hold up to today's relentless trolls.
Yes, any comment system that allows itself to be destroyed "for the lolz" will be. Any comment system will be dominated by the lowest common commenter (I have no idea why google keeps a comment system on utube. Maybe it is just supplies data for idiotic comment detection algorithms.
Twenty years ago USENET was alive and well (and some people read the articles as well...). Oddly enough, the reader was all client-side and under control of the user (technically HTML is rendered however the user wants, but no web designer worth his salt allows it). Killfiles simply standardized ignore lists, and allowed users to maintain something of a signal to noise ratio (and allowed the ubertrolls the greatest recognition of their art: the thunderplonk. Some trolls were so toxic that any thread they posted to turned to noise, this option hid the whole thread. Note that throwaway alts weren't terribly common and it was relatively easy to ignore an entire server if necessary. I suspect that this unmodded structure couldn't hold up to today's relentless trolls.
Ashbringer
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Oh and BTW, you all suck and I'm right.
"It's almost like there's a record full of incomprehensible bullshit playing in your mind 24/7, and you put the needle down randomly and whatever it picks up, you just type it up in an email and shoot it off to me, usually mid-sentence." - Maddox
Try visiting the Best Page In The Universe and you'll want to either totally agree with him, or fire off an angry Email at him.
Oh I'm quite familiar with his page, and I agree with almost everything he's written.