Jeez, is there anything these guys can't do when it comes to mobile phones? First they got worldwide attention with the N9/Lumia hardware design and now they've actually managed to put in a 41 MPx Carl Zeiss lens into a Belle smartphone? I can think of quite a lot of other competitors who just got bitch-slapped in the camera department (Titan II, Xperis S to name a few...), but let's get on with the main question. What's the next big thing we can fit into a palm-fit device? Razr MAXX with enormous battery, Nokia 808 with ridiculous MPx count...
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Nokia Nostalgia... Again?
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yimingwuzere
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Technically, it's what can these guys do that they shouldn't, and not vice versa. For their management.
For what it's worth, Nokia has a lot of unique devices that beat the competition in some killer feature or other here and there. However sales of them were killed thanks to one thing: Stephen Elop clearly doesn't have some common sense in their CEO: pulling the Ratner and Osborne effect back-to-back did wonders to their 2011 profits as sales crater, and everyone started avoiding their N8 (awesome camera) and N9 (great user experience), and even the Lumias failed to sell that well considering the massive amounts of advertising done. I'd bet that the 808 wouldn't even sell that much thanks to Elop pre-announcing the death of their own Symbian platform.
For what it's worth, Nokia has a lot of unique devices that beat the competition in some killer feature or other here and there. However sales of them were killed thanks to one thing: Stephen Elop clearly doesn't have some common sense in their CEO: pulling the Ratner and Osborne effect back-to-back did wonders to their 2011 profits as sales crater, and everyone started avoiding their N8 (awesome camera) and N9 (great user experience), and even the Lumias failed to sell that well considering the massive amounts of advertising done. I'd bet that the 808 wouldn't even sell that much thanks to Elop pre-announcing the death of their own Symbian platform.
I think I'll argue against you on the Lumia not selling well. WP7's market share actually jumped around 450% since last year. Although it's not making a double-digit worldwide stance, the growth was quick enough to have a spurt of apps to reach WP7 (from ~40,000 to ~75,000) in a few months. And yes, the Nokia Lumias are topping the chart in WP7 sales.
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If the Lumias are not topping WP7 sales charts, considering they're the only WP7 phones with publicity and marketing, then something is terribly wrong with Nokia. Also, a 450% jump is only expected considering it launched at the end of last year.
1 million Lumia sales throughout all of Europe and parts of Asia + 710 sales in US from November to end January is not particularly impressive, considering the OG Droid by itself managed 1 million also within a similar time frame in the US alone when the smartphone market was way smaller than it is now.
Note that I'm not hating Nokia phones per se, I was stating that Nokia's management are screwing up the chances of anything decent that their hardware and software teams churn out.
1 million Lumia sales throughout all of Europe and parts of Asia + 710 sales in US from November to end January is not particularly impressive, considering the OG Droid by itself managed 1 million also within a similar time frame in the US alone when the smartphone market was way smaller than it is now.
Note that I'm not hating Nokia phones per se, I was stating that Nokia's management are screwing up the chances of anything decent that their hardware and software teams churn out.
I read more about the Lumia 900 now that there are details from MWC and apparently the camera on the 800 sucked and they put the same camera on the 900. The 900 now has a larger physical display but the pixel count is the same as on the 800 which naturally translates into a less sharp image. Bummer that the 800 is no longer available, may have gone with that one instead if given the choice. Let's not forget that there's no expansion card slot on the 900 so you are "stuck" with 16GB. Wouldn't be an issue for me personally still somewhat strange design choice considering competitors either come with more storage and/or have expansion slots.
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Well, one is Pentile, the other isn't, so at the very least, the subpixel count an no need of subpixel rendering would help alleviate the overal PPI loss a bit
Wait what? The Nokia 800 hasn't even been released in the US yet, how would that translate to "no longer available?"
In my opinion, if you want WM7.5 ... which I must add is an amazing mobile OS ... then the Nokia 800 or 900 are the best ways to go.
Just read somewhere that it will only be sold in some sort of bundled form for like $900 with a bunch of crap most people don't need. Can't find the site now but they implied that you will not be able to buy the phone separately. It also implied that there won't be a US carrier for the 800, only the 900 (if you want a subsidized phone).
Ah... yep, well certain WM sites have made reference to a $900 bundle, but thats not an exclusive issue, it's simply how much you're out if you want to buy overseas and off a contract. An open device for use with GSM.
The phone itself has not yet been announced for any US carrier, but the odds are good. Rogers in Canada, I believe it's Rogers anyhow, just announced they're going to be offering the phone soon, thats a good sign, getting it to the Americas anyways.
As it sits right now it's just Asian nations, and rather small groups at that.
You never know, I feel the 900 will be well received, if it sells well, I fully expect the 800 will be picked up, perhaps by Sprint with a CDMA version later this year.
I've have some inside info from the Sprint people. Sprint does not want another WP without multi-core functionality among other things list of requirements. Base on just that requirement alone means that Nokia 800 will NOT be coming to Sprint. WP8 or Apollo will be the time when Sprint look into an agreement with Nokia again.
The parts or the suggested requirements if I recall correctly is this:
Multi-core
Front Facing Camera
8MP or above back camera with 1080p recording
LTE
True true, I don't doubt thats most certainly what they want... however, I still feel towards the end of the year, they'll be looking to add another WP7 phone to their lineup and very much doubt anyone will have a dual core out as there's simply no need. The 800 would provide them a great sub $100 easy seller.
There was a time when Sprint was never thought to have the iPhone either.
We'll just have to see, as it is right now, your feelings are probably far closer to reality than mine, but things do change.
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No idea about the 900, but the 800 has the same camera sensor as the N9. My Nokia blogger buddy tells me his comparisons of both devices show the 800 has slightly inferior image quality despite the same sensors though, which probably can be fixed with an update.
@CHANG3D
Tech specs sell. Why else would Apple cram in a SGX543 into the Apple A5 and dual cores when the iSheep are going around saying "iOS doesn't need dual cores bla bla bla FUD Android bla bla bla"?
@Thuleman
IIRC some of the older WP7 phones including the HD7 use a preformatted micro SD in the phone instead of flash storage so with a bit of effort it's possible to increase storage. The Lumia 800 can't do the same though since the outer shell is an exact carbon copy of the N9, and there's no slot for micro SD cards...