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SilverStone SG07 - New Mini-itx case

Trevor said:
I'm running a 140mm fan on an AXP-140 with a drive in the 3.5" bay. I'm using a 90* SATA cable. It's a tight fit but it works A-OK once you get it it all wedged in there.
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Great news! Are you also using AP181 that came with the case? Do you have height clearance issue? TY140 seems to be 27mm-ish thick, hope this won't be too high on top of AXP-140 :rolleyes:

EDIT: great great great. 117mm clearance, AXP140+TY140 100mm top! Can't wait for the HSF to come!
 
cshard said:
Great news! Are you also using AP181 that came with the case? Do you have height clearance issue? TY140 seems to be 27mm-ish thick, hope this won't be too high on top of AXP-140 :rolleyes:

EDIT: great great great. 117mm clearance, AXP140+TY140 100mm top! Can't wait for the HSF to come!
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TY-140 or any other 140mm fan wont fit properly on the AXP-140 as part of the HDD bay sticks out over the cooler. You can bend the retaining clips to get it partly on or get a 120mm fan which sits on nicely.

See here it almost fits: http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2010/09/02/311_silverstone_sugo_sg07_mobowithcoolerside_big.jpg
Not sure what the purpose of that bracket is but it is probably not to difficult to remove :D

Edit: Ah no that supports the HDD bay. See here http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2010/09/02/361_silverstone_sugo_sg07_assembly_big.jpg
 
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gropingmantis said:
TY-140 or any other 140mm fan wont fit properly on the AXP-140 as part of the HDD bay sticks out over the cooler. You can bend the retaining clips to get it partly on or get a 120mm fan which sits on nicely.

See here it almost fits: http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2010/09/02/311_silverstone_sugo_sg07_mobowithcoolerside_big.jpg
Not sure what the purpose of that bracket is but it is probably not to difficult to remove :D

Edit: Ah no that supports the HDD bay. See here http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2010/09/02/361_silverstone_sugo_sg07_assembly_big.jpg
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Nice picture! Super clear! I just got up so my brain's kinda not working as it should.. When you say that supports the HDD bay, did you men the fan will work? From the picture it looks like so, altho real close.

You guys can always fund nice pictures! Guess I should use more google image search ;)
 
cshard said:
Nice picture! Super clear! I just got up so my brain's kinda not working as it should.. When you say that supports the HDD bay, did you men the fan will work? From the picture it looks like so, altho real close.

You guys can always fund nice pictures! Guess I should use more google image search ;)
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If you look closely you can see the fan does not quite sit central on the cooler. I think you will have to bend one of the clips to get it to fit properly but it will fit. It does not sit well with my OCD tendencies so thats why I opted for a 120mm.
 
Hello

Newbie here! I picked up an sg07 and a corsair h60 and I have a question.

How do I mount the h60 to the AP? There are brief explanations here and there, but Im retarded Nd really need something a little more detailed.
 
Necrophantasia said:
Hello

Newbie here! I picked up an sg07 and a corsair h60 and I have a question.

How do I mount the h60 to the AP? There are brief explanations here and there, but Im retarded Nd really need something a little more detailed.
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You hang it to the grille of that AP181 fan above. Using the H60 supplied screws
 
Um do you have any pictures?

Do you know how people are managing to mount it in a push/pull configuration when the four mounting holes are already taken mounting it to the grill?

Sorry, I'm not very good with these things.
 
find a long screw with larger disk/plate head or whatever you call it. I tried to find pic, but dunno what it's called in english..
 
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something like that. I found some good looking ones at my local computer store
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. Should be easy to find.

Does your H60 make ugly pump noise?
 
Thank you. I shall keep a
Lookout for something like that. I guess I need to use a slim fan?

And my h60 is pretty quiet. You can barely hear it when it's running even with the case cover hot. (granted it was only idling in bios before either my psu or motherboard died and caused my newly built to stop working entirely. )
 
Good to hear you got a properly working H60 ;)

Anyone has an extra VGA fan duct laying around? I'd like to get one from you. I figured I could also contact Silverstone, but just in case anyone has any extra, I'll take it!
 
Ok so for the H60 I use the supplied screws to hang the radiator from the 180mm AP.

Is it actually necessary to have a pull fan? Or will the air flow from the 180mm suffice? If it's necessary, do I need to employ a slim fan as a pull fan, or can I use the included fan as my pull?
 
Dang it, just installed AXP 140. It's a loose fit? With every single screw tightened to its best, the heatsink can still pivot and there's like 1 degree of play. Has anyone experienced this? Is it oK? My AXP140 came with this venomous mounting kit that can be found on thermalright's website. Anyway, I just can no longer use my GSkill Ripjaw with heatsink on it. Am considering disassembling the memory :(((((

Will report back how AXP works, even tho it's already a consensus that it's a good cooler...
 
Were the HS and IHS bases flat? Always good to check both before mounting a HS. Normally the heatsink mounting should be pretty damn firm. Being able to rotate is ok, as long as it requires some force to get it to do so, but being able to pivot may be a sign of loose mounting and/or convex HS base.
 
Yep, they are all flat. I took it off and installed again, there's still some play. I took a picture of the mounting mechanism. There's essentially this one hole in the center, with that knob there you can adjust pressure applied to the heat sink. To each side, there's two securing screws, which are all the way tightened. Looks like the HS is firmly pressed onto the CPU, but the bracket does not fit HS like a glove, so it's got space to rotate. If rotating is ok then i'll leave it like that. I've read from a thread on itxgamer forum that the guy recommended this Venomous bracket over LGA-1366 BOLT-THRU kit from Thermaltake, for its easier application, but he didn't mention about the play?!

Also, from google, i was able to find this review, it looks like the reviewer had the same problem with it. He definitely described it better than i did. In conclusion he complained this issue again... Hope to see if anyone also had this issue and didn't complain about it. (I failed to find any other user feedback about this loose fit issue) If so, it's probably really not a big deal.

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It seems all he mentioned was some play after the HS was mounted, which is perfectly fine as long as there's enough force applied (which can be adjusted via the center screw, but be careful not to apply too much force). It's fairly easy to gauge how much force is applied on the HS simply by how easy the HS is to rotate/slide etc. If it slides around by itself (i.e, it would move on it's own simply by putting your case on it's side or something) then that's too easy. If you need to use your hand and yank it around a bit, then that's ok. Another factor that can contribute to the loose feeling is too much thermal paste, as it can act as a lubricant.
 
Just to report back. Got everything up n running, and here's my conclusion: this task of putting AXP140 into an mITX system is not for nooooobs! I got tons of scratches and cuts all over my hands thanks to the cramped mobo peripherals and HS fins. Wire remanagement is a painful pain, too. Never understood why silverstone would want these LONG LONG and HARD HARD cables all over in such a small case. Absolutely nowhere to run them whatsoever. The funniest part would be that it took me an hour to fully tighten two screws on the mounting bracket, because it was so cramped with a pair of heatsink'd memories and a big chunk of chipset heatsink under either side of the HSF... I could only turn the screws by literally 20 degree at a time using a super slim long wrench...

Looks like AXP140 with TY140 fan fits upright no problem in my case, unlike what was shown previously, due to different mobo I guess. Temps are looking good as well as I'm typing:

CPU 32-34c, GPU 34c, Mobo 40c :eek:

Hmmmm, could anyone pls tell me how mobo temps are measured? Does this mean a high MOSFET temp? If so, I could order some heatsinks for MOSFET or something.

Another quick question, does anyone use any kind of Lanparty strap for this case? Any recommendations? I'm leaving the country in a week, and seem to be in an urgent need for this thing.

Thanks for your help guys! Now the computer runs a LOT more silent and a bit cooler than it used to, with the faulty H60 (that was a bad choice except for the space saving purpose)
 
@cshard.... those temps all look fine to me, mobo temp will be the chipsettemp of the mobo i guess.
 
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll let it be that way then. Anyone using any lanparty bag or strap for this case tho? :)

btw, TY140 nice fan! The case is on my desk, less than 3 feet from me, and i can't hear anything if i stop the vga fan. Now the vga fan's bloody loud ;(
 
thiesggb said:
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As you can see it's a 3-slot cooler (Arctic Cooling Acelero Xtreme Plus II) that is a little big for this case :) so for now i run it open air, when i have the time i will come up with some acryl/plexi panels to fit the case.

Thinking of a sidepanel with cutout for the vga where the vgacooler pops out,

To be continued. :)
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Hey thiesggb, how is the side panel going? Still running open air?

I'm considering a Accelero Twin Turbo ii, it's a two-slot design, don't know if it's gonna fit our case
 
as I'm traveling abroad in the near future, obviously I'm not gonna be able to take my sweet 27'' with me, and as I'm putting my ipad here to stream a movie today, I just thought it'd be a sweet idea if this case has a portable (maybe detachable) display that can be mounted on the front panel like this. Don't know if someone has done this...(probably not ;p) I'm also considering to find a way to use my macbook air as an external display while traveling. Seems to be impossible mission as well :( :( :(

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@cshard.... no update on the acrylpanels, didnt had the time for it lately, new GPU'S coming already in Januari Februari from AMD.
So likely there will be a nice 2-slot 7000 serie that i will put in there and close it with the original cover.
The Acrylpanels... was planning to have them made by lasercutting, but i need to design them in a vector-based program, so the cutterguy can work with it, and i just don't have the time and skill (with vector-crap) to do so.
 
So I tried to flip the 180mm AP fan so it would work as exhaust, thinking that the positive pressure thingie is bullcrap.

Well, it was total failure, temps raised quite a bit.

Any way to exhaust the hot air from this case?
 
how do u control the 180 AP fan? my siwtch on my sg08 turn it off or low, there's no high..where do i set it to high?
 
ithanium2 said:
So I tried to flip the 180mm AP fan so it would work as exhaust, thinking that the positive pressure thingie is bullcrap.

Well, it was total failure, temps raised quite a bit.

Any way to exhaust the hot air from this case?
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May I ask why you thought positive pressure was crap? I thought it made sense, esp the dust part. I used to try to do the same thing to you, but eventually gave up. IMO in a case at this size, gotta use what we got :( I also used to have doubt in the 180mm fan and airflow design of this case too, but found I'd better stick with it. The only good i saw by stopping using AP180 was lower vga card temp, but that's only because my card is an open design, which contradict to the airflow of this case..

broddy said:
how do u control the 180 AP fan? my siwtch on my sg08 turn it off or low, there's no high..where do i set it to high?
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Not so sure about what is going on with SG08, but first thing first check the soldering of the switch. Silverstone has the worst soldering in their cases, at least in my experience. I had to re-solder most of the wires/plugs that came with the case.

Don't hesitate to strip the heat-shrink wrap around the soldering.
 
Not so sure about what is going on with SG08, but first thing first check the soldering of the switch. Silverstone has the worst soldering in their cases, at least in my experience. I had to re-solder most of the wires/plugs that came with the case.

Don't hesitate to strip the heat-shrink wrap around the soldering.[/QUOTE]

is there a way to control it with software thou?
 
if your mobo support fan control by voltage, i guess? Mine doesn't support it, so AP180 runs at two constant RPMs (low/high), it's non-PWM
 
On my Asrock H67M-ITX/HT i can control it. Either from bios or windows.
From bios it's the chasis fan and i can choose "levels" from 1 to 10, and it changes the rpm.
Or set it to full speed and use an app like SpeedFan.

Personally, I use the bios version due the fact that i got alot of programs on startup, and I hate startup programs: MSI Afterburner...well for GPU fan profile and Throttlestop, thank you Asrock for crappy VRM and idiotic protection temperature protection sensors...god forbid you introduce CPU undervolting.

And it's better from bios because I have set them if CPU temperature goes past 65 degrees Celsius they go full speed automatically.

But it might be a soldering problem...when I flipped the fan, i accidentaly ripped the wires from that switch and the fan was not working at all. So in your case, probably 1 wire is not soldered.

The days of my SG07 are numbered anyways :) Recieving DaBox today or tomorrow. I will post some pics of them side by side. Quite curious aswell tbh.
 
Hi guys,

I've just ordered a SG07, a H60 and 2x Scythe Slip Stream 120mm 1900rpm

This is to go with-

i5 2500k
Zotac Z68 wifi
Zotac 560ti 448
8 gb ram

I'm wanting to have a push/pull set up but not sure which config to go with.

Attach rad to AP180 and have the Corsair 120 or Scyth 120 pulling down on mobo.

Or replace AP180 with a 120 and have push/pull with 2x 120's. If that then use 2 Scyth's or utilise the Corsair fan with a Scyth?

Im thinking if I use the AP180 it will also still blow some air onto the motherboard, being larger than the 120mm rad?

Thoughts appreciated
 
If you use the AP180 with the radiator you have to accept that there could be a reasonably large "dead spot" right underneath the AP180's motor. So that might not be the most efficient.

If you dump the AP180 and just use the 120s, then yeah, your MB chipset might not get sufficient cooling if it's not located underneath the fans.

You might want to ask yourself if you really want push/pull at all. A single fan with a radiator keeps the CPU surprisingly cool.

Myself, I ditched the AP180 fan and replaced it with the Corsair 120mm fan. The downside is that my MB chip is off in a corner and tended to run rather warm (55-60 idle) but well within spec. I got doofy and placed a part of a paper towel roll under the radiator to direct air right onto the MB chip. That's brought it down a good 10-15 degrees. (But I would never admit to doing that in public.)

Another downside to dumping the AP180 fan is that you lose the barrier created between the video card and main motherboard area. I slipped some plastic in there to compensate.
 
Thanks for your thoughts jwcalla, most appreciated.

I think i'll test out a few set ups, see what works best.

I read on one forum that the standard screws with the H60 will fit the rad to the AP180. Can anyone confirm this or will I have to rig something up with zip ties?

Also-

Just to clear up, although i'm sure it will say with the instructions,: Do you attach the pump to a fan sys or cpu sys? Presumably the fan then attaches to what ever is left.
If you use a push/pull with the AP180 that has its down switch does'nt it? Its not connected to the motherboard.
Therefore if I used 2x 120mm fans, what do I connect the second optional fan too? I'd have run out of connectors on my Zotac Z68 :confused:
 
I think to attach the radiator to the AP180 people have been slipping the heads of the screws into the slots on the AP180 to kind of hang the radiator. Make sure there's enough clearance for the fan blades. There aren't any actual screw holes on the AP180 that match up with the radiator. So it is a bit of a rigging to get it working.

- You can plug the pump into any of the fan headers on the motherboard, as long as the pump gets full power at all times. So you have to be careful about some of the BIOS implementations or even software that try to manipulate "fan" speeds based on temperature. On my motherboard (Gigabyte H55N), there are two fan connectors... a case fan and a CPU fan. I plug the pump into the case fan header since the BIOS never alters that speed. And the radiator fan I plug into the CPU header and let the BIOS control the fan speed based on CPU temp.

- The AP180 needs to plug into a fan header on the motherboard. Then there's a switch on the back that controls fan speed between high and low.

- If you run out of motherboard fan headers, you can get a Y-splitter cable (female on one end, male on each of the other ends), then plug both fans into that cable and then into the CPU fan header on the motherboard. This way if the fan speed gets moved around by the BIOS, both fans should respond identically. (I think that works.)
 
Well case arrived.

Attached rad to AP180.

Prime95 2 hours on torture it tops out at 56'c :)

Had a play with AP180 push Scythe 120 Pull, Prime95 Blend for about 10 mins and it struggled to reach 40'c!! But very very noisey.

Maybe pics later
 
Well great gamer u got there :D How is the 7970 fan, does it spinn @ idle? is it loud at load?
 
leifeinar said:
Well great gamer u got there :D How is the 7970 fan, does it spinn @ idle? is it loud at load?
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I think it is ok, when idling its a little humming sound on the background and while gaming (load) it is like every other stock rear-exhaust cooler not that quiet, but i must say the card runs pretty cool so the fan doesnt have to spin that hard to cool it on auto-settings of the fan.
Its the quietest rear-exhaust card i have had sofar, and i had alot ;)
Also........I have a headset for gaming so noise isnt really a problem for me :)
 
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