Did AMD "kill" their enthusiast crowd...???

flippin_waffles said:
Viral marketing .

And no doubt many are associated with this debacle over here.
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/mb/AMD
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Wow, thanks for the link to that cancerous shithole, I'm really enjoying some of the posts over there.

This may be a favorite, though - http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/S...tid=1917348&mid=-1&tof=15&rt=2&frt=2&off=1#-1

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IF AMD plays hard ball, then "Int-El" could be dismantled 11-Nov-11 11:43 am
(1) AMD cuts the fat to the bones
(2) GF/TSMC give AMD enough 32/28 nm chips
(3) AMD jabs "Int-El" left & right
(4) AMD goes for the belly of "Int-El"
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Fast forward to 2014, AMD doesn't license it X86-64 to "Int-El". "Int-El" is an IP stealer.

"Int-El" Itanium has already beaten the dust.

Time to dismantle "Int-El". Wintel era is over!! Don't forget Linux & AMD.

AMD wins the battle!!!
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I get the feeling AMD is going to be bought up by another company, and will then become a child-company, not that it will disappear though.

AMD has been in need of dire management changes and improvements.

Hopefully they will continue with their Fusion line of products, those appear to be the only real strong point of AMD at the moment.
 
As long as they are cheap i'm on board. The cpu isn't used as much as the video card these days in games. I could save some money and get a cheaper cpu with a fast video card. The i7 is at a good price right now but i would rather support a company thats struggling than a company thats filthy rich. Give the under dog some kind of support. AMD pride lol
 
Conker said:
As long as they are cheap i'm on board. The cpu isn't used as much as the video card these days in games. I could save some money and get a cheaper cpu with a fast video card. The i7 is at a good price right now but i would rather support a company thats struggling than a company thats filthy rich. Give the under dog some kind of support. AMD pride lol
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Not much to be proud in the FX line, (lots to be ashamed of, however) but we can live and hope that a miracle happens and the underfunded understaffed AMD pulls a killer bunny out of their hat!
 
Yes, this modern FX line isn't even a shadow of the old FX-51 through FX-57 line.
Those processors kicked ass at the time.

BD shouldn't have the FX name, it just does not perform well enough to warrant such a title.
Even for marketing purposes, it just made the FX name go from high-end quality to overpriced junk.
 
Bizarre topic progression. "AMD is going to fail because BD sucks."

Well, for one, BD seems pretty apt at multitasking apts (in most cases), so it'll likely have some moderate success in the server department; which, I assure you, is all AMD cares about. Enthusiasts supporting their CPU side, which hasn't challenged Intel in some time, isn't going to break them now.

They'd take improved server sales any day of the week. Furthermore, their GPU side has ensured them record profits this 3rd quarter through the success of their APU'. From what I understand, this is the first time they've recorded 3rd quarter profit in some time. And yes, BD was a disappointment for the desktop.

Meh. I just don't see where these topics are going.
 
AMD invested quite a bit into BD just to see it fail horribly.
The point is, is even though their Fusion APU line and GPU line are doing well, it is not enough to keep them afloat amidst the rising costs of BD's losses.

That's my opinion, judging from everything I have seen thus far, not necessarily fact.
 
Red Falcon said:
AMD invested quite a bit into BD just to see it fail horribly.
The point is, is even though their Fusion APU line and GPU line are doing well, it is not enough to keep them afloat amidst the rising costs of BD's losses.
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How much has AMD lost on BD and how much did they invest?
 
I dont see AMD being bought up by anybody. I agree Bulldozer was a disappointment but I wouldnt call it a failure.

They wont sell as many with the enthusiast crowd but they will still likely sell a lot of them with OEM's. Im sure it wont be enough to see much of a return on their investment, if at all, but it will be enough to keep them having some money coming in. And like we've said, theyre still making plenty of cash with their GPU's, server procs and Llano. If they lost the enthusiast market completely, they would still have enough income to keep them afloat. Like that JF guy constantly reminded us, we're barely 5% of their market and theyre doing pretty good at addressing the other 95%.
 
MacLeod said:
I dont see AMD being bought up by anybody. I agree Bulldozer was a disappointment but I wouldnt call it a failure.

They wont sell as many with the enthusiast crowd but they will still likely sell a lot of them with OEM's. Im sure it wont be enough to see much of a return on their investment, if at all, but it will be enough to keep them having some money coming in. And like we've said, theyre still making plenty of cash with their GPU's, server procs and Llano. If they lost the enthusiast market completely, they would still have enough income to keep them afloat. Like that JF guy constantly reminded us, we're barely 5% of their market and theyre doing pretty good at addressing the other 95%.
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Well I certainly hope so, I've always been a fan of AMD and have really enjoyed their product features.

Hopefully it will lead to some new technology though. :)
 
stevedave said:
AMD didn't kill their enthusiast crowd. Intel won the enthusiast market with enthusiast products. The day AMD out performs Intel without major cost or draw backs the enthusiast will flock to AMD.
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True the real enthusiast is only loyal for his own wallet (and wallets of friends who he advises what parts to choose for their rigs).

Just because Bulldozer is ugly turd at current price doesn't mean they won't buy AMD product if they release something that offers them better bang for buck.
 
Michaelius said:
True the real enthusiast is only loyal for his own wallet (and wallets of friends who he advises what parts to choose for their rigs).

Just because Bulldozer is ugly turd at current price doesn't mean they won't buy AMD product if they release something that offers them better bang for buck.
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IMHO AMD would have to drop FX8150 well under $200. When you figure that they're trying to amortize 7 years of R&D on this "ugly turd" that might bring it down below their margin.
 
Weeth said:
IMHO AMD would have to drop FX8150 well under $200. When you figure that they're trying to amortize 7 years of R&D on this "ugly turd" that might bring it down below their margin.
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Yeah 150-180$ to make the 8 core version attractive
 
Michaelius said:
Yeah 150-180$ to make the 8 core version attractive
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If they had MSRP'd FX8150 at $179 the whole damn online world would be singing the praises of AMD (with minor demerit points for powersucking and singlethread). At their current pricing they are taking on 2600K and they are getting squashed.

Idiotic pricing on an idiotic CPU. A waste of silicon.

BTW, WTF is going on with the Interlagos benchys? Why is there total silence on a BD that was released well before FX? Does it suck that bad?
 
Abit667 said:
The only thing that was really depressing to me was the reaction of the "enthusiast" crowd to the bulldozer launch.

Seems like you see this more and more in this kind of community with other hardware and game launches. The insane amount of hyperbole and immaturity really turned me off of wanting to have anything to do with the "enthusiast" community anymore.

What happened to people evaluating a product by their own standards and then buying what they wanted? Why does everything have to be either the best product ever conceived or the absolute worst most steaming pile of shit and the ceos should die and the company closed, etc?

I'd feel pretty bad if I was a Bulldozer engineer and had just spent the last 5+ years of life working on the project and then had to read the insane shit a lot of people are spewing out about it. Hardware is still exciting and fun, I'm not sure why everyone needs to bandwagon every little thing and beat it to the point of life and death.
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QFT
 
Weeth said:
The most disappointing product released by the most boneheaded marketing effort in recent CPU history (as bad as Barcelona... or maybe even worse). Everybody who lost their jobs deserves to be slinging burgers for a living. They would have been better off formally announcing WE SUCK and walking away from the high end CPU business than releasing this silicon turd.
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I had many friends that lost their jobs at AMD during this latest layoff and they were good people, hard working, and most of them had families.
 
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xorbe said:
Nice selective quoting -- "priced between $125 and $1,019 per chip."
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Hey, Interlagos is by definition a 16 core design. So where the hell is it available for $125.

TechPirate said:
You sir are a massive asshat of epic proportions. I had many friends that lost their jobs at AMD during this latest layoff and they were good people, hard working, and most of them had families.

Die in a fire.
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I have promised Kyle that I will not respond to inflammatory posts, therefore, have a good day, sir.
 
Well the rumor is that AMD is going to focus on Bobcat.

Also that they may abandon the high end graphics as well.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5055/...act-of-amds-layoffs-on-the-future-of-amd-gpus

It takes a lot of R&D money to compete at the high end of the graphics and processor market. I don't think their revenue can cover it anymore. I think they are going to shrink down to something like VIA (who also make x86 cpus, chipsets and graphics just like AMD). With the mobile market seriously eating into the PC market their is just not enough money to go around. NVIDIA and Intel have a pretty big lead over AMD, I just think it's the way the market is going.
 
PRIME1 said:
Well the rumor is that AMD is going to focus on Bobcat.

Also that they may abandon the high end graphics as well.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5055/...act-of-amds-layoffs-on-the-future-of-amd-gpus

It takes a lot of R&D money to compete at the high end of the graphics and processor market. I don't think their revenue can cover it anymore. I think they are going to shrink down to something like VIA (who also make x86 cpus, chipsets and graphics just like AMD). With the mobile market seriously eating into the PC market their is just not enough money to go around. NVIDIA and Intel have a pretty big lead over AMD, I just think it's the way the market is going.
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Let's face it, with the advent of integrated GPUs the market for discrete video cards is going to be decimated. It will be the exclusive territory of gamers and animators in a year or two. My concern is that there isn't enough profit margin in Bobcat et al. to keep a company like AMD alive.
 
Weeth said:
Let's face it, with the advent of integrated GPUs the market for discrete video cards is going to be decimated. It will be the exclusive territory of gamers and animators in a year or two. My concern is that there isn't enough profit margin in Bobcat et al. to keep a company like AMD alive.
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Integrated GPU's have been around forever. While they have improved I don't think they have improved at a pace any faster than discrete chips. If anything Fusion takes a step back as you are limited thermally when you have a cpu and gpu on the same chip.
 
Making CPUs for immature crybabies? I wouldnt bother myself.

AMD isnt losing anything. Whole episode was far more embarrassing for myself and the other half dozen enthusiasts that didnt wet their pants over the whole affair.
 
Weeth said:
WTF is going on with Interlagos, especially in light of this very puzzling quote from Bloomberg:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...-server-market-with-new-chips-price-cuts.html

A $125 16-core Interlagos? Where? In which universe?
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That may be, for some odd reason, because some people think that ALL new Opteron chips make use of the Interlagos package...

Opteron 4226 (6 cores, 2.7-3.1GHz, 95w) is $125

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5096/amd-releases-opteron-4200-valencia-and-6200-interlagos-series
 
JMccovery said:
That may be, for some odd reason, because some people think that ALL new Opteron chips make use of the Interlagos package...

Opteron 4226 (6 cores, 2.7-3.1GHz, 95w) is $125

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5096/amd-releases-opteron-4200-valencia-and-6200-interlagos-series
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I was pointing out that an august publication such as Business Week was getting it wrong. "selling chips based on the new Interlagos design, priced between $125 and $1,019 per chip." I'll buy all the 16 core Interlagos at $125 I can find! :D
 
PRIME1 said:
Integrated GPU's have been around forever. While they have improved I don't think they have improved at a pace any faster than discrete chips. If anything Fusion takes a step back as you are limited thermally when you have a cpu and gpu on the same chip.
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I thought you were limited thermally whether or not you have an integrated GPU. CPUs without APUs still need heatsinks so there must still be a thermal limit of some kind at play regardless.
 
ZodaEX said:
I thought you were limited thermally whether or not you have an integrated GPU. CPUs without APUs still need heatsinks so there must still be a thermal limit of some kind at play regardless.
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Exactly, there really isn't that much of a difference thermally, unless one is doing heavy overclocking on the CPU section.

Also, nice necrores. ;)
 
xBanzai89 said:
I think most "enthusiasts" have made the switch back to Intel, since C2D anyway. I am sure there were many on the sidelines wanting a BD rig, but that was ruined on the release day.
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true when i saw the 8150 benchmarks i save 76 bucks and i bough my first intel lol 2500k
 
take one look at the 7970 and you should be able to answer the question yourself.

maybe in the CPU department, but certainly not the company as a whole.
 
Wumpus13 said:
take one look at the 7970 and you should be able to answer the question yourself.

maybe in the CPU department, but certainly not the company as a whole.
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This thread was made well before the HD7000 series was released.

Also, yes their GPUs are doing great, it's the CPU market that is struggling within the gaming market.

Their server and HPC markets with CPU sales are doing great.


At this point, AMD CPUs are not for gaming enthusiasts, but rather niche markets.

I personally use an FX-4100 for VMs and encoding, mainly due to the lower cost and the fact that a similarly priced i3 2100 can't run as many VMs due to only having two cores.

If I were gaming though, the i3 would have been the first choice, hands down.
 
I know im new to these forums,dont really care about the BD and all that but i hear all the talk that AMD is not for gaming.Why would people say that,what games will AMD cpu not run.Ive got a load of steam games and bf3 that are maxed out and run fine,i just dont see the logic in those type of statement's.......
 
stinger5150 said:
I know im new to these forums,dont really care about the BD and all that but i hear all the talk that AMD is not for gaming.Why would people say that,what games will AMD cpu not run.Ive got a load of steam games and bf3 that are maxed out and run fine,i just dont see the logic in those type of statement's.......
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A cheaper Intel will net you the same if not better results than an AMD cpu.
 
AMD is not for gaming.Why would people say that
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Because the $110 i3 2100 is faster than the BD 8150 in most games available today with very few exceptions.
 
stinger5150 said:
I know im new to these forums,dont really care about the BD and all that but i hear all the talk that AMD is not for gaming.Why would people say that,what games will AMD cpu not run.Ive got a load of steam games and bf3 that are maxed out and run fine,i just dont see the logic in those type of statement's.......
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This:
Because the $110 i3 2100 is faster than the BD 8150 in most games available today with very few exceptions.
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It's not that BD can't play games, but any processor from the Core i series will destroy it in gaming.

Where BD shines is VMs, encoding, transcoding, and scalability.
Using it for anything else is a waste of money and power efficiency.
 
drescherjm said:
Because the $110 i3 2100 is faster than the BD 8150 in most games available today with very few exceptions.
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Apparently the I3 is also a lot faster then an overclocked i7 2600k. Ive seen plenty of benchmarks where the 8150 beats the 2600k but if your someone that likes to game 1024x768 with the settings on low , then yeah , i guess intel is for you.
 
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