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Going WC, need your you help

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Ok, so i have decided in my mind to go WC.

Here is what I have decided, and what I need help with.

Im gonna try and get a triple 180 magicool rad. Apparently Frozen CPU is the only place to get them, so thats where ill go. Its for my raven 2. Ill re-use the AP fans in the bottom of my case.

I dont care what it looks like, I dont want LED shit, I want a good performing, waterblock, low restriction. Im gonna be blank paneling my side, with a non window door, which is $20 plus shipping from silverstone.

Id like to see some form of confirmation on EKs claim that a 6870 reference block will fit my GPU. They say yes, anyone seen a thread anywhere that it does. I have seen several threads that say it will work, but never a confirmed thread, by anyone who actually did it. I looked at the cards again today, im almost at the point, id drill a hole in my card for the last bolt. Yeah, im that unstable in the melon :p

I have been told that a single 3x180 will work better then two loops with a dual 180, and single 180 (single for CPU, 2500k), and double for cf 6950s (dual 180).

Im pretty sold on the 655 pump, but may go custom top to improve flow, and have g1/4 ports, not predone barbs. Is this the route to go?

Im not looking to spend a fortune, but to sink 500-600 isnt an issue. whatever it takes. Im not looking to break OC records here, im looking to run my CPU at 4.5-4.8 (higher if its a good chip of course, but a reasonable stable OC without too much vcore for little gain), and run my 6950 at 6970 lightning speeds, and add a second as needed, while not listen to the noise my last case put out (X850XT PE, 6 fans, SP-94 heatsink with loud 92mm enermax fan).

I dont want to hear this thing idle from another room like the last case.

So what do I realistically need to spend here. Is the 655-B a good quiet pump (i know its a good pump, but is there another option, that will suit my needs, and be a better fit for accousitcs?). What CPU block should I look at, is the sapphire still a good choice, or is there another cheap block to get it done.

Really im looking to get in a cheap as I can (who isnt), but wont give up performance hits. Mostly a bang for buck, quiet. I dont need the lowest temps, but still want to keep the temps low enough I dont need to run fans flat out in push/pull. So if that means more pump, or more rad, then so be it.
 
Update,

Looks like the magicool triple 180 is 2-4 weeks out.

Here is my proposed build:
Magicool triple 180 slim rad, with silverstone ap fans (Evo case stock)
Dual EK 6870 full cover blocks
Swiftech 655-b pump
Xspc ray storm
Cheap res

Any issues seen?
 
Yeah my loop with be zero show. Just quiet performance.

Also anyone care to recommend a cheap bay res? Nothing external on front. Just cheap and easy as it won't be seen. Considered making my own. But a bay mount might just be easier.
 
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the 655-B is the one without speed control right? no its not quiet. I prefer the MCP35x for its PWM ability(I run mine suspended in midair and @10% its silent). The 655 also has a physical speed dial and can be turned down to acceptable noise volume.

may I ask why you're going with a 3x180 radiator?
 
I though b had speed control. Which ever does but if it's noisy maybe a diff pump is a better option, as long as it can flow so fans don't need to be cranked.

I'm going triple 180mm because I have a raven 2 Evo, with the 3 ap fans in the bottom already, and they are the best in the 180 form. So pull the filter out, slide rad in, and flip the fans.


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Your right b has. I speed control. I'd want speed control, automatic if possible. I'm a newb to wc.

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I guess I could do res top on 35x. Is that enough pump for my needs? And if using mobo signal how would that work if gpu gets hot and CPU stay a little cooler. Could it be ran off hotter gpu fan?
 
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So with this build,
EK 6870 block x2
Ray storm
35x pump
Pump res
Silver
Triple 180mm

Around 600 no fittings or tube. Not hard to spend cash lol
 
can you remove the hard drive cage in the lower left? looks like it might hit the rad/fan, also and can you route a tube from the upper 5.25" to the lower hard drive cage area?

I would do something like this

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Just make sure you've done all your measurements for the rad and case. The radiator is going to be wider than the fans, and longer...so make darn sure you have the room first. I have a radiator sitting here on my table that I can't use because I didn't do enough measuring prior to purchase. Who'd have thought that the holes for the fan mounting on the case were 15mm apart, but 20mm apart on the rad.

You may already have done this homework, but just because the case has 3x180mm fans doesn't mean it can support a 180.3 radiator. You'll be playing a game of millimeters.
 
I have seen a few pictures of the rad in the case though I will be measuring. And I may have to used the dremel or better yet the sawzall.
 
86 5.0L my concern with that setup (might be wrong on my behalf) is that the pump is moving the hot water all the time. Would it be better to go rad-> res-> pump->CPU ->gpu -> gpu-> rad? Or is the pumping of the hot water not a major issue for pump. I just know in my line of work the hotter a pump is the quicker it fails. I know if we use a pump for jacket water to pump heat on a drain line we rebuild them constantly. Now different pumps last different times. I'd assume the pump can take it but then I see heat sinks for the pumps and I'm unsure If that's a gimic or if pump heat under high stress is an issue. Since I don't see this being a high stress loop (all blocks seem to flow well from what I read) but wonder if the hot water will cause issues.

This would add more tube to the loop possibly unless I flip the tad and have inlet in hot swap bays. When I get my hdd I'll throw them in the 5-1/2 bays.
 
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The water temperature inside a loop will remain approximately the same throughout the loop, with perhaps a 1-2 C difference between the inlet and outlet of the radiator. That is why loop order does not matter.

The MCP355 and 35X run hot, so it's a good idea to have a heatsink for them. The 655, just make sure you have good airflow around it.
 
I am a big fan of Petra's Tech Shop, and I have been using the Swiftech MP355s for awhile now. They have worked flawlessly for me. There is a slightly newer edition, here is a link: http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmc12vdcpu.html

This is the radiator that I like: http://www.petrastechshop.com/xsrxtr12ra.html

The most important thing I have found with WC is how you build your loop. I keep resevoir on top, pump on bottom and I have the pump go to the radiator, then the waterblock, then back to the resevoir, to the pump again. The highest resistance is usually in your radiator so I try to keep the pump close to the radiator for the most push.

Another thing I did in my setups is I had a separate loop for the CPU and for the GPUs. Each loop I like to use 2 pumps in serial for redundancy. I have switched my setup to also use the koolance quick disconnect fittings to make it easier to adjust the loops when adding or removing devices.

Another thing I found in my WC setups is I like to have my radiators in the front of the case, to pull cold air outside and have it blow over the internal components of the case to provide some airflow and cooling. I also use only 1 large exhaust fan to keep positive pressure in the case so dust doesnt collect as much. I have found this technique to be a solid cooling system with the minimum amount of noise.
 
That radiator is beastly.


Looks like a good choice for your case. I went with 2 radiators for my Raven case. A 360 on bottom and 120mm radiator on top. They are Black Ice® GT Stealth models.

Using 120mm Ultra Kaze Series 3000RPM fans with speed controller. These fans can move tons of air.


This is what the set up looks like in my Raven.

LoopRavenBigPictureLoopsmall.jpg



I'm in the middle of upgrades and will soon have the same MB and CPU with GTX470 in this system. Once it is up and running we can compare temps for the CPU.

I don't remember seeing the 3x180 radiator last year when I ordered my loop hardware. Looks like a great choice for this case.
 
Yeah just gotta chop out a few hot swap bays or move drives to top bays

There is also a double 180 if someone didn't want to mod the case
 
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The water temperature inside a loop will remain approximately the same throughout the loop, with perhaps a 1-2 C difference between the inlet and outlet of the radiator. That is why loop order does not matter.

The MCP355 and 35X run hot, so it's a good idea to have a heatsink for them. The 655, just make sure you have good airflow around it.
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Plus one on the loop order not mattering

My 35x runs very cool, they like to run hot when they are pumping too fast, such as a low restriction loop, that's why the PWM feature is nice. Mine runs at 10% and is silent and cool.
 
Yeah I'd like to go triple for cf and future upgrades. Since I don't see me moving from this case for a while. And in the end I'll have 2x 1tb 7k1000.d (back ordered) and the ssd on side. Also single blu-ray burner. So all that will go top bays and hot swap might aswell get boxed up. Then sell the d-14 I guess.
 
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86 5.0L said:
Plus one on the loop order not mattering

My 35x runs very cool, they like to run hot when they are pumping too fast, such as a low restriction loop, that's why the PWM feature is nice. Mine runs at 10% and is silent and cool.
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Loop order does not matter generally for temperature, but it can matter for resistance, which in turn may affect overall temps. When I ran my pumps after my radiator, for some reason the resistance was higher and my temps were a few degress warmer. Putting the pumps before the radiator reduced the resistance and dropped my temps. Seems strange since the loops are closed and one would think they should operate the same either way, but that is my experience along with a number of other experienced liquid coolers I learned from. So generally speaking my loops go Res->Pump->Rad->Block->Res. The other theory here being the water gets cooled when passing through the rad before going to the block, although after running for a little bit of time, the water temp is pretty stabilized.
 
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