Windows 8 May Combine Features

Do we really need Windows 8 already? Windows 7 has tons of stuff most people don't even use (or realize is there) yet. Why not just make a big update with a bunch of features instead?
 
Actually I never had much problem with the ribbon interface in Office 2007. The ability to access more functions in one single interface is something that I really liked. I also had the chance to try out SharePoint 2010 last year and I like the ribbon interface there as well.

If they are going to do it in future Windows, hopefully it would be implemented correctly to improve the interface. We'll see.

That said, ribbon interface itself is not going to encourage me to upgrade :p
 
/Also despises the ribbon

Give us useful features, you know like better filesystems and such. Stop fucking with the UI just because you can.
 
Dylan80 said:
Do we really need Windows 8 already? Windows 7 has tons of stuff most people don't even use (or realize is there) yet. Why not just make a big update with a bunch of features instead?
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Money. Why add features to an OS for free when you can charge $200 instead?
 
Windows 8 will fall with in MS normal release cycle so nothing new, and no one is forcing anyone to buy it, so don't like it, don't buy it.

MS is a business and needs to make money, it is that simple
 
vengence said:
I was very skeptical when Inventor went to the ribbon interface. I have to admit after using it for a few months, it is a MUCH better interface.

As far as windows 8, "meh". It's an operating system. There's only so much awesomeness it can have.
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I think some of you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying I don't like the interface. I love it in Office 2007 and 2010 and I was especially overjoyed when they put it in Sharepoint 2010. But when it comes to Windows Explorer, I don't ever use the menu, even now. CTRL A to select all, CTRL X to cut, CTRL C to copy, CTRL V to paste, ALT arrow to go forward or backwards, ALT TAB to switch windows or use my mouse, CTRL Z to undo, F2 to rename..

Since Vista and 7 hid the menu in Explorer, I've not seen it since, nor do I wish to see it. It does nothing for me.

The Ribbon is indeed fantastic. I just don't want it in Windows Explorer, and if they want to add it, that's perfectly fine with me as long as we have the ability to ALT it to hide it, like the current menu.
 
heatlesssun said:
It's amazing just how misunderstood particularly by experienced folks the Ribbon is, at least the version of it in Office 2010. As your screen shot shows it can be minimalistic or verbose, is great for feature discoverability and is very customizable. In Office 2010 it is possible to totally redefine the interface or extend it and it can be designed to work well with touch screens. Indeed an application could have multiple interfaces, one for a keyboard and mouse setup and another for a touch screen for instance,

As the Ribbon becomes more mature and broadly adapted and better componetized so that third parties can use it like any common Windows control I think the naysayers will begin to accept it as we all have classic menus. The Office 2010 Ribbon is superior to classic menus for applications like Office that are function rich.
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you work for ms don't you...
 
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Windows 7 is going to be the new Windows XP

Dylan80 said:
Do we really need Windows 8 already? Windows 7 has tons of stuff most people don't even use (or realize is there) yet. Why not just make a big update with a bunch of features instead?
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heatlesssun said:
Please continue the $200 FUD, funny stuff!;)
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Half the available single-user upgrade versions have an MSRP of $199.99 or more. If you buy directly from Microsoft, you may end up paying as much as $234.94 to upgrade to Windows 7 from an older version, depending on the version you choose. The average MSRP of all four single-user upgrade options is around $170, which, if you buy from the Microsoft Store, will still not include a disc (which is a $14.95 option on all versions).

I'm not just making this stuff up. Of course, there's no real indication of what Microsoft intends to charge for Windows 8 upgrades, so this discussion is somewhat pointless at this time. It's possible they'll charge less — just as possible they'll charge even more this time around.
 
Maybe Microsoft should consider releasing a "Advance Edition" that features everything the top-of-the-line version has, or just simply add an advance button, that prompts the user to install components and select features of the OS based on the user's preference rather than the user having to manipulate the installation process through a slipstream or something.

Could there be a market for that? It might be a selling point for the people in IT. That way, people who really don't need ribbons or some shit on their desktops won't have to go disable the service after an initial install of the OS.
 
Does this version list the space occupied by the files in the directory you're in? :rolleyes:
 
//[T.0.P]//;1037070484 said:
Maybe Microsoft should consider releasing a "Advance Edition" that features everything the top-of-the-line version has, or just simply add an advance button, that prompts the user to install components and select features of the OS based on the user's preference rather than the user having to manipulate the installation process through a slipstream or something.
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Microsoft's been trying to simplify the installation process, so such a feature might go against that goal to some degree. I would also hope that they intend to further simplify the version scheme such that there are no longer half a dozen different versions of Windows with varying capabilities when two (or perhaps just one) would suffice.
 
I was not unhappy with Vista, its very similar to windows 7. I like windows 7, and I will probably like windows 8. I prefer to be on a newer OS/ patch of it, but I dont think I will super enthused about win 8 enough to buy it in the first year. I usually wait until service pack one before I adopt. The only reason I had win 7 6 days after launch is because I got the professional version through my previous school for free.
 
Ive been using the ribbon in office for 4 years and STILL HATE it.

The biggest complaint I have is that features that are not on the ribbon are hard to find (or even impossible until you add them) This was not the case with normal drop down menus.

Ive seen it frustrate many inexperienced users.
 
wait microsoft adding features to its next installment of windars OMFG the world will end in 2012
 
phide said:
I'm not just making this stuff up.
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Microsoft has sold well over 300 million copies of Windows 7. If Microsoft were selling Windows 7 at $200 a pop that's $60 billion in revenue on Windows 7 alone the last 18 months or so, clearly they aren't making that kind of money.

My point is that every time you mention Windows pricing you invariably throw out the highest retail price that pretty much no one pays, unless they are just being a dumb buyer. Not to mention the fact that the bulk of Windows sales still come on new machines and of course those copies don't come anywhere near $200.

Making it up no, misleading absolutely.;)
 
//[T.0.P]//;1037070866 said:
Now that would be a new concept: Going inside directories. Right now, we just simply change the current working directory. ;)
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One "explores" the hierarchical file structure in "Explorer", so I am sure my choice of "in" is analogous to this concept and translates well. So spare me your banal semantical analysis. ;)
 
Azhar said:
I think some of you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying I don't like the interface. I love it in Office 2007 and 2010 and I was especially overjoyed when they put it in Sharepoint 2010. But when it comes to Windows Explorer, I don't ever use the menu, even now. CTRL A to select all, CTRL X to cut, CTRL C to copy, CTRL V to paste, ALT arrow to go forward or backwards, ALT TAB to switch windows or use my mouse, CTRL Z to undo, F2 to rename..

Since Vista and 7 hid the menu in Explorer, I've not seen it since, nor do I wish to see it. It does nothing for me.

The Ribbon is indeed fantastic. I just don't want it in Windows Explorer, and if they want to add it, that's perfectly fine with me as long as we have the ability to ALT it to hide it, like the current menu.
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Is sounds like the ribbon should be right up your alley...

- Double-clicking a tab on the ribbon causes the ribbon to roll up and hide, making it take up no-more space than the folderband that already exists in Windows 7.
- Single-clicking a tab on the hidden ribbon causes it to temporarily re-appear (like a classic drop-down menu, hovering over the content area). The ribbon will hide again as soon as you click away.
- Double-clicking a tab on the hidden ribbon brings it back permanently again.

All you'll need to do is double-click one of the tabs, and the ribbon will be out of your way. :)
 
Ashbringer said:
Real Nvidia drivers? Like the ones that come with OpenGL and even the Nvidia stuff that comes from Nvidia's driver package?
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yup, infact it wants me to update the drivers again, but I havent since I havent had any problems.

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Ashbringer said:
I'm trying, but fucking Microsoft is monopolizing. If only developers made games for Linux. And Photoshop.

A centralized way to update everything on your computer would be 10X better then having these fucking apps that run in the background, just to check. Also, would be great for game developers if both ATI and Nvidia's drivers were also available from Windows update.

Remember, Joe Six Pack doesn't know about application or driver updates, unless it's from Windows Update.


Cause Windows 7 knows no evil. Speaks no evil. It especially doesn't hear any evil.

Give me a break. I just spent my entire day trying to fix standby and hibernation issues with Windows 7. From what I've searched on Google, I'm not the only one.


Linux comes with an amazing partition manager. Windows comes with shit. There are many instances where I need ways to partition something.

For example, Android owners who seek to increase the performance or storage of their phone, may need to partition their SD card. Another reason to have a partitioned hard drive is for security reasons.
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Thanks for the defense Ashbringer, I couldn't belive I'm the only one.

I sure as hell would use only Linux if
a) Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator and bigger games like Sim City 4 and Sims 3 would run natively
b) The fucking gnome desktop would accept which monitor I want as primary, and STAY that way without having to fucking code it in every time

Other than that I have no problem in running Ubuntu 24/7, but still, if Windows would fix those things, I would actually be proud of Billy's team.

Why no additional partitions? Instantly resize user partitions, giving my niece's user accounts with easy quotas, destroying a user completely by simply erasing that partiton, reinstall everything while keeping my user folders and user accounts intact, there are a million ways in which a proverbial million partitions would be useful.

No "actual central app update repo" is needed: just access to the windows update code, just like M$ office, in which the app tream actually releases their updates to it as well rather than just posting it on therir site. Maybe I'm not explaining myself properly, but when the update is out, there is no reason why Windows update should not see it.

BTW, I don't *want* Linux per se, I just want to use the best operating system possible, and I feel that by adding those few things to what windows 7already brings to the table would basically make it the end-all be-all of OSes.
 
Dammit, why can't I edit my posts? the original rebuttal post was this:


Exavior said:
Lets see, no, no, no, no, and um no.

Stay with Linux if you want linux.

Microsoft will never add an central update server to hold the updates for ever single piece of software ever created by every single company in the world.

There is no real need to change all of that stuff. if you really want to though there are ways.

Stability is fine with windows 7. you are either running shitty software or hardware if you notice issues.

no we don't need 35 partions on a computer. Given that you can't just copy the programfolder from one computer to another and have everything work that is pointless to put it into a different partion as it does you no good without the registry. 1 for the OS, 1 for data is fine. if you do decide to do so, you can redirect user profiles to another harddrive other than the C drive.
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86 5.0L said:
yup, infact it wants me to update the drivers again, but I havent since I havent had any problems.

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Exactly what I mean. Now, imagine *Calibre 0.7.5.4 available* or *Photoshop 13.0.3 available* and you got my drift.
 
Avi said:
Exactly what I mean. Now, imagine *Calibre 0.7.5.4 available* or *Photoshop 13.0.3 available* and you got my drift.
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I would hate it. Windows update is good the way it is for ONLY core system files.
 
Why no additional partitions? Instantly resize user partitions, giving my niece's user accounts with easy quotas, destroying a user completely by simply erasing that partiton, reinstall everything while keeping my user folders and user accounts intact, there are a million ways in which a proverbial million partitions would be useful.
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because %90 of people who use windows never to this.... so why add it, and FYI you can redo partitions in windows, takes some steps, but it can be done, pending on what partitions you may already have in place.
 
LightningCrash said:
How big is this majority you speak of, and what do they pay?
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Most people get Windows with new computers, I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 75% or so, something I remember reading some time ago but I don't remember exactly where. However it's common knowledge that the vast majority of people don't upgrade the version of Windows that came with their computers, they simply buy new computers. I believe that the typical cost for Windows 7 Home Premium on a new PC is roughly in the range of $40 to $50 for large volume OEMs which is just added on to the cost of the machine.
 
I use a third-party file manager because I hate how Explorer looks in Windows Vista and 7. Needless to say I'm not to thrilled at the idea of Explorer being ribbonized.
 
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