HP ZR24w

I think there is still something slightly different about the colours when compared to a "real" sRGB native screen?
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A real "sRGB native screen" would have a sRGB gradation out of the box and would perfectly covering sRGB color space in relation to the desired whitepoint. You will not find such a screen. Nevertheless: If you only want to work in sRGB there's nothing wrong in choosing a non WCG screen. With CCFL backlight you would also avoid some severe problems in using a colorimeter.

A fixed sRGB mode (like in the DELL) will deliver sufficient results when accurately implemented and paired with an appropriate electronic. A flexible color space emulation is even more precise. Depending on the implementation you will also have a real gamut mapping when emulating larger color spaces than the display color space (the NEC PA241W offers this kind of transformations).

One problem are drifts of the screen, particularly because of aging effects of the backlight. This effects non WCG screens too. Some high-end screens can update their gamut information used as basis for the color space emulation to avoid increasing deviations (see our upcomming Eizo CG 245W review).

Hmm. I think you've said that with the U2410 (hardware A00 updated to firmware A01) the firmware update simply disables the FRC dither in sRGB / Adobe mode? D
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In can only guess what DELL has done to avoid these dithering effects with a simple firmware update. My information was that the A01 screens are using an other panel revision that has a FRC implementation in the panel and not scaler (which means that it would be now the implementation of LG). But after seeing a screenshot of an older A00 panel I'm quite unsure about this. The firmware update could disable FRC for sRGB and AdobeRGB mode (look at dark tonal values - if you don't see slight temporal noise no FRC is used) or change FRC rate. But these are only assumptions.

Best regards

Denis
 
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Kalessian said:
Thanks for the info, good thing I have a few big boxes around with some peanuts. I'll call costcentral tomorrow. How is the new one?
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The new one has the same problem, just a little higher up. Overall the screen looks better and doesn't seem to have the same silver shine over it (don't know how else to explain it).

I'll use it for a couple more days, not sure if I really want to keep swapping monitors in hopes I don't get another one like this. I think more people have this problem and they are just not noticing it.

Very disappointed. I stayed away from Dell because of the tinting problem and now I get this.
 
canon.tk said:
The new one has the same problem, just a little higher up. Overall the screen looks better and doesn't seem to have the same silver shine over it (don't know how else to explain it).

I'll use it for a couple more days, not sure if I really want to keep swapping monitors in hopes I don't get another one like this. I think more people have this problem and they are just not noticing it.

Very disappointed. I stayed away from Dell because of the tinting problem and now I get this.
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I'll check for those discolored bars with different backgrounds. As for the silver shine, you will have to calibrate your monitor to diminish the effect. It's not going to go completely away.

After adjusting my HP it's almost as good my NEC.
 
KENNYB said:
I'll check for those discolored bars with different backgrounds. As for the silver shine, you will have to calibrate your monitor to diminish the effect. It's not going to go completely away.

After adjusting my HP it's almost as good my NEC.
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I calibrated it at least 10 times and the new one using the exact same method with much better results.

I did order a replacement for my 5 year old Spyder2Pro though. I feel it makes my monitors a little too much on the red side now.
 
I am thinking of getting one of these but people keep saying it is washed out with bad blacks and low contrast....

I have read the tft central review and it says if you set contrast to 100 brightness to ~0 and calibrate the colours then it has good black levels and contrast?

Who has tried this and does it give a good result when calibrated like it says in the tft central review? They say it is quite poor at 80% contrast in terms of blacks and contrast but is good at 100 contrast low brightness and calibrated....

I have a nec20wgx2 at the moment, the picture is great but its too damn small! How would these compare with IQ?

Also to calibrate the HP do you HAVE to have a hardware calibrator or can you acheive a decent result via software/manual calibration because I cant really afford one.
 
canon.tk said:
I calibrated it at least 10 times and the new one using the exact same method with much better results.

I did order a replacement for my 5 year old Spyder2Pro though. I feel it makes my monitors a little too much on the red side now.
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What are your settings?
 
I'd say the black levels were pretty nice on mine with my software/by-eye ghetto calibration guided by tftcentral. Not as good as my glossy PVA panel but very acceptable for an LCD in general.

That is, the blacks were nice until I sat too closely to the thing. Then the white glow in the bottom corners ruined everything. About 2.5-3 feet away was needed. I prefer to sit closer. We'll see how my new panel does when I get it.
 
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In can only guess what DELL has done to avoid these dithering effects with a simple firmware update. My information was that the A01 screens are using an other panel revision that has a FRC implementation in the panel and not scaler (which means that it would be now the implementation of LG). But after seeing a screenshot of an older A00 panel I'm quite unsure about this. The firmware update could disable FRC for sRGB and AdobeRGB mode (look at dark tonal values - if you don't see slight temporal noise no FRC is used) or change FRC rate. But these are only assumptions.
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Hmm, well I haven't spotted any noise. But neither have I noticed ANY difference in the behavior of sRGB or Adobe modes between A00 and A01 either (beyond the 'fix' mentioned by Dell), which is why I wondered if it was something which would only be visible when the FRC was being used in emulated 10 bit mode or something.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
Got my Spyder3Pro today, and my feelings were correct. My 5 year old Spyder2Pro was way off. The Spyder3 does a much better job. White looks white not red/pink.

And my two computers are as close as they've ever been. One is still just a little bluer than the other. But I don't think you can get a 5 year old Glossy MVA and a brand new ZR24w to match perfectly.
 
Previously I reported that my ZR24w buzzed. Some chastised me, saying, no they don't buzz. But a recent poster said his did. I returned my first ZR24w and bought a new one directly from HP. This one buzzes the same as the first, at the same brightness levels. Also, it seems to have a "less-white", dusty streak , horizontally across the middle of the screen. At times though it seems to not be present, and I swear it is nearly gone when viewed by just one eye. Wonder if it is a quirk of my eyes. All three of us in the family see the same streak. so again I am puzzled what to do. Many DELL owners of IPS screens report tint problems. It looks like nearly everyone is going to have to accept some imperfections. ??. I guess this is what some refer to as a dirty screen.
 
What's the general concensus on this monitor as a gaming monitor? I do a little photoshop (not professionally) and I want good color accuracy. But I also do quite a bit of gaming. Is this monitor a good balance for both or should I be looking elsewhere in the 24" range?
 
I just purchased a HIS 5770 to go with my ZR24W. For some reason, i am not able to get displayport working. the combination is working with VGA and HDMI/DVI. Does anyone have this combination? Should i be doing something specific? Please help.
 
silverdream said:
I just purchased a HIS 5770 to go with my ZR24W. For some reason, i am not able to get displayport working. the combination is working with VGA and HDMI/DVI. Does anyone have this combination? Should i be doing something specific? Please help.
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The connection is pretty stiff on the monitor side. Press very hard until you hear a distinct click or pop sound.
 
HORNO said:
What's the general concensus on this monitor as a gaming monitor? I do a little photoshop (not professionally) and I want good color accuracy. But I also do quite a bit of gaming. Is this monitor a good balance for both or should I be looking elsewhere in the 24" range?
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I game on mine a lot and it's just fine for that. I don't play FPS though.
 
Hey, I wanted to ask everyone here what is the best setting to calibrate my HP zr24w to. I'm not a photographer or anything like that, and I don't have any calibration software. But are there any preset settings or changes that I could select which would make my monitor much better than the factory preset?

Also, my monitor came with a USB-B cable. While I plugged it into the monitor and my computer, I didn't notice anything different. What does the USB connection do, other than maybe supply more power to the monitor?

Finally, is the dynamic contrast ratio turned on by default, or do I have to calibrate that as well? Thank you for your help.
 
canon.tk said:
Got my Spyder3Pro today, and my feelings were correct. My 5 year old Spyder2Pro was way off. The Spyder3 does a much better job. White looks white not red/pink.

And my two computers are as close as they've ever been. One is still just a little bluer than the other. But I don't think you can get a 5 year old Glossy MVA and a brand new ZR24w to match perfectly.
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What are your new settings? My whites aren't exactly white yet. Thanks...
 
KENNYB said:
What are your new settings? My whites aren't exactly white yet. Thanks...
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Nothing special. Monitor is set to 6500 - sRGB, brightness 20, contrast 90 (don't go over 90 with it set to the default color temps, it'll blow the colors out around 94 or so. the people that have it set to 100 are the ones that manually set the RGB sliders and always have them below 200).

Told the software to use 2.2 6500. If you use 2.2 6500 LCD Luminance Default it'll pull the blacks just before pure black up too much. Makes those LCD black level test images look great but in practice it'll pull out a lot of noise in the dark areas of pictures.

That's about it.

One thing to keep in mind. If you have two monitors right next to each other and they are calibrated differently they'll exaggerate each other. If one is warmer than 6500 and the other is cooler, after you sit and look at the cooler monitor for a few minutes your eyes will adjust to how that white looks and when you look at the warmer monitor it'll look very warm/pink/red etc. The reverse it true. This is the reason I would never use a program that you have to eye ball the color to get it set right.
 
canon.tk said:
One thing to keep in mind. If you have two monitors right next to each other and they are calibrated differently they'll exaggerate each other. If one is warmer than 6500 and the other is cooler, after you sit and look at the cooler monitor for a few minutes your eyes will adjust to how that white looks and when you look at the warmer monitor it'll look very warm/pink/red etc. The reverse it true. This is the reason I would never use a program that you have to eye ball the color to get it set right.
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Exactly! I thought I was seeing things. I will try this again with only one monitor one. Thanks again.
 
I got my replacement today. I have to say that for me it's a nicer unit than my other one, but still not perfect. The color uniformity is much better (no red tint), but the bottom and right edges seems to be a little darker now instead (only noticable on a white background). There is some blacklight bleed on the top about 4 inches from the right corner, but the bright horizontal bars are gone.

To me, it's a big improvement. I'll keep this one, I'm glad I RMA'd.

EDIT: The bright bars are still there, actually. But they are a lot less noticable on this new panel. I only really notice it on dark gray backgrounds. My hypothesis is that there is either a big batch of these bright bar panels or maybe every single one has them in some form.
 
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Has anybody successfully connected this monitor to a blu-ray player? If so, how. I realise the monitor doesn't have an HDMI input but wondered if there was any other way. I've attempted to connect via a HDMI to DVI adapter and also a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter but neither of these methods worked. HDMI to DVI came back with an error on the monitor "Input Signal Out of Range. Change settings to 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz" and the DP to HDMI simply didn't detect any signal.
 
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Has anybody successfully connected this monitor to a blu-ray player? If so, how. I realise the monitor doesn't have an HDMI input but wondered if there was any other way. I've attempted to connect via a HDMI to DVI adapter and also a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter but neither of these methods worked. HDMI to DVI came back with an error on the monitor "Input Signal Out of Range. Change settings to 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz" and the DP to HDMI simply didn't detect any signal.
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Your Blu-Ray player is probably set to output 1080i, which the ZR24w doesn't support. I had that problem when I tried to hook my PS3 up to it. I had to go back to my regular TV and set it to display 720p and hook it up to the monitor after that. Then I could change it to display 1080p instead.

As for the displayport cable, thosee only work if you're going from displayport to HDMI, not the other way around. But HDMI-DVI works either way.
 
snclawson said:
Your Blu-Ray player is probably set to output 1080i, which the ZR24w doesn't support. I had that problem when I tried to hook my PS3 up to it. I had to go back to my regular TV and set it to display 720p and hook it up to the monitor after that. Then I could change it to display 1080p instead.

As for the displayport cable, thosee only work if you're going from displayport to HDMI, not the other way around. But HDMI-DVI works either way.
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Do you know if you can get a DVI to Displayport adapter that would work with this? That way I could hook up my Macbook Pro to the Displayport and the blu-ray to the DVI (via HDMI)
 
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Your Blu-Ray player is probably set to output 1080i, which the ZR24w doesn't support. I had that problem when I tried to hook my PS3 up to it. I had to go back to my regular TV and set it to display 720p and hook it up to the monitor after that. Then I could change it to display 1080p instead.

As for the displayport cable, thosee only work if you're going from displayport to HDMI, not the other way around. But HDMI-DVI works either way.
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Umm, I've tried everything I can think of but stil nothing! I've tried HDMI to DVI but it says "Input Signal Out of Range" even though I've got the blu-ray on automatic resolution as well as attempting to change the resolution on the blu-ray to 720p. I've also attempted to connect via HDMI to VGA but it says there's no signal! Help!!!

What's a bit strange though is when I plug the HDMI to DVI adapter and then turn on the blu-ray - the initial blu-ray start up screen appears and then after a few seconds the "out of range" message appears on the monitor. Very weird and a bit annoying.
 
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Do you know if you can get a DVI to Displayport adapter that would work with this? That way I could hook up my Macbook Pro to the Displayport and the blu-ray to the DVI (via HDMI)
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I've been trying the DVI output of my 9800GT and my GTX 260 on 2 different machines on a DVI to Displayport cable that I got from monoprice. No matter what Machine I use, the monitor never detects any signal.. is there any way around this? I have 2 machines And I Need to have a connection established to both without using a DVI switcher..
 
greencode said:
Umm, I've tried everything I can think of but stil nothing! I've tried HDMI to DVI but it says "Input Signal Out of Range" even though I've got the blu-ray on automatic resolution as well as attempting to change the resolution on the blu-ray to 720p. I've also attempted to connect via HDMI to VGA but it says there's no signal! Help!!!
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Well, I'm not sure why 720p wouldn't come through, although the ZR24w really does seem pretty damned finicky about the modes it recognizes. It's annoying really and makes no sense to me (similarly, the lack of usable scaling options for most modes boggles my mind).

I can tell you why your attempt and hooking it up to the VGA port didn't work though. HDMI doesn't support VGA/analog, it's digital only. The reason that the DVI-VGA adapters exist is that DVI does support both digital and analog. But a HDMI->DVI->VGA combo won't work because there was no analog signal to begin with.
 
This would be the perfect monitor for me if it could scale its inputs well! In a pinch, I ordered the NEC EA231WMI –+maybe next season some company will nail it all. Or HP will offer a firmware update.
 
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