No Fermi benchmarks on the 26th

GoldenTiger said:
I already tried two different brand ones... the original, and one I got as an RMA replacement since they were out of stock (original was XFX which ran out, so they had me re-order an Asus version). :( I just didn't have much luck with the 5870 cards.
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I have no issue with all my 5870s and 5970 ..

its either you have a bad card or something in your system that have conflict with..

while it happens on you but not on majority, that mean there is something going on with your system....
 
I like my 5870s, with that said they are going on the FS/FT forum next week. I like to have the latest cards and since the Fermi is something totally new I can't wait to try it out in SLI.
 
shansoft said:
I have no issue with all my 5870s and 5970 ..

its either you have a bad card or something in your system that have conflict with..

while it happens on you but not on majority, that mean there is something going on with your system....
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Two different systems with each card tried in both? Doesn't seem likely to me, but if it works for you, great.


DooKey said:
I like my 5870s, with that said they are going on the FS/FT forum next week. I like to have the latest cards and since the Fermi is something totally new I can't wait to try it out in SLI.
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There's that factor as well :D. New shinies :p !
 
GoldenTiger said:
Two different systems with each card tried in both? Doesn't seem likely to me, but if it works for you, great.




There's that factor as well :D. New shinies :p !
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that could also mean software conflict or some other hardware in your system that is causing it..

when majority of people don't have your issue, it means something is going on with your system...
 
shansoft said:
that could also mean software conflict or some other hardware in your system that is causing it..

when majority of people don't have your issue, it means something is going on with your system...
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How do you know it's not the majority of people?

Regardless, that doesn't change the FACT that on my systems it DOES have issues and thus is not a good product to me ;). I don't know why you ATI people are so fervently trying to convince me that ATI is the savior of the earth.
 
GoldenTiger said:
How do you know it's not the majority of people?

Regardless, that doesn't change the FACT that on my systems it DOES have issues and thus is not a good product to me ;). I don't know why you ATI people are so fervently trying to convince me that ATI is the savior of the earth.
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huh?

I am ATI people? and while I am using nVidia card now? good try with your name calling..

just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they talk for the team....

Its either you are making things up from nowhere or it just your system does not like ATI at all...

go ahead and pick over the forums, also the poll from last time about those who have no issue with their 5800 series... by large percent of people have no issue at all, and that is like 80-90%...
 
shansoft said:
huh?

I am ATI people? and while I am using nVidia card now? good try...

Its either you are making things up from nowhere or it just your system does not like ATI at all...

go ahead and pick over the forums, also the poll from last time about those who have no issue with their 5800 series... by large percent of people have no issue at all, and that is like 80-90%...
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That means 10-20% do still... out of millions of cards that's a LOT. I don't care what you claim to use, you do nothing but pounce every time I make a post, within minutes (don't you have other things to do?) about how I must be lying about the driver issues I have experienced with the 5870, (AGAIN it is TWO different systems with TWO different cards, not just one isolated instance) then attempt fervently to convince me that it must be my error and I am an idiot for selling to buy a Fermi. So, yeah... you are absolutely some kind of shill for ATI, because I cannot for the life of me think of any other reason someone would independently take such actions: it is not sane. If you're not, then well.... I don't even know what to say to help you with your problem. Anyway, another ad for ATI out of you and onto the ignore list ;).
 
GoldenTiger said:
That means 10-20% do still... out of millions of cards that's a LOT. I don't care what you claim to use, you do nothing but pounce every time I make a post, within minutes (don't you have other things to do?) about how I must be lying about the driver issues I have experienced with the 5870, (AGAIN it is TWO different systems with TWO different cards, not just one isolated instance) then attempt fervently to convince me that it must be my error and I am an idiot for selling to buy a Fermi. So, yeah... you are absolutely some kind of shill for ATI, because I cannot for the life of me think of any other reason someone would independently take such actions: it is not sane. If you're not, then well.... I don't even know what to say to help you with your problem. Anyway, another ad for ATI out of you and onto the ignore list ;).
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huh? Jump into a post within a min with your post? muhahahahaahahah

are you making a sarcasm or you are talking about yourself?
search my post and your post.. it says EVERYTHING..

and no 10-20% having problems mean they have issue with it doesnt mean its major, and 80+% who claim they have NONE..

look back to nVidia, and see how it goes... same thing or worse?

you are just making it more pathetic than it already is...

when you have problem on both system, when others doesn't you immediately blame its the issue that cause by driver without looking into other things... GJ I recall?

If you love name calling, keep it going... I love how I hold an apple in hand and say its orange.... :D
 
GoldenTiger said:
How do you know it's not the majority of people?

Regardless, that doesn't change the FACT that on my systems it DOES have issues and thus is not a good product to me ;). I don't know why you ATI people are so fervently trying to convince me that ATI is the savior of the earth.
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I have two 5870's. Both have driver issues with Bioshock 2. The menu does not display correctly. I am seeing it with and without OC and I have reinstalled the game to see if it was the install with multiple driver versions in the 3 i7's I own. I work in IT so it isn't an improper install either. 3 series ATi was driver hell, and 4 series was getting better. 5 series has its quirks too (not the hardware's fault, it is the fault of the second rate driver support).
 
shansoft said:
that could also mean software conflict or some other hardware in your system that is causing it..

when majority of people don't have your issue, it means something is going on with your system...
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Are you serious man? Go look through the ATI and nVidia forums and you will see problems that don't affect the majority of people. Somehow it's not the driver's fault?
 
Of course it's not the drivers fault. Especially not Nvidia's fan-killing driver, or their component-overheating driver from last fall. It's all PEBCAK right?
 
This does not bode well for Nvidia. I was about to wait for Fermi to upgrade from my GTX280 but then delay after delay (and the nagging feeling that Charlie may be right all along in his open anti-nvidia rant the more information slipped through) and decided to go buy a pair of 5870.

Sure the driver are not as good as nvidia ones in general, but after a while you learn how to setup a good profile for your games and it runs smooth, also the new 10.3 preview are fine so far.

Fanboy or not, to release a card after so many delays and now w/o benchmarks you do not smell fish? After half a year Nividia better come back on stage with a killer and be ready to show it openly. It appears from a technical point of view Fermi was simply over-engineered, the vision was grand but given the already troubled 40nm TSMC process, a 3 billion transistor chip...?

What Nvidia now has finally admitted (yes and I have chosen this word on purpose since the rumours have started earlier...) Fermi is hot and consumes a lot of power. Will the performance increase be worth it? NVidia has not much to show here. With all this bad press they should be desperate to get some more benches out in the open convincing people of Fermis power.

So either heads up to Nvidia for being able to pull our noses and show ATI who is king or heads up to Charlie for calling Nvidias bluff/marketing/strategy for what it really was.
 
GoldenTiger said:
That means 10-20% do still... out of millions of cards that's a LOT. I don't care what you claim to use, you do nothing but pounce every time I make a post, within minutes (don't you have other things to do?) about how I must be lying about the driver issues I have experienced with the 5870, (AGAIN it is TWO different systems with TWO different cards, not just one isolated instance) then attempt fervently to convince me that it must be my error and I am an idiot for selling to buy a Fermi. So, yeah... you are absolutely some kind of shill for ATI, because I cannot for the life of me think of any other reason someone would independently take such actions: it is not sane. If you're not, then well.... I don't even know what to say to help you with your problem. Anyway, another ad for ATI out of you and onto the ignore list ;).
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As an Electronic Technician, problems with electronics are 90% user error and 10% hardware error. That means that if 85 percent of the systems running ATI are working great with little to no problem. Out of say 15 percent of the actual users with problems, only 1 percent are actual hardware problems.

Works with little to no problem 85%

Has problems:
User error 14%
Hardware problem 1%
 
Did you forget software as in hardware that requires software to operate in your equation?
 
Kowan said:
Did you forget software as in hardware that requires software to operate in your equation?
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Was speaking in generals. If 80 to 90 percent of the users are having little to no problem, what is wrong with the other 10 to 20 percent of users having problems? I remember people having some problems with clock stability. They wanted to blame ati and no one else. Come to find out, all the users with the problem were using msi afterburner. After they removed it... The problem went away.
 
Waiting a few days more for benchmarks wont hurt the already 6 month wait. I just hope [H] could throw Metro 2033 in the mix.
 
BravO))) said:
Was speaking in generals. If 80 to 90 percent of the users are having little to no problem, what is wrong with the other 10 to 20 percent of users having problems? I remember people having some problems with clock stability. They wanted to blame ati and no one else. Come to find out, all the users with the problem were using msi afterburner. After they removed it... The problem went away.
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Then there is the problem of people seriously overclocking their cards, even to the extent of burning them out and RMA'ing them. Then they wonder why they are getting green and purple spots on their desktops and random glitches with games and they blame it on bad drivers.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Yea, the Radeon 5870 was SO easy to find the first few months too! Wait, no it wasn't :rolleyes: . Nvidia's drivers have been fine lately barring the fan speed throttling glitch with that single set, which was widely publicized and easily fixable by going to the then-current set or setting the fan speed manually. Seriously now... you're really going on about that? I know bashing nvidia is the "cool thing" to do, but remember, it wasn't so long ago when ATI was considered garbage/slow ;), and I have a feeling they soon will be again... all their driver issues not withstanding, just on speed alone.
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Yes, he's going on about that, not unlike the way you're going on about things that don't even exist for the majority of people like buggy AMD drivers and AMD performance issues.

Besides being an nVIdia fan, what are you basing your "performance" predictions on? Everything I'm seeing suggests on the single GPU front Fermi will be marginally faster, nothing to brag about considering the time frame and they still won't have anything to compete with the 5970. Even their single GPU "advantage" will likely be short lived with an AMD refresh. ;)
 
If even some of predictions are true about the power and heat, then fermi will be a disappointment to overclockers. Kyle's prediction that it is going to use 300w seems to bang on correct. Can't wait to see what the cooling solution is like!!
 
Yes, personally I found it to be rubbish. Ported console game. Graphics is nice, but that's about it. Played it for about an hour, got bored. But I am sure children will find it delightfull. It reminds me of my disappointment with Supreme Commander 2, Aliens vs predator 2 and all the releases so far this year. Gaming is not the same it was. Don't judge me with this statement, I have been gaming on pc's for over 20 years, and trust me, 2009 and 2010 was not a good year for pc games. Except for the online games which I really enjoy.
 
I was in the Nvidia camp after the 6800GT came out and replaced my old 9800 Pro. It was Nvidia from that 6800GT to 7800GTX (SLI) to 8800GTX (SLI) to 275GTX (SLI) before I switched back to the ATI 5870 (Crossfire) I have not had one issue with the drivers from AMD/ATI other then learning how the CCC works and manually doing game profiles. While I do miss my nHancer for my profiles in Nvidia, AMD/ATI drivers have been very solid, plus the drivers have matured as well. It is actually refreshing that drivers are released every month instead of Beta's all the time....
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
do we live on some magical planet where all of a sudden, NV has no problems with drivers?
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Do we live on some magical planet where all of a sudden, ATI has no problems with drivers either, and all problems affect all users and not just a subsection of them?

Nope, no fairy dust in the air yet, ;). I also never said no one has issues with nvidia drivers ever, I said *I* haven't.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Do we live on some magical planet where all of a sudden, ATI has no problems with drivers either, and all problems affect all users and not just a subsection of them?

Nope, no fairy dust in the air yet, ;). I also never said no one has issues with nvidia drivers ever, I said *I* haven't.
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I'm not the one sitting here proclaiming all of these ATI problems, and pretending like NV has drivers that are any better, that would be you =) for one thing though, at least ATIs QA was never so bad as to BRICK cards with their drivers
 
The Cobra said:
I was in the Nvidia camp after the 6800GT came out and replaced my old 9800 Pro. It was Nvidia from that 6800GT to 7800GTX (SLI) to 8800GTX (SLI) to 275GTX (SLI) before I switched back to the ATI 5870 (Crossfire) I have not had one issue with the drivers from AMD/ATI other then learning how the CCC works and manually doing game profiles. While I do miss my nHancer for my profiles in Nvidia, AMD/ATI drivers have been very solid, plus the drivers have matured as well. It is actually refreshing that drivers are released every month instead of Beta's all the time....
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Same sort of experience here. I had nV cards from Geforce 256 - Geforce 3, Ti 4400, 5800 XT (yes, that was me that bought it), dual 6800 GTs, dual 7800 GTs, dual 7800 GTOs, dual 8800 GTXs. I switched to dual 4870 X2s and now dual 5870s. Long story short, I've had far, far fewer problems with the ATI drivers.
 
I just sold my 4870x2 for this and i hope its worth the wait. I'm glad that card held out as long as it did but it was inexcusable when i couldn't play left 4 dead for 2 months due to drivers. then the framerate bug hit left4dead 2 and i was not happy. I was also tired of the overheating issues with the stock cooler with 85C + temps when gaming and the vacuum sounds when the fan was over 80% to remedy the heat. I thought about spending 60 for an acclero cooler and my roomate is perfectly sound with his quiet gtx 295. I finally decided to sell it when the battlefield bad company 2 loading problem with ATI cards is like watching grains go down a sand timer. So far no problems with nvidia when i owned a 7800gtx, 7900gt (in my htpc still), and dual 8800gtx.
 
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Digital Viper-X- said:
I'm not the one sitting here proclaiming all of these ATI problems, and pretending like NV has drivers that are any better, that would be you =) for one thing though, at least ATIs QA was never so bad as to BRICK cards with their drivers
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if only just the cards... I still remember the faithful 191.07s which bricked mobos with NF200s... But whatever, that's just some poor sob's being stupid, not installing the mobo the right, nvidia way, ain't it. All that matters is that the fanboy's a dreamworld of superior nvidia drivers is not perturbed...
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
I'm not the one sitting here proclaiming all of these ATI problems, and pretending like NV has drivers that are any better, that would be you =) for one thing though, at least ATIs QA was never so bad as to BRICK cards with their drivers
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Yeah, you're the one sitting here claiming that nVidia has problems, and ATI is saintful with halo's ;). Your own post in this very quote is being hypocritical on that one :p. Not sure what your game is here... it isn't following any logical pattern to be honest.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Yeah, you're the one sitting here claiming that nVidia has problems, and ATI is saintful with halo's ;). Your own post in this very quote is being hypocritical on that one :p. Not sure what your game is here... it isn't following any logical pattern to be honest.
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I don't see how he is trying to make one look better than the other.. :rolleyes:
 
shansoft said:
I don't see how he is trying to make one look better than the other.. :rolleyes:
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Really? ... Really??? His own last post just slammed nVidia's drivers on its own ;). I can only assume you're purposefully pretending to not be able to understand that. Anyway, not getting dragged into silliness like this again, have fun playing with yourselves and proclaiming how fail the Fermi is... right up until 7pm EST ;).
 
TehQuick said:
Hey, hey, it's not nice to challenge someone misconceptions :p :cool:
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and someone who really have lots of time and PM those who disagree with him...

seriously though... how much did nVidia paid this guy......

its making it sounds like the second coming of Jesus.
 
Wests said:
So...

Will there or won't there be benchmarks tomorrow?
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We just have to wait and see. One Swedish site has said they will have their review out midnight between 26th and 27th so I take it their NDA ends at the 27th. That would be late afternoon eastcoast US 26th. Haven't heard anything countermanding that...yet.
 
Keatano said:
Yes, personally I found it to be rubbish. Ported console game. Graphics is nice, but that's about it. Played it for about an hour, got bored. But I am sure children will find it delightfull. It reminds me of my disappointment with Supreme Commander 2, Aliens vs predator 2 and all the releases so far this year. Gaming is not the same it was. Don't judge me with this statement, I have been gaming on pc's for over 20 years, and trust me, 2009 and 2010 was not a good year for pc games. Except for the online games which I really enjoy.
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Though I've been gaming for years as well and I've really enjoyed several of the games I've gotten this year. I'm playing through Metro 2033 and I like it a lot. To each their own I guess.
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shansoft said:
and someone who really have lots of time and PM those who disagree with him...

seriously though... how much did nVidia paid this guy......

its making it sounds like the second coming of Jesus.
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lols... relentless fanboys :D
 
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