My new game rig - BUDGET -

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So I have over 100 games and want to play them. But considering I sold my i7-920/6GB/x58/GTX295 for $1350, and most of my 19x12 monitors to gain some cash for other needs, I was left with about $600 and a bunch of these games to play.

I tried the Mac Mini 2009, but I couldn't swallow down the 2.26 dual core proc, or even worse, the 9400m video chipset. So I put together a build that I felt could play games with most eye candy on and a decent enough resolution. I'm not too picky about widescreen, but still felt that gaming at 1280x1024 is the bare minimum you should go in this day in age.

So my friend sold me his Dell 1907fp 19" 1280x1024 monitor. I felt this was a good enough monitor for the price of $80. It was in mint condition and barely used. I know, some people would consider playing in non-wide-screen sacrilege these days. Not me, though. I was thinking that if I only have to power 1280x1024, then I wouldn't need as powerful (expensive) of a rig.

The next requirements were that it run multiple threads (so no single core systems), and that it would run the CPU at least at 3.6GHz (with or without overclocking). This is considering that most recent tests from the tech sites show that CPU scaling pretty much eliminates itself to an advantage for gaming when going over 3.6GHz. DirectX 10 was a requirement since it would have to run Windows 7 64 bit (for 64 bit gaming), but DirectX11 was not, since I don't feel I'll be missing out TOO much by not having DX11 for the next year.

See the next post in this thread for my build.
 
Processor: AMD x2 Phenom II BE 550 ( Dual Core 3.1GHz with unlocked multiplier ) AM3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680
Bought at: $100

Motherboard: MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 Micro-ATX board
Specs: AM3/AM2+, DDR2, 1xPCI-X 16x Gen1 Slot
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130241
Bought at: $50

RAM: Patriot DDR2 4GB (2GB x 2) PVS24G6400LLKNB 4-4-4-12 PC-6400 (800MHz)
http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4306216
Bought at: $100, comes with $25 MIR (Rebate)

Video Card: Palit Geforce GTS 250 1024MB VRAM NE3TS25NFHD02
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261050
Bought at: $125

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075
Bought at: $40

Optical Drive: Lite-On 24X DVD Burner iHAS124
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289
Bought at: $27

Power Supply: APEX AL-D500EXP 500W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817154026
Bought at: $30

Case: Rosewill R101-P-BK 120mm Fan MicroATX Mid Tower Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147112
Bought at: $20

Monitor: Dell 19" 1907fp 1280x1024 8ms
http://www.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/peripherals/monitor_1907fp/pd.aspx?refid=monitor_1907fp
Bought at: $80

NewEgg Shipping: $11
Tax: $7 (for RAM)

Total system cost: $590 ( without Windows 7 cost, or the MIR refund )
 
Apex, eh? Careful... that thing might kill your new parts... then you'll have to build ANOTHER system. :p Just don't expect much from it (ie. don't upgrade the vidcard nor OC anything). While it may be working right now, I'd try to replace that thing ASAP.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=65

For $130, the HD4850 brand new would have been a better choice, since it outperforms that 9800GTX+/GTS250.
 
Wow, that's pretty scary in in regards to the Apex. I went strictly off the price and NewEgg feedback. Probably a bad idea on my part.

Here is why I went with the 250 over the 4850. I can get 1GB VRAM, PhysX, and CUDA through the nVidia card. Also, I couldn't find a review that said the 4850 bested the GTS 250. Could you?

I'll have to monitor my lines with the Apex. I'll leave some feedback after a few days of play. Thanks for your comment!
 
Here is why I went with the 250 over the 4850. I can get 1GB VRAM, PhysX, and CUDA through the nVidia card. Also, I couldn't find a review that said the 4850 bested the GTS 250. Could you?

I did:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3523&p=1

In the above review, the HD 4850 outperformed the GTS 250 in 4 of the 7 games tested.

I'll have to monitor my lines with the Apex. I'll leave some feedback after a few days of play. Thanks for your comment!
Monitor your lines? Will you be using a multi-meter or a POS software?

Anyway, not too sure of the purpose of this thread other than you showing off what is essentially a low quality and short-life PC.
 
"POS" software. Still the Apex definitely sux. 12v & 5v rails drop under spec under load at stock speeds. It'll definitely need a replacement. Anyone have any good budget recommendations? Don't want to spend more than $50 or $60 for a PSU that can support an overclock on this Phenom II.

What do you guys think of this OCZ? $45 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022


DannyBui, that link you sent, only showed three games I saw have the 4850 beat the 250 1GB. I'd say they were neck and neck. Probably couldn't go wrong either way, but yeah, if I had to buy again, I might get the 4850... depending on its power requirements.

This isn't a show-off thread. I've built other computers in the past, and they are always an experiment. This experiment was to see what kind of gaming could be had for under $600. I can recall a time you used to be curious as I was about these things... (look in our post history). No need to be rude.
 
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definitely need a replacement. Anyone have any good budget recommendations? Don't want to spend more than $50 or $60 for a PSU that can support an overclock on this Phenom II.

What do you guys think of this OCZ? $45 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022
It's a mediocre PSU but would be a definite step up over the Apex. With that said, the Corsair 400CX would be enough for taht setup and is of far superior quality.

DannyBui, that link you sent, only showed three games I saw have the 4850 beat the 250 1GB. I'd say they were neck and neck. Probably couldn't go wrong either way, but yeah, if I had to buy again, I might get the 4850... depending on its power requirements.

From that review:
AOC: HD4850
COD:WAW: GTS 250
Crysis Warhead: GTS 250
FO3: HD4850
FC2: HD4850
L4D: HD4850
GRID: HD4850.

That's 5 games where the HD 4850 edged out the GTS 250. Though I think you were trying to say that two of the games tested showed the HD 4850 and GTS 250 neck in correct? Because that is true that the HD4850 did only edge out the GTS 250 by a small percentage. Power requirements wise, the HD4850 only uses 12W more than the GTS 250 according to the above Anandtech article. In addition, the TDP rating of the HD4850 is 110W while the TDP rating of the GTS 250 is 150W.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=566&card2=606

This isn't a show-off thread. I've built other computers in the past, and they are always an experiment. This experiment was to see what kind of gaming could be had for under $600. I can recall a time you used to be curious as I was about these things... (look in our post history). No need to be rude.
Didn't mean to be rude. Was trying to point out what exactly were you trying to show with this thread. I am still curious about these things. In fact, I experiment every day when I post on the forums different setups for different people with different budgets. That should be very clear from my post history. It should also be clear that I always strive for the best quality parts that can fit that budget. Or try to convince the OP to wait or spend that extra bit of cash necessary for that quality.

So here's what I would have gotten for gaming under $600:
$152 - AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE CPU + ECS A780GM-M3 AM2+/AM3 AMD 780G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
$81 - Wintec AMPX 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 RAM
$125 - GIGABYTE GV-R485OC-1GH Radeon HD 4850 1GB PCI-E Video Card
$50 - Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$26 - LG GH22NS50 DVD Burner
$50 - Corsair 400CX 400W PSU
$20 - Same Rosewill Case that you bought
$80 - Dell 19" 1907fp 1280x1024 8ms that you bought.
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Total $584 plus shipping.

Better quality PSU up front, faster video card, faster hard drives, and a better motherboard for that not that much more than your current setup.
 
Ok Danny and Co. I appreciate all the comments! I went ahead and put in for RMAs for the following:

Video Card: Palit Geforce GTS 250 1024MB VRAM NE3TS25NFHD02
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB SATA
Power Supply: APEX AL-D500EXP 500W

Sure there is a 15% restocking fee, and I'll have to pay for the shipping back, but I'll take the expense as a consequence of not seeking more information before pulling the trigger. After at least ten years of doing this, I should of know better by now. Especially with the PSU.

That HD at 16MB cache and double the size in storage was too tempting to pass up. Thanks DannyBui. Also, I am a bit hesitant about downgrading to a power supply with 100 less watts, but considering that the video card I'd get wouldn't be a 4870 or higher (which raises power requirements significantly) but a 250 or 4850, then I suppose it should be enough, plus what really matters is the fluctuations on rails. Can't believe I forgot about PFC, too! I considered a 5750, but couldn't swallow the 128-bit memory interface. What were they thinking putting that on the 57xx line?

With that said, I put in orders for:
Corsair 400CX 400W PSU
Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
GIGABYTE GV-R485OC-1GH Radeon HD 4850 1GB PCI-E Video Card.

I didn't feel that the other parts differences were worth exchanging for. But thanks for putting those suggestions together, I'm hoping more than myself will benefit. Oh, and I'm sad I'll be losing the ability to use PhysX, but in earnest, the 250 would probably take a further FPS drop enabling PhysX along with rendering 3D. At these specs, FPS is really far superior to anything else.

I'll post back what changes I see, since I'm going to keep the rig together over the weekend to at least enjoy some of my lost cash.
 
... Can't believe I forgot about PFC, too!

I considered a 5750, but couldn't swallow the 128-bit memory interface. What were they thinking putting that on the 57xx line? ...

If you're in the US, APFC doesn't matter as much, but it is a typical feature of good PSUs.

You have to remember, it was designed a couple years ago; also, it uses GDDR5 to compensate.
 
So a couple weeks have passed, and I'm not seeing any problems with the new system except for some weird hibernation issues, but that might be due to unknown settings somewhere in Windows 7 or the BIOS that I haven't messed with.

What concerns me though is the numbers on my voltage ratings being reported by both HW monitor and SpeedFan for the Corsair 400CX 400W PSU I purchased.

+3.3V is @ 3.36v GOOD
+5V is @ 4.92v BAD
+12V is @ 12.06v NOT SO GREAT

Do you guys think I got a defective PSU? Or is it just not good enough for this rig?

AMD Phenom II BE 550 (no overclock), Patriot EPP 2 sticks DDR2 RAM, MSI Motherboard, ATI 4850 (no overclock), WD Sata HD, DVD, 1 Case Fan, 1 CPU Fan, and a partridge in a pear tree.
 
Can I even think of overclocking either GPU or CPU with +5v@4.92v and +12V@12.06v?
 
3.6 GHz should be easy to get too with your current setup. I don't overclock video cards, so I can't help you there.
 
Can I even think of overclocking either GPU or CPU with +5v@4.92v and +12V@12.06v?

Yup. Looks fine to me. The numbers don't have to be exact, just within spec, and software readouts of those voltages aren't the greatest, either.
 
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