MW2 - Ridiculous story? (spoiler alert)

jpm100 said:
Yeah because if you're all about risking your life for the greater good, you wouldn't have just ducked for cover and picked off your fellow terrorists pretty much foiling the whole plot. So instead you just let them slaughter defenseless people.
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I won't disagree with you. I tried four times to execute Makarov. Didn't turn out well.
 
Anyways, I didn't think the story was that over the top...the whole satellite thing was due to the Russians getting their hands on the ACS module (which begs the question why didn't we change it once we knew they had a copy of it?)

As for the General: He was in charge of the troops in Middle East that got nuked in the first game...he stated "I lost 30K men and the world didn't do a thing about it" He also seemed to have a hand in a Private Military Contractor towards the end of the game...

I wasn't keen on killing off the man players in the game either, but what you gonna do...I also thought the ending was a bit of a let down..too much like MW

The question I have is this: How the hell did Price wind up in the Gulag anyways? The other one is the recovery of that guy from his safe room in VA...what was missing or stolen from it?
 
don't try and make sense of this game's story. your head will explode.
 
In entertainment mediums there there is something called "Suspension of disbelief". This involves the audience (the players) accepting certain things that make no real sense to maintain the fiction of the story and stay engaged in it. All games depend on this to one degree or another, and that is fine.

The problem happens when the game asks us to disbelieve something that is so ridiculously beyond belief, even within the established lore of that world, that we can no longer suspend disbelief, and in that moment we are temporarily mentally disassociated from the game as we think about how little sense it makes. This greatly reduces the impact of the game.

So basically what I am saying is that the things I mentioned in my OP cause me to disbelieve in spite of my attempt to suspend my disbelief, and so the game has less impact. The worst part is that this issue crops up the most in the scenes that are intended to have the most impact, the airport terrorist scene and the "defending your home town's fast food restaurants" scene.
 
i agree, its important to AT LEAST keep a small amount of "well, i guess that could happen.. maybe" in my head. MW2 doesn't do that. The plot is completely destroyed when its no longer believable AT ALL.
 
The biggest fail to the single player is that it could have been so much better. Separate the game into essentially two theaters:

a: Reacting to or preventing Russian terrorist reprisals in the US where you get to be a spec-ops ninja badass in relatively low body count operations.
b: Large conventional battles overseas.

I can think of a half dozen scenarios that would be epic AND believable.

As far as the actual game, Red Dawn is a cult classic because it was a cheesy B-movie and Infinity Ward was just plain stupid to take it as inspiration. The second I saw the mission title "Wolverines!" I knew IW was about to jump the shark.
 
jaegertech said:
As far as the actual game, Red Dawn is a cult classic because it was a cheesy B-movie and Infinity Ward was just plain stupid to take it as inspiration. The second I saw the mission title "Wolverines!" I knew IW had jumped the shark.
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The whole story and presentation is extremely tacky. It looks like an elementary school kid's playtime fantasy. You kill about 100 people for every 10 feet you walk. I don't think there are that many people in the entire city district, let alone armed gunmen. I mean, the number itself is plausible, but the density is just ridiculous.

The whole game kicks off with the airport slaughter, and the first thing I think is why are all these people packed together like a cattlecar? Oh, for slaughter.

Hmmm, so everybody is trying to run away, but the gunmen just sloooowly walk forward. And yet every step of the way is still packed solid with people who for some reason haven't run away from all the gunfire and screaming?

I don't think John Woo movies pack this many mooks. The attempt at creating "action" by sheer volume is just hamfisted and indelicate. "Jumped the shark" sums up the single-player campaign perfectly.

But this game is all about multiplayer anyway, too bad the singleplayer is a write-off. Will check out the multi this weekend.
 
sbtim said:
i hate adventure games and graphics on a console don't impress me that much since I have a PC, so im not sure it would be worth it.
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You obviously haven't played Uncharted 2. :)

Best looking game I've seen in years, PC included.
 
It's essentially First Person Whack-a-mole. You look out, 3 badguys jump out and wave, you shoot them, and then their 30 brothers jump out too to get shot. Round a corner, more of the same. Just a wave of cannon fodder to whack.
 
kelbear - All IW games are like this, even Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault back when the core team was 2015. That style is in their DNA. If you hate that style then at least you know to avoid anything with the Infinity Ward stamp on it. :)
 
RailGunRiz said:
If it's any consolation at all- I ran ahead of the guys you were with at the airport and killed every civilian there before they could be shot at by the "terrorists".. Just saying. :(
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I was pissed when it wouldn't let me do more then a normal walk through most of the airport mission.

I did do my best to kill as many people as possible though.
 
Its funny though, the Uncharted 2 train ride blows away the train ride in Crysis Warhead, both in terms of visuals and execution. This is before we get into how its the best overall single player action game since Half Life 2: Episode 2, just spectacular.

Fanboys of any color amuse me.
 
MW2 graphics are sort of bad compared to a lot of other games out there. The textures are terrible and the lighting can be sort of wonky at times. There are a ton of animation bugs as well.
 
Serpico said:
Yeah, and it looks 1000x better on my 60" Kuro than it does on a shitty compressed Youtube stream. I can make Crysis look like dogshit too if I compressed it to hell.

GTFO
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Please make the water better.
Please make the vegitation come alive.
Please make the graphics look not blend.
Please remove the alising.

The post video of this.
Until then...I am not impressed...like I said, stick to consoles.

And I don't care aobut your 60" 720Pgameplay...
 
Atech said:
Please make the water better.
Please make the vegitation come alive.

The post video of this.
Until then...I am not impressed...like I said, stick to consoles.

And I don't care aobut your 60" 720Pgameplay...
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+1
This.

But then, it's likely to sell beyond belief anyways. Somehow, it will.
 
sbtim said:
MW2 graphics are sort of bad compared to a lot of other games out there. The textures are terrible and the lighting can be sort of wonky at times. There are a ton of animation bugs as well.
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Yet tons of people bought that garbage. I'm glad I have some pretty stupid friends that bought the game b/c I watched/played it (the WHOLE thing) in under 7 hours- that should be a damn expansion pack at best, not a 60 dollar game.
 
the game looks like crap at 1920x1200, with the settings maxed, i cant imagine how bad it looks on consoles
 
Atech said:
Please make the water better.
Please make the vegitation come alive.
Please make the graphics look not blend.
Please remove the alising.

The post video of this.
Until then...I am not impressed...like I said, stick to consoles.

And I don't care aobut your 60" 720Pgameplay...
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After making my post I did a comparison between Uncharted 2 on my 60" Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma and Crysis Warhead on my 24" NEC 2490WUXi H-IPS LCD (as good as it gets in an LCD that size) running smooth on my i7 860/GTX 285 rig at 1920x1200 with settings maxed, just to make sure I wasn't crazy.

Crysis's achievement is that it can render large environments with high fidelity while Uncharted 2 is much more directed. But then again so are games like Half Life 2 and Modern Warfare 2.

And you know what, in the end Uncharted 2 is still the better looking game. In every way.

Sorry dude.
 
Ridiculous and fun story. What did anyone really expect, especially after seeing the teasers/trailers.
 
ATech - I can only assume that your paltry income as an IT professional keeps you locked into a single platform, and that's cool, but don't let it disparage other platforms when they actually have some amazing looking games on them. Unlike you I can compare and contrast both and make my judgements without an sort of silly PC or console fanboy opinions. I own them all and have among the best displays out there, so I don't really care where its coming from.

That you're making unfounded opinions without seeing it for yourself is sad.
 
Raekwon said:
Ridiculous and fun story. What did anyone really expect, especially after seeing the teasers/trailers.
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don't get me wrong, i fully expected Michael Bay, but I wanted to at least give it an honest chance to impress me. Which it didn't.
 
sbtim said:
don't get me wrong, i fully expected Michael Bay, but I wanted to at least give it an honest chance to impress me. Which it didn't.
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It didn't impress me with realism that's for damn sure lol. I had fun though. I enjoyed any part that involved breaching walls for some reason. It did jump around a lot, some parts I really didn't even know why I was there.
 
i need a story or characters that are interesting to really enjoy a game. i finished the single player but ill never go back and play it again...
 
jeremyshaw said:
+1
This.

But then, it's likely to sell beyond belief anyways. Somehow, it will.
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Jeremy - He is talking about Uncharted 2, not MW2. MW2 is a decent looking game, certainly better looking than MW1 or Valve's Source games, but not as good as games like Crysis. Its not as bad as people are making it out to seem, it looks way better than any of the Battlefield games, etc.

Uncharted 2, to get you back on track, is ridiculous, the variety of environments and the quality of the art direction are amazing, and the characters are among the best I've ever seen in a game. It looks incredible.
 
sbtim said:
i need a story or characters that are interesting to really enjoy a game. i finished the single player but ill never go back and play it again...
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Call Of Duty games have never had good story or characters. Infinity Ward comes up with scenarios, puts them in an order to escalate the difficulty and vary the settings, and drapes a story over that last. Its no wonder their stories come out not even half-baked.

Nobody except for Valve and Naughty Dog seem to combine story with action in any meaningful way.
 
Serpico said:
After making my post I did a comparison between Uncharted 2 on my 60" Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma and Crysis Warhead on my 24" NEC 2490WUXi H-IPS LCD (as good as it gets in an LCD that size) running smooth on my i7 860/GTX 285 rig at 1920x1200 with settings maxed, just to make sure I wasn't crazy.

Crysis's achievement is that it can render large environments with high fidelity while Uncharted 2 is much more directed. But then again so are games like Half Life 2 and Modern Warfare 2.

And you know what, in the end Uncharted 2 is still the better looking game. In every way.

Sorry dude.
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You can say til your head turn blue, reality says something else.
Your crackbox GFX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSsqgzb53r0
Crysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsiKAa5GF4
 
Raekwon said:
It didn't impress me with realism that's for damn sure lol. I had fun though. I enjoyed any part that involved breaching walls for some reason. It did jump around a lot, some parts I really didn't even know why I was there.
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The breaching walls and doors were good times, I always looked forward to those parts.
 
metal gear does a pretty good job with combining story and action. and the graphics in MGS4 were better than MW2 by a long shot.
 
Atech said:
You can say til your head turn blue, reality says something else.
Your crackbox GFX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSsqgzb53r0
Crysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsiKAa5GF4
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And you can keep throwing up shitty Youtube clips until you're blue in the face. Compressed Flash video doesn't tell anybody shit. Looking at them on the displays in person, both among the best plasma and LCDs out there so that neither platform is being shortchanged, says everything.

You fail.
 
sbtim said:
metal gear does a pretty good job with combining story and action. and the graphics in MGS4 were better than MW2 by a long shot.
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MGS4 had better graphics than MW2, better than most other games out there to be honest (watch for ATech to make another stupid "console sucks!" post), but it didn't do anything as far as actually combining story with action. I dunno, I don't consider throwing a 40 minute cutscene after 15 minutes of action "combining", but that's just me. :) Valve with Half Life and Naughty Dog with Uncharted seem to be the only ones to really get integrating the advancement of plot and story and character within the action itself.

MGS4 definitely did look better though. On topic with the main thread, it is probably the only game out there with a more ridiculous story than MW2. :)
 
Serpico said:
And you can keep throwing up shitty Youtube clips until you're blue in the face. Compressed Flash video doesn't tell anybody shit. Looking at them on the displays in person, both among the best plasma and LCDs out there so that neither platform is being shortchanged, says everything.

You fail.
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So you claim that Uncharted 2 videos compress worse than Crysis videos?

Besides, you do know that 720P is low res, don't you?
 
Atech said:
So you claim that Uncharted 2 videos compress worse than Crysis videos?

Besides, you do know that 720P is low res, don't you?
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Quality of compression absolutely comes into play. I can make a high quality source look worse than a poorer quality clip very easily.

720p is a lower res than 1080p, but it is one of the HD resolutions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video#High-definition_display_resolutions

Also, 720p is upscaled to 1080p on those displays, and finally, you are looking at those on a 60" display from 8-10 feet away. It isn't like a computer display where you are only two feet away. Pixel density matters more the closer you are to the display.

Native 1080p would obviously look better, like if I had an HTPC with my same PC specs plugged into my 60" plasma, but as it stands it still looks objectively good.

I'm having a hard time finding single player clips that are direct feed on Youtube (everyone uploads stupid multiplayer where the quality is dropped down), but even off of an LCD screen on a camcorder these look better than pretty much any PC games I've played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYUR-jsdUa8#t=01m35s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYUR-jsdUa8#t=05m15s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYUR-jsdUa8#t=01m00s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYUR-jsdUa8#t=03m05s

Honestly, better than any of the Valve games, better than Battlefield, and I LOVE those games. I'm not a huge Crysis fan but they are good looking, but in terms of variety of setting and overall quality I'll go with Uncharted 2 as well. Yeah, again, better than anything I've seen on any platform in years, PC included.

Shit, now I want to play it again.
 
I missed this before.

Atech said:
Your crackbox GFX:
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You assume Uncharted 2 is on the XBox. Its actually a PS3 exclusive, but based on your posts it seems that all consoles are one in the same, might as well all be the Wii in your head. :rolleyes:
 
I'm a firm believer in the graphical superiority of the PC, but that isn't to say consoles can't look good. I thought MW2 looked great and so does Uncharted 2. I'm sure MW2 looks better on the PC with the appropriate hardware, but that's a given. The PC just has more variables that can effect GFX quality.
 
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