So the GTX260 is better than the 4870 now?

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After reading some reviews on the GTX260 216 core with the 180 series drivers it looks like its a better buy than the 4870 now. Its cheaper and faster. I hope Ati can counter with something....
 
Its always been better from what I have read. The big reason why some considered the 4850 better is similar performance for a much lower price.

edit: Whoops. I thought I read 4850.
 
Nah, the gtx 260 was better then the 4850, but never the 4870.

I can attest though, the newest drivers really make my gtx 260 sing.
 
Depends who you are talking to. Nvidia guy will tell you yes, the GTX260 is better. An ATI guy will probably tell you that the 4870 is better. A neutral guy might say they are both good.
 
The 4870 is a badass card...it's just not consistant which is annoying. It excels in maximum framerate and average framerate but it suffers greatly from minimum framerate. It's pretty annoying. Like why do i get 21fps while staring at the ground while outside of rivet city while I get 60fps in most other places?
 
CaptainSoble said:
Depends who you are talking to. Nvidia guy will tell you yes, the GTX260 is better. An ATI guy will probably tell you that the 4870 is better. A neutral guy might say they are both good.
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i would kinda agree to that, although I have always been a nvidia person and all ATi can do to fight back nvidia cards is to dual sandwich gpu their new 4870x2 series:(
 
Matthew Kane said:
i would kinda agree to that, although I have always been a nvidia person and all ATi can do to fight back nvidia cards is to dual sandwich gpu their new 4870x2 series:(
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Why does it matter? nVIdia can't even do that beucase their GPU produces too much heat. It's one thing if you can also get a GX2 version of the 280, then you'd have a point, but they can't, so you really don't. Doesn't matter if it's 1, 2 , 5 or 10 gpu's on a single card. If it works and does the job and still uses a single slot then who cares.
 
Please don't reply in my threads or reply to my post at all. 80-90'C for a 4870x2 under load is pretty hot still. But still numbers and quantity still counts.
 
Before the 180 drivers:

4870 > GTX 260
4850 > 9800GTX

After the 180 drivers:

GTX 260 > 4870
9800GTX > 4850

The 8800/9800GT is actually pretty close to the 4850 in performance now.
 
jbz7890 said:
Before the 180 drivers:

4870 > GTX 260
4850 > 9800GTX

After the 180 drivers

GTX 260 > 4870
9800GTX > 4850

The 8800/9800GT is actually pretty close to the 4850 in performance now.
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The current generation 9800gtx + is able to go pass the 4850. Along with drivers after 180...performance is even better.
 
Matthew Kane said:
The current generation 9800gtx + is able to go pass the 4850. Along with drivers after 180...performance is even better.
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The 9800 GTX+ was actually a little bit better than the 4850 before the 180 drivers. Now it smokes the 4850.
 
zod96 said:
After reading some reviews on the GTX260 216 core with the 180 series drivers it looks like its a better buy than the 4870 now. Its cheaper and faster. I hope Ati can counter with something....
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well I am going to try and interject a (hopefully) unbiased opinion here, it isn't. but the old and new GTX260 are outclassing the 4870 512mb but if you go read the last several game reviews you will see that the GTX 260 216 core really didn't do anything except help some canned benchmarks. more often then not the stock 4870 1gb will do every so slightly better then the GTX260 216 on an average. in a couple of games it blows it away. (you can reverse that, think crysis) At the end of the day the only thing the 24 cores did was raise the price. Again go look at the last couple of game reviews. the 4870 512mb need to go the way of the GTX260 192, IE clearance. 4870 1gb need to drop as well but as Nvidia is inflating (not a good way of phrasing this but I can't think of better) it can command a slightly higher price. The board partners (you listening BFG?) need to lower the prices of some of there overclocked models, cards that can beat a 4870 1gb.
 
I would take the GTX260 over the 1GB 4870 as the latest reports of gameplay show the GTX260 is better.
Sadly the cost in the UK is stupidly inflated so they arent getting my money yet (£205 for the cheapest GTX260 192SP, £220 for the 216SP)
I'm on an 8800GT and still get the graphics goodness in nearly all games at 1080p but without AA in many, no real incentive to pay that kinda money.
Hopefully the die shrink and price drops after Xmas will make prices more reasonable.
 
Matthew Kane said:
Please don't reply in my threads or reply to my post at all. 80-90'C for a 4870x2 under load is pretty hot still. But still numbers and quantity still counts.
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You'll have to put me on ignore, because that's just not going to happen. Sure, it's hot, never said it wasn't. How hot do you think a GTX280 would be if there were two of them on a single PCB? The answer is TOO hot, that's why they don't exist.
 
The 4870 512MB should be compared to the GTX260 while the GTX260 Core216 should be compared to the 4870 1GB, IMO. This is because both are a small refresh of the original cards that launched last summer.

I think it depends on the game, however if you look at a review like this one:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415&p=5
The 4870 wins in most games.

The 180 drivers improve performance up to 10% at 2560x1600 but are sometimes slower at lower resolutions:
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3462&p=4

Drivers should not be an issue. From what I've read, most ATI driver problems affect people who run the 4870X2. I have not had any significant driver issues with my 4850. Certainly no BSODs or crashes that could be attributed to the Catalyst drivers.
 
**/ sarcasm on

I suggest you to wait until new Nvidia 181 drivers. I'm sure gtx260 will beat even 4870X2 with easy and 9800 GTX+ will beat ordinary 4870. Try to imagine what forceware 182 will do :D

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gescom said:
**/ sarcasm on

I suggest you to wait until new Nvidia 181 drivers. I'm sure gtx260 will beat even 4870X2 with easy and 9800 GTX+ will beat ordinary 4870. Try to imagine what forceware 182 will do :D

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You're too optimistic. I don't think that will happen until the 183 drivers ;)
 
What really matter is the real world gameplay, not canned benchmarks. I remember when the HD 2900 was getting better in canned benchmarks with newer drivers but in real world gameplay, it doesn't show any difference at all. Since most review sites are using canned benchmarks, I really doubt that a "magic" driver can bring out more real world peformance from a 2 year old graphic architecture, the GT200 is just a larger version of G80.
 
JimmiG said:
The 4870 512MB should be compared to the GTX260 while the GTX260 Core216 should be compared to the 4870 1GB, IMO. This is because both are a small refresh of the original cards that launched last summer.

I think it depends on the game, however if you look at a review like this one:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415&p=5
The 4870 wins in most games.

The 180 drivers improve performance up to 10% at 2560x1600 but are sometimes slower at lower resolutions:
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3462&p=4

Drivers should not be an issue. From what I've read, most ATI driver problems affect people who run the 4870X2. I have not had any significant driver issues with my 4850. Certainly no BSODs or crashes that could be attributed to the Catalyst drivers.
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The old GTX 260 is right there with the new version, the HD4870 512mb is a horrible buy with the old GTX 260 pricing the same or less.

Old GTX 260 is right behind the new version... most of the time it's 1-2 fps difference.

HD4870 512mb <M<O<N<S<T<E<R<K<I<L<L< GTX 260 192core < GTX 260 216core = HD4870 1gb
 
The performance of the 512MB cards depend entirely on the game and resolution/AA settings. As long as all the data can fit into 512MB of VRAM, performance is virtually identical, but as soon as a game uses more than 512MB, performance tanks on the 512MB cards while the 1GB cards are barely affected.I agree about the GTX260 being a better buy than the 4870 512MB at this point however, mostly because you get an extra 384MB video RAM for free.
 
Matthew Kane said:
Please don't reply in my threads or reply to my post at all. 80-90'C for a 4870x2 under load is pretty hot still. But still numbers and quantity still counts.
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The only reason why the 4870x2 is seeing 80c temps in games like Crysis is because
of the way the fan/heatsink was designed. The 80c load temps is on the hottest gpu...the one closer to the back plate that is basically getting all the hot air from the other GPU. If the 4870x2 had a dual fan design that evenly dissipated the heat off of both gpus, then the temps would be a lot better. Problem with that though is it would dump all that heat in the case. The GTX260 still gets very hot in Crysis. My GTX260 hit 75c in Crysis. That's with the fan pretty high to begin with. Too loud for my tastes. Once it got to 75c the fan would throttle to maintain 75c temps. So as far as temps go, gt200 series seem to do a little better at idle on air...but at load in crysis, it's just as bad if not worse than the 4870x2 in my experience. Both cards need to have the fan manually set to see good temps in Crysis. So as far as temps go, the GT200 series doesn't really have an advantage IMO if you're on air.

There is a simple solution though. Watercooling. My 4870x2 Idle temps are 21-26c depending on ambient temps, and 31-35c in Crysis after a couple of hours.
 
i was keen on the GTX260 until i the only models i could find in stock where oveclocked models at more than a $80 above what i paid for a 4870 1GB, NZ market is weird as the 4870's have always been cheaper by a long way over the GTX260's. Hoping ATi pull out a driver with increased performance, if not it's still a fast enough card for now :0
 
I bought a 4870 512MB when it came out because at the time the GTX 260 was still over $400. It's a different story today and you would be foolish to pickup a 4870 512MB over a GTX 260. I'm looking at picking up a GTX 280 (from EVGA or BFG) and stepping up if something else comes along within the next three months.
 
jorojr said:
I bought a 4870 512MB when it came out because at the time the GTX 260 was still over $400. It's a different story today and you would be foolish to pickup a 4870 512MB over a GTX 260. I'm looking at picking up a GTX 280 (from EVGA or BFG) and stepping up if something else comes along within the next three months.
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unless you get a deal it isn't worth the premium. I am quite happy with mine but right now if I was getting a mainstream card it would be the 4870 1gb or the 4870 X2 for the high end. it just isn't worth a 100 dollars more then the 4870 1gb, At the end of the day I am only around 10% faster with the way I like to play (I like to max AA and play at 2.3mp,) on a 4mp screen this might change but for the rest of use I don't see the hundred dollars being worth it. when I got mine I was able to get for only 60 dollars more then what a 4870 512mb (no 1gb) were at the time. made it a hell of a deal.
 
from the performance benchmark on 180 driver..

some benchmark actually shows a lower performance compare to the older driver..

also old GTX 260 have the same price tag as 4870 now..

With most of the game I experience, 4870 and GTX 260 have a similar performance in game, but most of the time 4870 shows a clear lead over GTX 260 on fps, the only problem I had is 512 MB on high resolution does have a dramatically lose to GTX 260, but that is only when AA is enable, and beside the game call "Crysis"...

I have sold my GTX 260 awhile ago before the price drops like crazy, and I am glad I sold it and bought a pair of 4870 512..

Also wait and see how 8.12 driver improve my overall performance..

then 4870 should show a clear lead over GTX 260 ..

I am not going to argue GTX 260 or 4870 is better..

but I am glad that I got my 4870 CF setup and sold my old pair of GTX 260 ...
 
The GTX260 was always better than the (512mb) 4870. The reason it was mostly ignored was because it cost $100+ more than the HD4870. Now that it's cheap, there's no reason to get a 512mb 4870.
 
4870 512mb, on average and usually, costs less than the GTX 260 216 and 192 too. I got my 4870 with a corsair 4gb DDR2 800 combo = $259 - $50 in rebates. There are 4870s on Newegg for $200 after MIR right now

I remember in the past people used to say that if a card was getting beat b/c of drivers, but otherwise was much more powerful, that the card might be a good buy because it provided the potential to be much faster, if and when new and better drivers were released

Anyways, supporting ATI also supports AMD. I think even intel fans would be dissapointed to see a competitor die out, and we all know how close AMD is to that
 
Can someone link me to a review showing the cards with the new 180 drivers? Thanks :)
 
I ran crossfired 4870s and got sick of games crashing because ATI cant make a driver thats worth a shit. So i went back to the green team and havent had any issues with SLI GTX260s that i did with my crossfire setup. And next week once i get my x58 and burn this piece of shit nvidia board, i should have 0 issues.
 
I hope Ati can counter with something....
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<clears throat> Yes, it is of the utmost importance in my life that ATI makes a competing product. I have been feeling quite ill since the 180 drivers. Life has seemingly lost its meaning.
 
aZn_plyR said:
The old GTX 260 is right there with the new version, the HD4870 512mb is a horrible buy with the old GTX 260 pricing the same or less.

Old GTX 260 is right behind the new version... most of the time it's 1-2 fps difference.

HD4870 512mb <M<O<N<S<T<E<R<K<I<L<L< GTX 260 192core < GTX 260 216core = HD4870 1gb IMO
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Haha, you're an idiot. How does "IMO" opinion fit in with facts? Either a card is faster than another, or it isn't. You can't opinion speeds
 
Tylerdurdened said:
Haha, you're an idiot. How does "IMO" opinion fit in with facts? Either a card is faster than another, or it isn't. You can't opinion speeds
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InnocentNoobie said:
I was going to say the same thing to him, and then I saw his user name and thought, 'oh' :rolleyes:
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Why are you noobie kids crying? It was early in the morning and a typo. Nice job pointing that out though, here's a fucking cookie.

O and yeah Tri-9800GTX beats a single 4870 1gb you dumbass ;if you're gonna be calling names.
 
aZn_plyR said:
Why are you noobie kids crying? It was early in the morning and a typo. Nice job pointing that out though, here's a fucking cookie.

O and yeah Tri-9800GTX beats a single 4870 1gb you dumbass ;if you're gonna be calling names.
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What does a question I asked have to do with your magical powers of increasing GPU speeds with your opinions?

I guess I'm the dumb one for not having 3 9800GTX's at my disposal :( I'm sorry my lord, azn plyr, please forgive my ignorance! :eek:

and "LOLUMAD"?
 
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