iPhone Ad vs. iPhone Reality

*Awaits the inevitable "mine does it as fast as the ad, or faster" post. :eek:
 
Eh, its fast enough for me to listen to DI.FM over the internet anywhere in the city (except subway, duh), and thats why I love it.
 
You guys are overlooking the fact that the iphone still looks great even while loading!
 
Geno750 said:
Lol. However, its apps like these that keep me happy about my purchase.

http://www.dynolicious.com/
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roffles. There were several people testing that on the VW forum I'm on, and it doesn't really work that well.. it said they had over 500hp when they dyno'd at 250hp, showed them running the quarter mile 2 seconds faster, etc. I wouldn't trust a 10 cent Chinese accelerometer built into a cell phone anyway. :p
 
The only thing that bugs me about the iPhone's performance is the fuckin' Contacts list. I only have about 60 in there at the moment, and loading the contacts is just painful.

The strange thing about it is that it recalls the last used position. So, if you scroll the M's, make a call and exit, it'll dump you into the M's again if you head back to the contacts list. Great! And it typically loads that up pretty much instantly...until you find yourself waiting for the capability to scroll through your contacts. Four seconds is a pretty typical wait time for me.

The Google App can search through the index faster than the contacts list can load just the names of sixty contacts in alphabetical order. What the hell, Apple?
 
Fucking LOL, that guy is delusional, you can't even get speeds like that on Wifi. Jeez, did he cry over toy commercials being misleading when he was a kid?

There's plenty to complain about with the 2.0 firmware, mainly stability and speed compared to 1.4 and prior, but this?
 
Well that's obvious, they digitally faked the fireworks for the opening ceremony too. lol.
 
Serpico said:
Fucking LOL, that guy is delusional, you can't even get speeds like that on Wifi. Jeez, did he cry over toy commercials being misleading when he was a kid?

There's plenty to complain about with the 2.0 firmware, mainly stability and speed compared to 1.4 and prior, but this?
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There's misleading, and then there's Apple. Apple takes misleading to a whole new level. But you're right. Considering this popular conception, the guy should've known better than to believe an Apple commercial. I sure as hell do.
 
In the actual commercial I am pretty sure you see a disclaimer at the bottom like, "actual speeds may vary due to yada yada whateva", in most places in North America.
 
Azhar said:
There's misleading, and then there's Apple. Apple takes misleading to a whole new level. But you're right. Considering this popular conception, the guy should've known better than to believe an Apple commercial. I sure as hell do.
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Since when has Apple blatantly lied about the capabilities of their products?

Either way, as Alex said earlier, do you make a two minute commercial (all that stuff can be done in about a minute, btw), or do you condense the time of the events to show off its features? This is no more misleading than other ads that demonstrate product features. It is incredibly naive to think that this would happen that fast in reality considering that an average desktop with broadband access won't be that fast, let alone a cell phone browsing over wifi or 3G.

And it isn't like it is slow either; I compared Google Maps on the old EDGE iPhone against the 3G Helio Ocean and the iPhone was much faster in returning map info, directions, etc, which is a testament to the software more than anything. The 3G version is obviously much faster than that. If he had demonstrated that the 3G iPhone was a step back in performance from the EDGE version, then we'd have something to talk about.

This guy is just being really stupid, its an ad for chrissake.
 
its a shitty ad


the iphone takes a long time just to render simple web pages. even over wifi, sites like cnn.com with a lot going on are slow and laggy. mobile safari is a pos, its slow, laggy, crashes easliy. wtn browser replacement.
 
Martyr said:
its a shitty ad

the iphone takes a long time just to render simple web pages. even over wifi, sites like cnn.com with a lot going on are slow and laggy. mobile safari is a pos, its slow, laggy, crashes easliy. wtn browser replacement.
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Hear hear. Firmware 2.1 or whatever needs to arrive STAT.
 
I'm with Serpico on this one. The guy that made the video needs to get a life.

What's next? An in-depth expose on how Rice Crispies don't actually Snap, Crackle and Pop as clearly or loudly as you hear in the advert?
 
Serpico said:
Since when has Apple blatantly lied about the capabilities of their products?

Either way, as Alex said earlier, do you make a two minute commercial (all that stuff can be done in about a minute, btw), or do you condense the time of the events to show off its features? This is no more misleading than other ads that demonstrate product features. It is incredibly naive to think that this would happen that fast in reality considering that an average desktop with broadband access won't be that fast, let alone a cell phone browsing over wifi or 3G.

And it isn't like it is slow either; I compared Google Maps on the old EDGE iPhone against the 3G Helio Ocean and the iPhone was much faster in returning map info, directions, etc, which is a testament to the software more than anything. The 3G version is obviously much faster than that. If he had demonstrated that the 3G iPhone was a step back in performance from the EDGE version, then we'd have something to talk about.

This guy is just being really stupid, its an ad for chrissake.
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It is extremely misleading. The entire point of the ad is to show the speed of the applications and 3G. It's not to show off the features. The voice specifically repeats over and over how it's twice as fast, and that might be the case as EDGE is a true dog, but the speed aspect is extremely important to the ads message. Yet you're dismissing it entirely and acting as if the ad is about showing off features. This is the bullshit that Apple fans constantly spew. When someone shows Apple's bullshit they have people come to the rescue and defend them.

Again, with an ad specifically about speed showing misleading levels of performance it is a pretty big deal. It's Apple's modus operandi to be misleading about their products.
 
Skrying said:
It is extremely misleading. The entire point of the ad is to show the speed of the applications and 3G. It's not to show off the features. The voice specifically repeats over and over how it's twice as fast, and that might be the case as EDGE is a true dog, but the speed aspect is extremely important to the ads message. Yet you're dismissing it entirely and acting as if the ad is about showing off features. This is the bullshit that Apple fans constantly spew. When someone shows Apple's bullshit they have people come to the rescue and defend them.

Again, with an ad specifically about speed showing misleading levels of performance it is a pretty big deal. It's Apple's modus operandi to be misleading about their products.
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That's how I saw it.
 
Skrying said:
It is extremely misleading. The entire point of the ad is to show the speed of the applications and 3G. It's not to show off the features. The voice specifically repeats over and over how it's twice as fast, and that might be the case as EDGE is a true dog, but the speed aspect is extremely important to the ads message. Yet you're dismissing it entirely and acting as if the ad is about showing off features. This is the bullshit that Apple fans constantly spew. When someone shows Apple's bullshit they have people come to the rescue and defend them.

Again, with an ad specifically about speed showing misleading levels of performance it is a pretty big deal. It's Apple's modus operandi to be misleading about their products.
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Did you miss this?

GORANKAR said:
In the actual commercial I am pretty sure you see a disclaimer at the bottom like, "actual speeds may vary due to yada yada whateva", in most places in North America.
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I sure haven't. Again, ridiculous. I'd say more but Finkus said it better than I ever could.

Finkus said:
What's next? An in-depth expose on how Rice Crispies don't actually Snap, Crackle and Pop as clearly or loudly as you hear in the advert?
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Hell, maybe its because I take no advertising seriously. Maybe I'm totally in the wrong and I need to be taking all of the claims I see on TV and magazine advertisements more seriously like the Europeans do, I dunno.

I don't get the uproar here, I just see naiveté from some fool with a Mac who decided to post about it on Youtube.
 
Disclaimers are bullshit, and I'll always support that. They just give companies legal room to show misleading ads without being sued. If you want to support that behavior than be my guest but at least admit you like being screwed over by companies.
 
I don't trust any advertising, but I also don't support them putting out misleading ads. You on the other hand don't have an issue with it apparently.
 
Skrying said:
I don't trust any advertising, but I also don't support them putting out misleading ads. You on the other hand don't have an issue with it apparently.
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Considering that the ad showed performance that was faster than standard broadband performance, no, this is so far out of the realm of reality that all that matters to me is the spirit of the ad, which is that 3G performance is faster than EDGE (and again, disclaimer, just like you see with any car ad). If the 3G iPhone had slower cellular internet performance than the prior EDGE model, that would be serious cause for uproar. This is kids stuff.

It is the standard ad BS you see which will continue until the end of time. Part of my business has to to with advertising, so I've seen and been a part of exaggerating for the public many times. So long as the ad communicates the basic idea of the product, great, whatever. I don't expect my Crest whitening toothpaste to get my teeth as white as I saw on TV, nor so I expect my food to look as rich or vibrant as the picture in the magazine ad makes it out to be.
 
You should expect it though, and until a ad shows realistic levels of performance people should complain. It doesn't matter if we're not expectant of an ads level of BS, that shouldn't be the case.
 
Skrying said:
Disclaimers are bullshit, and I'll always support that. They just give companies legal room to show misleading ads without being sued. If you want to support that behavior than be my guest but at least admit you like being screwed over by companies.
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So long as the product is good then it doesn't really matter (I could say that I think its great but I'll just post this Shacknews thread from yesterday since I obviously suffer from RDF: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17640363#itemanchor_17640363 ).

To make my point more clear, when Jobs first demonstrated the iPhone 3G, they did a live 3G download of a high content webpage timed against EDGE and wifi. The wifi did the page in 17 seconds, 3G was 18 seconds, and EDGE was short of a minute. Those are absolutely realistic numbers. Had they, in a live presentation, faked exaggerated download speeds, that would be cause for uproar.

Are you getting this wound up over a frigging 30 second television ad? Really?
 
TV ads are just one point of the many where people gladly accept misleading information. It's one of the biggest issues that face humans, so yes I take it rather seriously. The fact that you don't worries me, the fact that you've actually worked to make such misleading ads makes me sick to my stomach, and the fact that no one cares for it to change makes me down right sad. Treating such instances as minor is what causes them to build up together and create massive problems. People like of care for the details is a very very scary thing.
 
Skrying said:
You should expect it though, and until a ad shows realistic levels of performance people should complain. It doesn't matter if we're not expectant of an ads level of BS, that shouldn't be the case.
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Nothing is ideal and something like this certainly isn't worth getting wound up about, not when there are more serious problems in the world. Every single ad lives and breathes in exaggeration and embellishment, same as TV and film, and it is never ever going away. The idiot who wasted an afternoon to make that video (he made Stickies subtitles!) and posted it on Youtube, well, wow, what can I say? What's next from him?

HAY, WHEN I POPPED OPEN A BUD LIGHT A BUNCH OF CHICKS DIDN'T SHOW UP, WTF?
 
Vorazan said:
... because definition of advertisement is the truth.
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ad·ver·tise·ment Audio Help /[ad-ver-tahyz-muhnt, ad-vur-tis-muhnt, -tiz-]
–noun 1. a paid announcement, as of goods for sale, in newspapers or magazines, on radio or television, etc.
2. a public notice, esp. in print.
3. the action of making generally known; a calling to the attention of the public: The news of this event will receive wide advertisement.

(sorry, had to :p )

As a former 1st gen EDGE iPhone user and now a 3G iphone user, I will say 3G doesn't knock EDGE's socks, off, but it's much much better.
 
Skrying said:
TV ads are just one point of the many where people gladly accept misleading information. It's one of the biggest issues that face humans, so yes I take it rather seriously. The fact that you don't worries me, the fact that you've actually worked to make such misleading ads makes me sick to my stomach, and the fact that no one cares for it to change makes me down right sad. Treating such instances as minor is what causes them to build up together and create massive problems. People like of care for the details is a very very scary thing.
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I don't watch television. I can't control how other people respond to what they are fed by the media, but I should hope that they would know better and use their judgement when deciding how to spend their money. Pretty much everyone I know in my personal life does, but I also understand that people who don't know WTF can be misled. Ads only make up one part of my business, but I won't lie that it is appealing that they offer the best day rates in the film industry (better than movies, better than TV, better than music videos). The only place I really draw the line are cigarette ads, otherwise I've worked on accounts for ESPN, Microsoft, Apple, the BBC, DirectTV, THQ, Zyrtec, G4, Carl's Jr/Hardees (that actually gets to me since I'm very much into health), on and on, you name it. I'm also a full-blown capitalist, and in cases like that it is just a job and I separate it from everything else, belief systems included (usually leads to gallows humor on the set).

Sorry if that makes you sick to your stomach. :)
 
I find sites like HardOCP load a lot faster when you use ad-blocking software.

- APPL stockholder who thinks my post is at least as funny as Steve's constant Apple bashing. :rolleyes:
 
uclajd said:
I find sites like HardOCP load a lot faster when you use ad-blocking software.

- APPL stockholder who thinks my post is at least as funny as Steve's constant Apple bashing. :rolleyes:
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I smell the ban hammer.
 
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