Not happy with my EVGA 8800GTS 320

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Timbowens

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So I got this card thinking I'd be sitting pretty for UT3 and Crysis (obviously not maxing by any means, but playing them decently) and its ok, but it isn't really even that impressive with older games.

I'm playing stalker and can't really go above 1024 X 768 and medium settings before it gets way too choppy. It maxes out Far Cry every thing on high, 1900 X 1200 but that games is years old.

It plays CS:S maxed OKish, but certain maps the frames drop really bad. When I do a stress test I get about 195, but like I said, certain maps rape it. It plays the Medal of Honor demo ok @1900 X 1200 with the settings on medium so...I dunno.

I got in the neighborhood of 12,800 in 3Dmark06, so is it just Stalker and certain maps?

How do you guys think this card will handle Crysis or UT3? Should I ditch it now in favor of the 640mb version, or maybe even the GTX? Would spending another $200 on the GTX be really worth it?

I never use to really care about playing @ 1900 X 1200 but now that I do I like it.
 
Anyone on these forums could've told you that 320MB was not going to be enough for 1900x1200. At that resolution you're looking at an 8800 GTX or Ultra, or ideally, GTX's or Ultras in SLI in order to maintain reasonable framerates. If you want to play at that res you need to sell that card for a small loss and buy something with more power.
 
Timbowens said:
So I got this card thinking I'd be sitting pretty for UT3 and Crysis (obviously not maxing by any means, but playing them decently) and its ok, but it isn't really even that impressive with older games.

I'm playing stalker and can't really go above 1024 X 768 and medium settings before it gets way too choppy. It maxes out Far Cry every thing on high, 1900 X 1200 but that games is years old.

It plays CS:S maxed OKish, but certain maps the frames drop really bad. When I do a stress test I get about 195, but like I said, certain maps rape it. It plays the Medal of Honor demo ok @1900 X 1200 with the settings on medium so...I dunno.

I got in the neighborhood of 12,800 in 3Dmark06, so is it just Stalker and certain maps?

How do you guys think this card will handle Crysis or UT3? Should I ditch it now in favor of the 640mb version, or maybe even the GTX? Would spending another $200 on the GTX be really worth it?

I never use to really care about playing @ 1900 X 1200 but now that I do I like it.
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your stalker isnt patched properly.
I use 1280x1024 on a x1900 allinwonder. I have a 2.2ghz dual core amd, 2 gigs ram. I play it FINE! only at the very end is it crapping out. I just installled 1.00004 or whatever it is called and also:

http://www.thefloatingpoint.org

go there, get the latest update. it smooth out play immensely. 320 880gts will max it out for most maps.
 
if you got the "811" model is the weakest clock of them all. like mine. but i got a nice overclock out with no temp increase using riva tuner. it gained me 1000 points in 3dmark06.
 
i had a evga 8800GTS640 for a while, ran it on my 2407WFP. the reason i bought it was because in CS:S i get fps drops with lots of action on screen, mostly in deathmatch servers only and sometimes in gun game servers (depends on how many people/map). even with the GTS640, i experienced the same thing. i played around with ingame settings and such but still no luck. so i sold her since i mostly play CS:S and it didn't help any. it can be a number of things for me, ie. cpu or just internet connection but for now, i'll just stay away from those type of servers and just stick to normal ones running texture maps.

i would like to know if 8800GTX owners could tell me what they get in CS:S deathmatch servers with 20 so people in them.
 
my 320 plays everything great maxed at 1680x1050

bioshock, r6-vegas,grawf 2, moh-airborne demo 16af and supersmapling turned for everything.

it could be server lag or other player lag u are experencing

but i will agree with everyone else that a 640 or gtx or ultra would be way better for that res.
 
silent-circuit said:
Anyone on these forums could've told you that 320MB was not going to be enough for 1900x1200. At that resolution you're looking at an 8800 GTX or Ultra, or ideally, GTX's or Ultras in SLI in order to maintain reasonable framerates. If you want to play at that res you need to sell that card for a small loss and buy something with more power.
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You need to hold your horses, memory size isn't directly porportional to resolution. To put that ram to better use, turn down the texture density (quality). Another thing that will significantly up your performance is an increase in memory bus speed.

plac said:
if you got the "811" model is the weakest clock of them all. like mine. but i got a nice overclock out with no temp increase using riva tuner. it gained me 1000 points in 3dmark06.
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I call shinanagins.

and im going to be the first to say, your performance is too low:

whats the rest of system specs (include the PSU).

edit: oh and Timb, if you still havn't ordered that tunique tower, dont, get the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, and strap on a fan that pumps alot of air. It'l be more expensive, but its the best you can get for air.
 
MrWizard6600 said:
You need to hold your horses, memory size isn't directly porportional to resolution. To put that ram to better use, turn down the texture density (quality). Another thing that will significantly up your performance is an increase in memory bus speed.



I call shinanagins.

and im going to be the first to say, your performance is too low:

whats the rest of system specs (include the PSU).

edit: oh and Timb, if you still havn't ordered that tunique tower, dont, get the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, and strap on a fan that pumps alot of air. It'l be more expensive, but its the best you can get for air.
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No I haven't gotten it yet, I'm running with the side off of my case. The drops in temps across the board is amazing with the side off.

The specs for my rig are in my sig except for my PSU because it is total junk. Problem solved though as I ordered a H520 which, according to the Fedex website, is on the way to my front door today. :D

I guess I'll have to sell my GTS and go for the GTX or Ultra. I just don't know though since there might be a new card coming out.
 
MrWizard6600 said:
You need to hold your horses, memory size isn't directly porportional to resolution. To put that ram to better use, turn down the texture density (quality). Another thing that will significantly up your performance is an increase in memory bus speed.
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At no point did I say that it was. There is, however, a relationship, and anyone saying otherwise is trying to fool themselves. AA and AF do take more video memory. So does running at higher resolutions. So does running higher detail textures, as you said. Sure, you can turn down any number of things and get acceptable performance after a while... or you can sell the card to someone's who's display and expectations are better suited to it, and get something that will let you avoid the bulk of these compromises.

OP: What case are you using? If you get massive temp drops with the side off you have serious airflow issues.
 
aiya said:
i had a evga 8800GTS640 for a while, ran it on my 2407WFP. the reason i bought it was because in CS:S i get fps drops with lots of action on screen, mostly in deathmatch servers only and sometimes in gun game servers (depends on how many people/map). even with the GTS640, i experienced the same thing. i played around with ingame settings and such but still no luck. so i sold her since i mostly play CS:S and it didn't help any. it can be a number of things for me, ie. cpu or just internet connection but for now, i'll just stay away from those type of servers and just stick to normal ones running texture maps.

i would like to know if 8800GTX owners could tell me what they get in CS:S deathmatch servers with 20 so people in them.
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When I do fire up CS:S (which is not that often anymore) and play. I max all the settings and play at 19x12, I usually pull in around 35-40fps on one video card, 70-80fps when I run the game in SLI.
 
MrWizard6600 said:
You need to hold your horses, memory size isn't directly porportional to resolution.
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Memory usage is partially proportional to resolution. Increasing resolution and bit depth requires that more memory be allocated to buffers (yeah, and there are more than one). Enabling triple-buffering adds another frame buffer. At 1920x1200x32-bit, a full-frame buffer is nearly nine megs. With vsync on and triple-buffering enabled, you're talking about ~27 megs of memory solely dedicated to frame buffers, and that's not factoring in MSAA, accumulation buffers and so on. Adding MSAA/SSAA and AF means you're losing more memory, and these are also proportional to resolution.
 
Timbowens said:
So I got this card thinking I'd be sitting pretty for UT3 and Crysis (obviously not maxing by any means, but playing them decently) and its ok, but it isn't really even that impressive with older games.

I got in the neighborhood of 12,800 in 3Dmark06, so is it just Stalker and certain maps?

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Lies with you same specs, you won't even get 12,800 3d mark 06 with a gtx stock and when i say i've done research i mean at least 30 sites and personal experience so dun try argue wif me about overclocked gts, most gts 640 can go is about 11,000 max if ur lucky on some super overclocked system, but normal 3d mark 06 for a 320 gts is about 8000
 
neosin said:
Lies with you same specs, you won't even get 12,800 3d mark 06 with a gtx stock and when i say i've done research i mean at least 30 sites and personal experience so dun try argue wif me about overclocked gts, most gts 640 can go is about 11,000 max if ur lucky on some super overclocked system, but normal 3d mark 06 for a 320 gts is about 8000
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He's running a quad core at 3.1Ghz and an OC'd 8800 GTS... while on the high side, those number aren't impossible and probably aren't 'lies'. Calm down.
 
neosin said:
Lies with you same specs, you won't even get 12,800 3d mark 06 with a gtx stock and when i say i've done research i mean at least 30 sites and personal experience so dun try argue wif me about overclocked gts, most gts 640 can go is about 11,000 max if ur lucky on some super overclocked system, but normal 3d mark 06 for a 320 gts is about 8000
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lol every thread I open today is neosin acting tough. You need to chill out man. Maybe he typed a number wrong? Or maybe that IS his score and you should try not to attack him. Don't mess "wif" a quad-core.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there is another flagship nvidia card to replace the Ultra coming out this year. Aren't the new G92 cards coming out in November mid-range cards? So to address Timbowens concerns, if you buy a GTX or Ultra now, I don't think it's going to be replaced just yet, at least not this year.


And although I'm not one to call BS on someone, since it was brought up, I also thought those scores were a wee bit high for a GTS 320, even with an overclocked quad core. But I suppose if he is scoring that high, it would be rather frustrating to game with Stalker at 1024X768.
 
neosin said:
Lies with you same specs, you won't even get 12,800 3d mark 06 with a gtx stock and when i say i've done research i mean at least 30 sites and personal experience so dun try argue wif me about overclocked gts, most gts 640 can go is about 11,000 max if ur lucky on some super overclocked system, but normal 3d mark 06 for a 320 gts is about 8000
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First off, fuck you for calling me a liar. People make mistakes, I did. I re-ran 3d mark06 again last night because I changed my video drivers and got 10,600 (around there, don't remember exactly). If you don't believe me I'll show you when I get home. If you still don't believe me...well then, you can go somewhere and do something to yourself.
 
The Cobra said:
When I do fire up CS:S (which is not that often anymore) and play. I max all the settings and play at 19x12, I usually pull in around 35-40fps on one video card, 70-80fps when I run the game in SLI.
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in deathmatch servers with 20 or more people?
 
silent-circuit said:
OP: What case are you using? If you get massive temp drops with the side off you have serious airflow issues.
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I have a Cooler Masters C5. I don't have wires all over, so thats not it. I don't know if it's the case or what, but it sure runs a hell of a lot cooler without the side on.
 
Timbowens said:
I have a Cooler Masters C5. I don't have wires all over, so thats not it. I don't know if it's the case or what, but it sure runs a hell of a lot cooler without the side on.
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I don't think you need to have wires all over the place with these newer video cards running hot. I think you need like 6 high CFM fans in your case now to keep them cool. What I did was placed a 120mm fan right in front of my vid card to blow over top of it and into the heatsink, it helps with temps.
 
Citizen86 said:
I don't think you need to have wires all over the place with these newer video cards running hot. I think you need like 6 high CFM fans in your case now to keep them cool. What I did was placed a 120mm fan right in front of my vid card to blow over top of it and into the heatsink, it helps with temps.
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Yeah, the side of my case had a fan on it so when I took the side off i put the fan right next to my card. The results were amazing. The temps went from Mid 70's (fan 100%) to high 50's (fan 100%).
 
Yeah, with the AC on right now my video card idles somewhere in between 50 and 60, not too sure, but that's with something like 85% fan (100% fan bugs me unless i'm playing a game). It's better than the no AC and fan at default 60%, which made it idle in the higher 70's :eek:
 
I run the rig in my sig and I can run all games in native widescreen res or easily 1600x1200 with max options without problems.
 
Droc said:
I run the rig in my sig and I can run all games in native widescreen res or easily 1600x1200 with max options without problems.
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All games you play, for now. More recent benchmarks are showing the 320MB cards may start having serious trouble, even at 1600x1200, much less at 1900x1200 as the OP was running.
 
Timbowens said:
How do you guys think this card will handle Crysis or UT3? Should I ditch it now in favor of the 640mb version, or maybe even the GTX? Would spending another $200 on the GTX be really worth it?
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Isin't the 9 series of GeForce going to be released in a couple of months? I know it's not a huge leap, but we should see some fair gains in DX10 speed. I would hang tough and wait till their released, then depending on prices get an 8800GTX/Ultra or the 9XXX GeForce.
 
jdraughn said:
Isin't the 9 series of GeForce going to be released in a couple of months? I know it's not a huge leap, but we should see some fair gains in DX10 speed. I would hang tough and wait till their released, then depending on prices get an 8800GTX/Ultra or the 9XXX GeForce.
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Depends how patient you are. G92 comes mid November, supposedly.
 
neosin said:
Lies with you same specs, you won't even get 12,800 3d mark 06 with a gtx stock and when i say i've done research i mean at least 30 sites and personal experience so dun try argue wif me about overclocked gts, most gts 640 can go is about 11,000 max if ur lucky on some super overclocked system, but normal 3d mark 06 for a 320 gts is about 8000
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Just ran it again, 10,495

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp;jsessionid=INOLKKPDOIHH

Just incase:


10495
The result you just submitted was not obtained with Futuremark Approved drivers. All of the charts and information provided on these pages are for information purposes only - Futuremark cannot vouch for their accuracy. For more information on Futuremark Approved drivers, please visit our Approved Drivers page.
 
Timbowens said:
No I haven't gotten it yet, I'm running with the side off of my case. The drops in temps across the board is amazing with the side off.

The specs for my rig are in my sig except for my PSU because it is total junk. Problem solved though as I ordered a H520 which, according to the Fedex website, is on the way to my front door today. :D
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thats a probible cause of your problems.

I guess I'll have to sell my GTS and go for the GTX or Ultra. I just don't know though since there might be a new card coming out.
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dont until new psu arrives.
 
Get the new PSU first and wait a week or two as more info on whether a true new high end is coming out within a few months or longer. The latest rumors are that G92 = 8700GTS and will be the upper mid-range card to replace the 8800GTS, the G98 will be a replacement to the lower end 8400/8500/8600. That doesn't mean there isn't a G90 out there and a high end replacement, but its release may not coincide with these other cards (I wouldn't be surprised if G92/G98 were 65nm and were test runs to fix out kinks with their high end. Yes this is against tradition for Nvidia to release a high end after the other cards, but then again ATI has never tanked this hard). Also, keep in mind a 2900Pro/2950Pro might come out within a month or two as well and it seems to perform well against the GTS640 now.
 
I bought a 320MB card and can only games at 1280 x 1024 (max on my current monitor), anything more would be wasted on my LCD. The benchmarks I read said not to bother with a GTX or a 640MB card for this resolution. I have no plans to change my monitor as it's a great gaming monitor. The best response times around still especially for G2G response. I compared it to a Samsung 2ms widescreen panel and there was noticible ghosting on the Sammy.

But, as many have mentioned 640MB is a minimum for higher resolutions, 320MB cards are crippled with high AA at anything higher than 1600 x 1024
 
Timbowens,

12000 would not be impossible with your system. I was able to squeese 10302 with my sig system (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=2927630) and I don't have a quad as you do.

3Dmark06 scores make huge jumps when you can do something more with your cpu.

As for the OP, just a glipse on the several reviews here at Hardocp and you would realise that the 320MB 8800 GTS was not made for 1900x1200 gaming. I bought mine when I had a Sony 1280x1024 LCD, but now that I play at 1600x1050 my eVGA is showing its weaknesses.

I will be in the US in november and a new board is definitly on my shopping list, just don't know which one yet.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Yep... 1280x1024 = 320MB, 1680x1050/1600x1200+ = 640MB, "for the win" :).
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i'm quite happy with the performance of my 8800 for the 253$CDN i paid. that should be the everyday price of the 320mb version though, based on the performance i'm seeing.

i can finally run DiRT @ 1680x1050 with more than 30fps. GTR2 has met its match as well.

for the price i paid, i'll be content with turning some settings down on newer games. i'd like to keep my x800pro, which i bought as doom 3 launched and on the eve of hl2, as the most expensive vid card i've ever purchased... should've went with the sapphire vivo model tho... unlocks all around :mad:

i wish i wasn't so attached to that whole food and shelter thing :p
 
I achieved this with my new build a few weeks ago at 3.6ghz Q6600 and 650/2000 8800GTS 640.
Memory was at 4-4-4-12 1T 960mhz somehow!

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Vista 32bit, 163.11 drivers

I feel I could attempt to go higher but dont see the need right now, 19 days that changes.
 
All I have currently is a 19" LCD monitor and was planning to get the EVGA 8800GTS 320m card.

Will I be ok for gaming at least for awhile with this card? - 320-P2-N815-AR or is the XFX 8800GTS better?

I dont play many games, But I wanna play Stalker, Bio-Shock, MOH:A, Alot of the EA Sports games, I HOPE it'd be an improvement over what I got now (6800GTS 256meg).

I dont plan to get another monitor anytime soon. I know my monitor isnt that great, Especially since it will ONLY goto 1280x1024 (Its an Viewsonic VP191b).

My sys will be a Core 2 Duo E6750, 2gigs ram, Abit IP35 Pro if that helps any.
 
fantomau said:
All I have currently is a 19" LCD monitor and was planning to get the EVGA 8800GTS 320m card.

Will I be ok for gaming at least for awhile with this card? - 320-P2-N815-AR or is the XFX 8800GTS better?

I dont play many games, But I wanna play Stalker, Bio-Shock, MOH:A, Alot of the EA Sports games, I HOPE it'd be an improvement over what I got now (6800GTS 256meg).

I dont plan to get another monitor anytime soon. I know my monitor isnt that great, Especially since it will ONLY goto 1280x1024 (Its an Viewsonic VP191b).

My sys will be a Core 2 Duo E6750, 2gigs ram, Abit IP35 Pro if that helps any.
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The GTS320MB is perfect for a 19" monitor's resolution
 
fantomau said:
All I have currently is a 19" LCD monitor and was planning to get the EVGA 8800GTS 320m card.

Will I be ok for gaming at least for awhile with this card? - 320-P2-N815-AR or is the XFX 8800GTS better?

I dont play many games, But I wanna play Stalker, Bio-Shock, MOH:A, Alot of the EA Sports games, I HOPE it'd be an improvement over what I got now (6800GTS 256meg).

I dont plan to get another monitor anytime soon. I know my monitor isnt that great, Especially since it will ONLY goto 1280x1024 (Its an Viewsonic VP191b).

My sys will be a Core 2 Duo E6750, 2gigs ram, Abit IP35 Pro if that helps any.
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Yep, you should be fine with a 8800GTS for a while. I can run all games so far at 1280 x1024 with everything on. For instance Stalker on a 7900GT I had to run it with static lighting, now I can use dynamic with everything maxed. The 8800GTS 320 is a good cardfor the money, just make sure your colling is good, they run hot as hell especially the OC versions
 
Didn't read everything in the thread but a few things to point out:
-1920x1200 would require an 8800GTS 640MB at least to max everything and get good framerates
-As long as you have a newer video card, CS:S is almost entirely CPU-limited. Getting a C2D or quad would be the best way to increase frames in the game.
-Quad cores and C2D increase scores in 3DMark06, do your homework
 
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