Dell 2407WFP-HC is available now

anyone tried this with PS3 yet? I'm thinking of getting 2 of these monster, but i want to know first if it's worth it. It will be use for PS3, Xbox360 and for my Dell M1710 laptop.

Any input would be great! THX
 
chadderuski said:
Don't forget to run the monitor validator to check the deltaE on your colors. I have not been able to do better than .9.

I am running at 6500k, 100cd/m (or 110 still making up my mind), you will need the lower light level if you are going to be proofing prints.

I lowered all color guns down to mid 80's to start, and left contrast at 50. Raising all the way is something you do on CRT's. I am not convinced this works correctly on this flat panel. One things I did notice after all this is that the image is even more sharp - less pixel to pixel bloom? Perception? Hard to tell. But it looks better to me at this level.

In the end, brightness was around 1 or 2. Basically none.

I think this is the best you can expect from a PVA panel. Some colors are still very saturated ... their idea of 92% gamut? Not convinced yet.

My S-IPS 2007wfp will calibrat to .4 consistently. My Multisynch FP950 (this is a pro CRT) will calibrate to .32 (and it is't feeling well after 8 years of service).

I have not lowered the 2007wfp to 100 lumins to see how it looks.

That all said, the 2407wfp-hc did look very acceptable after all the calibration work. I agree that it is a good monitor for the size and price for non-critical color applications.

Hope my observations were helpful to others.
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I just got the eye one an hour before and didnt have much time to play with it. I plan on doing more with it when i get home. So im not 100% on deltaE but i'll read up on it.

I think im going to keep this monitor cause for the price its hard to beat. If i didnt keep it i would go for an artisan crt as i dont think there is a 24" lcd available for $600 that doesnt require some sort of comprimises.

I'm going to play with it some more when i get home from work and let you guys know what settings i settle on. Just so busy with work and in the middle of moving.
 
The PS3 looks awesome on this monitor. Colors are vibrant and I do not see any blur.
The only problem is the lack of an HDMI port but all you need is a cheap DVI female to HDMI male adaptor.
720p games like Resistance look great (using Aspect wide mode) and the 1080p standard DVD upscaling looks much better than expected. Of course, it does not look as good as a 1080p genuine movie but it is still satisfying.
PS2 games like God of War looks surprisingly good when upscaled to 1080p.
Unfortunately, PS3 720p games cannot be upscaled to 1080p with the current revision.
In sum, this is a very good monitor for the PS3. If only there could be a second DVI or an HDMI port!

BTW, the 480p Wii looks very average but this is not the monitor fault...
 
RadXge said:
The PS3 looks awesome on this monitor. Colors are vibrant and I do not see any blur.
The only problem is the lack of an HDMI port but all you need is a cheap DVI female to HDMI male adaptor.
720p games like Resistance look great (using Aspect wide mode) and the 1080p standard DVD upscaling looks much better than expected. Of course, it does not look as good as a 1080p genuine movie but it is still satisfying.
PS2 games like God of War looks surprisingly good when upscaled to 1080p.
Unfortunately, PS3 720p games cannot be upscaled to 1080p with the current revision.
In sum, this is a very good monitor for the PS3. If only there could be a second DVI or an HDMI port!

BTW, the 480p Wii looks very average but this is not the monitor fault...
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how about BluRay Movies with native res of 1080p? how is it?
 
Ordered last week, came Monday. Plugged it in right away. Stunning display!!
 
I thought I remember somebody posting a profile for this monitor but I'm not seeing it. Perhaps it was lost in the rollback? Anybody remember it/have it?
 
I got mine this monday, very nice screen, no issues with it what so ever. great color range, very tiny backlight bleed, only visable when full black screen is shown and even then it's very minor. out of the box the settings were great. I did minor calibration like, -2 brightness and +1 red from the default settings. out the box the lcd is amazing, well made stand and bezel.

as far as the ps3 is concerned. I have my pc connected via dvi, so I connected the ps3 via component so that means it'll only do 480p through 1080i with all the rezes inbetween. it'll do 1080p if you connect via hdmi->dvi cable. I'd do that but I'm not gonna bother to be honest, since the games look gorgeous at 720p and 1080i on the screen, plus you won't notice a difference between 1080i and 1080p on such a small screen anyways.
 
Just got mine today. Very nice screen...trying to get used to the higher resolution (from my old crt 1280x1024).

Everything seems fine.

Is there a link somewhere where people can test them?
 
I do see what you're talking about... and to a point I think it's a defect but I'm not entirely sure that this problem, or another as substantial, wouldn't be evident in other monitors. It's kind of a 6 of one half dozen of another situation we're in with 24" LCD's. I looked at the vid you posted and read the thread on the Dell site... I'm unsure as to whether this is fixable with firmware or a panel revision... but lets just hope that Dell will exchange if they fix the problem.
 
JiBB said:
I do see what you're talking about... and to a point I think it's a defect but I'm not entirely sure that this problem, or another as substantial, wouldn't be evident in other monitors. It's kind of a 6 of one half dozen of another situation we're in with 24" LCD's. I looked at the vid you posted and read the thread on the Dell site... I'm unsure as to whether this is fixable with firmware or a panel revision... but lets just hope that Dell will exchange if they fix the problem.
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I'm not sure either whether this is typical ghosting but I can tell everyone that the video of the ghosting in WoW doesent do it justice. In some games Red Orchestra in particular the ghosting is very severe. Nearly every object has a severe dark shadow trail. I have talked to Dell and they have offered to replace it or refund but several people have complained about this issue so I'm hesitant to get it replaced. I dont think that Dell is going to consider it defective because a tech had me run what he calls the self test where a small box of colors moves on the screen, not at the speed needed to reproduce this ghosting, and it was fine and I think they consider it fine. I'm thinking about getting a refund and getting the LG 24.
 
I guess for those of us out of the 21 business day return policy we're limited to an exchange?
 
I thought I would chime in here, and inform you on just how much mark-up there is on this damn monitor.

I attempted to purchase this monitor with the PayPal 10% offer on the Dell Electronics / Accessories (www.slickdeals.net) and was not able to get the discount to work. I think it might have something to do with it already being on sale for $569.

So, I talked and talked to all of the Dell Rep's trying to get this incentive, but NO luck. I just keep getting routing offshore to those panzie ass people. After a week a reseraching and complaining, here is the deal:

2407 HC
5 Year Warrranty
Shipped Next Day Air

Total Price Shipped to my home: $434

Patience paid off on this campaign. To my knowledge, NOBODY has purchased this monitor for this price. :D
 
So you just decided to be an ass and rub it in all of our faces huh? nice...
 
Maddie, enjoy your new... err, newly refurbished monitor lol. Sorry, couldn't resist :D I had mine for 5 days now and I am quite happy. Yes, it could be better but so far this is the best LCD monitor I've had. I bought it for development and light graphics work, which it's great for. Has vibrant colours, and with the 24" screen size at max resolution, I can have two windows side by side no problem. That makes development work much more enjoyable and much quicker. I might also play a little Flight Sim X down the road which I have no doubt will work great on this. That doesn't need 100 fps to enjoy lol

Btw, what sealed the deal for me was that Dell.ca had it on sale for $599 CAD on their Dell Days event (now it's back up to $749 CAD), and of course a lot of reviews I read were very positive about it so I couldn't resist at that price.
 
Maddie said:
Total Price Shipped to my home: $434

Patience paid off on this campaign. To my knowledge, NOBODY has purchased this monitor for this price. :D
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How did you get it? How can I get that price? It sounds pretty good.
 
I saw in this thread there's about 22ms of input lag (without vsync?) how noticeable is that? vsync turned on with my e228wfp has AWFUL input lag. I could never use a monitor like that. Is this one as bad?
 
Had mine a week. No noticebale ghosting nor lag.

Love this monitor.
 
I've been wondering of how do you notice an input lag.. or what is input lag? How do I know my monitor have noticeable input lag?
 
Input lag is how long it takes for whatever image or action you take to show up on screen (i.e.moving the mouse) These LCDs have circuitry to process the incoming video signal before they display them, so takes a couple milliseconds to show up.

For this LCD, repoman0 - on this same thread just few pages back - posted some comparisons with a CRT that has low input lag:

Dell 2407 @ 60Hz vs. CRT @ 100Hz:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031322619&postcount=225

redone with both at 60Hz to make it more realistic:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031332698&postcount=262

It lags about 1.5 frames behind the CRT @ 60Hz which in my opinion is not that bad. Not noticeable to me for now, but mind you I haven't yet played games on it.
 
The most noticeable thing when playing games is the ghosting, no doubt. I've had a good chance to play a wide range of games on this monitor now and the on thing I can point out as a "flaw" is the ghosting. I find it is more apparent on RTS games for some reason, I've been playing a lot of Black and White 2 and I just finished the World in Conflict demo a few days ago and you can notice the ghost of the buildings as you rotate the camera view around if you're looking for it.

The only FPS I've had a chance to play is GRAW2 and I really didn't find it that noticeable... haven't had a chance to play CS or anything like that yet so I can't speak for all FPSes but unless you're really picky... I dont' think you're going to notice.
 
I have tried out a variety of LCD's this year and there is one unanimous conclusion that I have come to... that is that IPS displays are in fact the best and all other technologies fall short when compared to IPS...

I had the HP L2335 back when they were still being produced and quite honestly I have yet to find an LCD that matches the quality of that S-IPS panel... it was amazing... I am so very disappointed that they stopped making them because I made a stupid mistake of selling mine and I refuse to buy refurbished...

Anyhow, I bought the DELL 2407WFP-HC a couple weeks ago... I kept it for a week and shipped it back last week... even after trying to adjust the colors as best as I could... they just looked way too saturated compared to my NEC 20WMGX2 display... there was horrible color shifting when viewing the LCD from odd angles which I just can't stand... and there was a horrible problem while gaming where while playing in dark environments I would get a black halo effect around objects of color... it was HORRENDOUS!

So, I am back to using my NEC 20WMGX2 display while I continue to look for a 24+ inch LCD that has IPS technology that is under a grand in price... I have been eye balling that Planar 26" display... the fact that it has IPS panel is a winner in my book...

I have tried 3 different TN displays this year... they ALL were garbage when compared to IPS... this DELL being PVA was my first screen with that technology and though it is deffinetly better than TN tech... it still is FUGLY compared to IPS...

I have yet to try an MVA panel but at this point I am done... if a display doesn't have IPS I won't touch it...

The best way I can describe IPS technology is that it is SOOO darn close to what CRT greatness is...

Anyways... just my thoughts...
 
^^

well the top IPS model/panel is still affordable at 499 out of newegg, due to an extended rebate i didnt know about, i'm hoping they extend it again (anyone know if they will??), but i've heard a recent upsurge of possible problems with it from the widescreengamersforum (this is all in reference to the NEC 20wmgx2).
 
solidus2 said:
Input lag is how long it takes for whatever image or action you take to show up on screen (i.e.moving the mouse) These LCDs have circuitry to process the incoming video signal before they display them, so takes a couple milliseconds to show up.

For this LCD, repoman0 - on this same thread just few pages back - posted some comparisons with a CRT that has low input lag:

Dell 2407 @ 60Hz vs. CRT @ 100Hz:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031322619&postcount=225

redone with both at 60Hz to make it more realistic:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031332698&postcount=262

It lags about 1.5 frames behind the CRT @ 60Hz which in my opinion is not that bad. Not noticeable to me for now, but mind you I haven't yet played games on it.
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I know... but that's not very helpful to me. I'm looking from first hand experience from someone who actually plays FPS games seriously.
 
I don't think there is much debate that S-IPS is the superior panel to buy, but trust me there is no 24" panel out there that is under 1000... well none that I could find. I was looking mainly for the 600 to 700 price range, but any IPS that I found were around 1500 and up. For the price the 2407 isn't a bad monitor. It's not the best, but you want and LCD now, of this size then you're going to have make some sacrifices. Maybe in say 2 years or so IPS will be in the 600 dollar price range but not right now.

So if you've got the money, by all means. If you don't then I recommend the Dell or the BenQ.
 
Hi guys,

Got my 2407-hc for bout a week now, everything else seems fine, no dead pixels, no backlight bleeding that i can discern, build quality is really good but there seems to be one thing that's been nagging me...reading thru many articles, PVA panel tech. is said to be able to produce black blacks however compared to my friend's dell e228wfp which is for the moment at my place, for a monitor that is utilising a TN panel, it seems to be able to produce a black level that is of a truer black than the PVA panel of my 2407-hc, is this normal? My black seems like a brighter sort of black instead of it being a "truer" black, if you get what i mean....any input is truly appreciated.

And one other thing i noticed last night while browsing thru some photos of mine, when there's a sky backdrop in the photo, it appears that there's visible colour banding on the whole area of the sky. I wld like to know whether this is a "normal"

Should i ship it back to dell for a replacement unit? And is there also a panel lottery for the dell 2407-hc? Any help is greatly appreciated!!! regards
 
Betauser said:
what are the S-IPS LCD monitor right now with 24"?

I'm assuming this one uses IPS panel?

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0950280

If $$ not a problem, is this a good buy?
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oh boy, I could buy two 2407s at that price and still have some pocket money left. I don't think the 2407 is half as good as that. But with time, say an year it might make sense to buy when that technology is more widespread. However, I have read ToastyX's review of the Planar 26", and I am really turned off of S-IPS. They have issues too, i.e. backlight bleed I couldn't live with. The NEC with the same panel seems to be implemented better, but again it costs a lot, and is not without it's own issues i.e more lag, visible horizontal lines. Here is the link to the Planar review for anyone interested.

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031231298&postcount=116

Let's face it, there is no perfect LCD that's good for everybody, even when you have a ton of money to throw around. At least not yet.
 
solidus2 said:
oh boy, I could buy two 2407s at that price and still have some pocket money left. I don't think the 2407 is half as good as that. But with time, say an year it might make sense to buy when that technology is more widespread. However, I have read ToastyX's review of the Planar 26", and I am really turned off of S-IPS. They have issues too, i.e. backlight bleed I couldn't live with. The NEC with the same panel seems to be implemented better, but again it costs a lot, and is not without it's own issues i.e more lag, visible horizontal lines. Here is the link to the Planar review for anyone interested.

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031231298&postcount=116

Let's face it, there is no perfect LCD that's good for everybody, even when you have a ton of money to throw around. At least not yet.
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backlight bleed is alot more to due with the manufacture than just the panel tech.

And if the NEC you're refering to was the AS-IPS 20" one, it currently has a rebate going that makes it the same price as the Dell 2007WFP, so it's like getting a slightly updated and garunteed IPS panel....you just have to put up with the gloss though :p

i really hope the extend the rebate one more month too (anyone know if they will? it currentl expired sept 1) since it's still a little too early as i want to get it once i have a comp to test it on and make sure it;s all good.
 
JiBB said:
I don't think there is much debate that S-IPS is the superior panel to buy, but trust me there is no 24" panel out there that is under 1000... well none that I could find. I was looking mainly for the 600 to 700 price range, but any IPS that I found were around 1500 and up. For the price the 2407 isn't a bad monitor. It's not the best, but you want and LCD now, of this size then you're going to have make some sacrifices. Maybe in say 2 years or so IPS will be in the 600 dollar price range but not right now.

So if you've got the money, by all means. If you don't then I recommend the Dell or the BenQ.
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Well if 23" and single DVI is acceptable. An Apple ACD 23" is probably the best game in town. These have always been S-IPS panels AFAIK. Also Apple keep quietly updating them with newer S-IPS panels as time passes. They are $899 at the apple store.
 
this is true. And I did consider going with the apple for some time, but the price is just a turn off. Apple has a habit of taking all the control away from the users and I've heard that if you want to calibrate this monitor off the factory defaults you're kinda shit out of luck. Either way it was too rich for my blood.

As for H-IPS, it's just a slightly different branding than S or A or whatever, all they stand for is Hyper, or Super, or Advanced, or supercalifragilistic or whatever. Like solidus2 said, there is no perfect LCD out there. We've got a few years to wait before they hit where CRT's were when it comes to price and quality... but I mean, they've only been around, as monitors and TV's, for like 7 to 10 years.

So if you really want IPS and don't have 900+ to spend, go with a 20" as spincut pointed out, you can get and NEC, or Dell 2007 (if you lucky enough to get and IPS panel in it) for around the same price which I believe is like 350 or so. Which isn't bad by any means.

I personally wanted a 24" cuz I like watching moives on my comp (since I don't have a TV) and I need the real estate.


Oh and to answer wernehawen's question. It sounds to me you just to calibrate your monitor. Good blacks and contrast levels are only achieved through calibration. The 2407 is typically bright out of the box. So mess around with some settings, there are some good sites linked earlier in this thread say page 14 or 15 I think check them out, should help you a bit. As for your colour banding, post a pic and we can tell you if it's "normal" hehe
 
About Calibration. Color is actually calibrated by changing settings on the PC, so Apple monitors are no less calibration ready than any other.

Apple tends to more expensive, but $899 for a 23" 1920x1200 S-IPS is actually pretty good considering the alternatives in the 23"-24" S-IPS space right now. I consider 23-24" pretty much equivalent.

For 20" S-IPS the Nec 20WMGX2 has dropped in price quite a bit and are lotto free.

I am afraid I wouldn't wait for 24" S-IPS to drop to a favorable price, the actually trend is that S-IPS is disappearing.
 
That is true. I just like the ability to set colour settings on the monitor itself. But like I said, 899 US, which translates to 1024 CDN for me, is too much for me right now. I'm hoping that when I next buy a monitor it will be more affordable for something of better quality. And I don't think that IPS is disappearing... just in the market for those who can't tell the difference. NEC, Eizo, Planar, and many other professional grade monitors are IPS only and as long as they stay the same I don't think that IPS will disappear. And I'm sure that the price will drop over time... I hope. :p
 
JiBB said:
And I don't think that IPS is disappearing... just in the market for those who can't tell the difference. NEC, Eizo, Planar, and many other professional grade monitors are IPS only and as long as they stay the same I don't think that IPS will disappear. And I'm sure that the price will drop over time... I hope. :p
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Fair enough(I am in Canada too), but you are going to pay well over $1000 for a 24" IPS from NEC/Eizo/Planar(not sure they have one)). Note also that none of these are exclusively IPS. NEC is moving away from IPS in it's affordable lineup. You need go to the 90 series for a 24" IPS. Affordable Eizos are PVA. I think the 24" Planar (even in PX series) is also PVA.
 
JiBB said:
this is true. And I did consider going with the apple for some time, but the price is just a turn off. Apple has a habit of taking all the control away from the users and I've heard that if you want to calibrate this monitor off the factory defaults you're kinda shit out of luck. Either way it was too rich for my blood.

As for H-IPS, it's just a slightly different branding than S or A or whatever, all they stand for is Hyper, or Super, or Advanced, or supercalifragilistic or whatever. Like solidus2 said, there is no perfect LCD out there. We've got a few years to wait before they hit where CRT's were when it comes to price and quality... but I mean, they've only been around, as monitors and TV's, for like 7 to 10 years.

So if you really want IPS and don't have 900+ to spend, go with a 20" as spincut pointed out, you can get and NEC, or Dell 2007 (if you lucky enough to get and IPS panel in it) for around the same price which I believe is like 350 or so. Which isn't bad by any means.

I personally wanted a 24" cuz I like watching moives on my comp (since I don't have a TV) and I need the real estate.


Oh and to answer wernehawen's question. It sounds to me you just to calibrate your monitor. Good blacks and contrast levels are only achieved through calibration. The 2407 is typically bright out of the box. So mess around with some settings, there are some good sites linked earlier in this thread say page 14 or 15 I think check them out, should help you a bit. As for your colour banding, post a pic and we can tell you if it's "normal" hehe
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well yeah i mean NEC's 20" was an "as"-ips which many said was just S-IPS but given the name because it was a little more tweaked, not a whole new type, so yeah maybe H-IPS is the same, i just wasnt sure or not (still though it usually means something positive when they give it a unique moniquer like that).

Also, the NEC 20" is 399 on newegg, the same as the dell 20". only issue is it has to be from newegg to get that price, the rebate may actually expire this time on sept 1 (i hope it doesnt), and yeah if what someone else said is true the next model will be a rather inferior TN model to replace it, which is a shame.

But before i buy the supposed top 20" monitor in the next week assuming i can still get the rebate, i did want to sort out some of the complaints i've been recently hearing about it on widescreen gaming forums. Some weird stuff about backlight bleeding and gradients and crap.
 
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