Dell 2407WFP-HC is available now

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It came on sale yesterday in the US. I ordered one and am now waiting to see when delivery will be. Will post descriptions when it arrives.
 

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any idea when it might hit the UK? I am considering getting a 24inch dell monitor, and am wondering whether to wait for 2407wfp-hc or just go for it.
 

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5aboy, reading through this was what made me decide to wait:
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=162570
The colors look much truer on the HC. A little less hyped perhaps.

I started checking the site everyday after they were released in Japan.
Then yesterday, when it appeared, I placed the order.

I've never ordered from Dell, but I wasn't expecting it to take two weeks to ship.
Kind of disappointed about that.

Newegg could get a monitor out the door in 24 hours.
But I just won't order a monitor from the 'Egg because of their LCD return policy.

Also, as of Monday when I called, they had 104 units in stock.
And I would expect them to go fast.

Regards...
 

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Cool link but given that neither unit was calibrated the comparison was pointless. The minor differences were much more likely due to not being calibrated.

To do it right they would need to calibrate both units to the same standard and display images in Photoshop that are beyond sRGB. Comparing desktop images is just plain silly. You are not going to see any real differences until you display something outside of the 72% gamut.
 
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[H]eatpipe;1031220062 said:
I've never ordered from Dell, but I wasn't expecting it to take two weeks to ship.
Kind of disappointed about that.

Newegg could get a monitor out the door in 24 hours.
But I just won't order a monitor from the 'Egg because of their LCD return policy.
Regards...

Don't be surprise if your monitor arrive next Monday or even this Friday. I've purchased more than 20 times and most arrived within 5 business days.

What I like most about Dell is that they cross shipped the item if you need to make an exchange. Depending on the items, they'll arrange for a pickup and they'll also pay for the return postage. You don't see too many companies doing this anymore.
 

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Can someone highlight the differences between the normal and HC version?
 

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guys there is no samsung 24" high gamut LCD module, are we sure its PVA based?
 

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guys there is no samsung 24" high gamut LCD module, are we sure its PVA based?

I was wondering this as well, since Samsung Semiconductor's website does not admit to making a wide gamut 24" SPVA panel. Although this would not be the first time that their website has been incomplete, they are usually pretty thorough about posting their newer panels. They have been listing their just-recently-released wide gamut 24" TN panel since January.

AUO, however, just started making a 24" AMVA panel. I think AMVA would be better than SPVA, so I am hoping that this is what they are using. Certainly the LG and BenQ 24" offerings with AUO's current generation 24" MVA panel are excellent monitors.

Mofongo
 

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I was wondering this as well, since Samsung Semiconductor's website does not admit to making a wide gamut 24" SPVA panel. Although this would not be the first time that their website has been incomplete, they are usually pretty thorough about posting their newer panels. They have been listing their just-recently-released wide gamut 24" TN panel since January.

AUO, however, just started making a 24" AMVA panel. I think AMVA would be better than SPVA, so I am hoping that this is what they are using. Certainly the LG and BenQ 24" offerings with AUO's current generation 24" MVA panel are excellent monitors.

Mofongo

even the just released eizo S-PVA monitors are not wide gamut, also the 245T. I think its a possiblity that its not a PVA panel.

MVA is a nice combination, contrast ratio of PVA with the response time of an IPS LCD, IPS is the best however not in terms of contrast ratio.

Someone open thier 2407WFP-HC!
 

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S-IPS monitors are invariably considerably more expensive than S-PVA and P-MVA monitors. The Dell is listed for $679.00, comparable to the current crop of S-PVA and P-MVA monitors. Ergo...
 

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Cool link but given that neither unit was calibrated the comparison was pointless. The minor differences were much more likely due to not being calibrated.

To do it right they would need to calibrate both units to the same standard and display images in Photoshop that are beyond sRGB. Comparing desktop images is just plain silly. You are not going to see any real differences until you display something outside of the 72% gamut.

All the comparison photo is useless. Unless you have a wide gamut monitor yourself, how can you see a difference ? Can you see a color photo on a monochrome display ?
 
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To be honest you could level tha argument at anyone that posts images of screens, saying "look how good the quality is". I'm viewing it through a 21" CRT so its a little self-defeating. This is why its hard to choose a monitor here in the UK as no shops have 24" LCDs on display in any shop and relying on peoples images on the web is pointless.
 

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Yeah, it's a frustrating shame that there aren't any S-IPS 24" widescreen LCDs. S-IPS is so much better... I love my first-run 2007WFP because the S-IPS panel has (relative to other LCDs which have noticeable input lag like the 2407) no input lag, great blacks, great color reproduction, etc, and thus it makes a wonderful LCD for gaming, movie watching, etc. I just wish it was 24". :(
 

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I wasn't aware of it but looking at the one price that shows up in Google ($1499) I'd call it overpriced, especially in today's world where LCD HDTVs - quality ones, at that - are 32" and 36" at that price range. I know that's a product with a completely different use but it's the same thing - an LCD panel - and thus I could never justify spending that much on something so much smaller when it's clearly just excessive profit.
It'd have to be priced at about half that to be appealing.
 

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What do you mean no, 24" IPS, what do you call the NEC 2490?:eek:

too much lag so out of the question for me, it has the same colour/ASICS as used in the 2690. Now if they did a bog standard version then I'd consider it.
 

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Strange, being S-IPS it should have less lag, at least compared to the 24" MVA/PVA panels out there.
 

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Strange, being S-IPS it should have less lag, at least compared to the 24" MVA/PVA panels out there.

S-IPS panels have always had less input lag than the VA variants except, perhaps, the new A-MVA in one of the 24" BenQ's. If we are talking response time, well, in testing S-IPS panels have had response times right up there with the TN's. Remember, panel manufacturers have different methods of testing response time. What Dell calls 16ms, Samsung calls 8ms, for example.
 

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Has anyone been able to verify, accurately, the claim that the new 2407wfp-HC uses the AUO A-MVA panel? Besides cracking one open, how would one go about verifying this?
 

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thats odd, some lady i talked to on the livechat thing said 9-10 business days (ie 2weeks).
 

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For some insane reason, I decided to give Dell a call today. I am really curious about the panel used in the 2407-HC, as I think it would be great if it was the AUO P-MVA used in the BenQ and LG 24" monitors (supposedly good color and less color shifting when looking straight on). So I got a guy named Mike on the phone and asked him about who makes the panel in the new 2407-HC. He knew this monitor previously used a Samsung panel and claimed that in the new HC version it was still Samsung who made "the glass" (as he called it). We all know to take this with a grain of salt. But I thought I would put this out there for those interested.
 

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For some insane reason, I decided to give Dell a call today. I am really curious about the panel used in the 2407-HC, as I think it would be great if it was the AUO P-MVA used in the BenQ and LG 24" monitors (supposedly good color and less color shifting when looking straight on). So I got a guy named Mike on the phone and asked him about who makes the panel in the new 2407-HC. He knew this monitor previously used a Samsung panel and claimed that in the new HC version it was still Samsung who made "the glass" (as he called it). We all know to take this with a grain of salt. But I thought I would put this out there for those interested.

the problem is samsung do not have a 24" Wide-gamut LCD module hence not even the 245T or the latest eizo's have wide-gamut (all S-PVA monitors).

Why would the flagship monitors of both companies (in the 24" space) not be 92% gamut. Exclude the Eizo colour edge series as its a completly different target market.

Another thoery has samsung delayed the 245T due to supply issues of the 92% LCD modules?
 

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[H]eatpipe
I've never ordered from Dell, but I wasn't expecting it to take two weeks to ship.
Kind of disappointed about that.

NeverSummer07
Don't be surprise if your monitor arrive next Monday or even this Friday.
I've purchased more than 20 times and most arrived within 5 business days.

Right you are NeverSummer07...
Looks like it will be here tomorrow.

I'm looking forward to checking it out.
I paid a good deal of scratch for a S-IPS 20" monitor in spring-2004, but it's a beautiful monitor.
Viewsonic VP-201b (at the time it was called the first 20" capable of gaming, and for me, it was!).
Every LCD I've seen since (at Best Buy, etc) looks kinda bad in comparison.

A few days ago, I was near a Best Buy and looked at the 24's.
They looked kind of small (I think that's due to perspective in a huge place like BB) and the images
looked kind of washed-out. Not crisp and richly-colored like my 20"
Again, that could the BB effect... bright fluorescent lighting.

Here's to hoping that HC 24" changes that.
It may go back for the 27" (probably similar in IQ) or, god-forbid, the 30" (probably too big + too expensive).

Regards....
 

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Only if its not PVA based will I ever touch this dell monitor, my experience with the 2405 & 2407 left a bitter taste in my mouth prety much for good.
 

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Yeah my first run 2007WFP S-IPS is great but even that's not perfect with some gradient issues. But at least is has no noticeable input lag - unlike the 24" PVA/MVA panels. That's what keeps me from looking at the 2407.
 

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It seems like the IPS breed are becoming more and more rare these days, especially in light of the lower production costs of the other types of LCD panels.

My Apple Cinema Display 23" is an IPS from 2003, and it still performs wonderfully - rich, accurate colors, and minimal to no ghosting on most games. In fact, i've yet to find an appropriate replacement for it, despite the popularity of the Dell Ultrasharp Widescreen models.

NEC makes a 25.5 inch widescreen model with around 6ms response time. It's an IPS panel as well, and has just about everything i'm looking for in a monitor (height adjustment, tilt, swivel, thin bezel) but the cost is around $1,700! (probably 1,400-1,600 on the web). For that much you can easily start looking at the 32-37" or greater LCD tv range for an all in one system.

Still, the dell 2407-HC looks tempting, if only for the enhanced color clarity and adjustment options, not to mention the price. Back in the day (circa 2002), if you really wanted to go widescreen with your PC you had no choice but to buy Apple (around $2,000-$2,500), which was actually a relatively sane price compared to the 3,000+ asking price for equivalent PC models.

It would be nice to pick up a widescreen monitor these days like the 24" dell, that costs less than half that, of course, to do that i'll have to join the ranks of the PVA and MVA panel users. ;)
 

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eh well, it seems that MVA models like benq's 24" VW/WZ one are incredibly good for gaming.

check the Planar thread. That seems to be the sweet spot for the cash and getting a 26" deal. I am trying to figure on how I would swing that.
 

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I am as curious as all of you about the image quality...

My S-IPS VP-201b has been acting-up over the last six months with blue lines crawling
across the top of the screen until it completes a 20-minute warm-up.
It makes it impossible to use my original power-scheme of "turn off monitor after 20min".
Though, after it's warmed up, it's perfect.

I could've had it repaired under the three-year warranty, but I couldn't find a suitable replacement.
(and now the warranty period has run out)

Newegg used to offer "New-Item" LCDs with the standard-return warranty,
so I bought a Samsung 941BW as soon as it hit Newegg.
But the colors and contrast were absolutely dreadful.
Even after calibrating for two days, it went back to the 'Egg in a week.

I fear that I may be forced to buy the 30" for the S-IPS screen.
Then again, this is a monitor for a gaming system only (racing simulations- GTR2 & rFactor).
So, I don't want to blow too much cash... more than the TN-tastic 22", but less than the 30.
Beside the initial cost of the 30", it will probably unleash an unholy upgrade war from my current AMD/7900GTX system...
 

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It seems like the IPS breed are becoming more and more rare these days, especially in light of the lower production costs of the other types of LCD panels.

My Apple Cinema Display 23" is an IPS from 2003, and it still performs wonderfully - rich, accurate colors, and minimal to no ghosting on most games. In fact, i've yet to find an appropriate replacement for it, despite the popularity of the Dell Ultrasharp Widescreen models.

NEC makes a 25.5 inch widescreen model with around 6ms response time...

just FYI, we aren't referring to response time when we talk about input lag.

Response time has to do with the pixels changing to the next designated color for the next 'frame' (for lack of a more technical description) and a high response time means the pixels are slow to change to the next color. That is what creates 'ghosting' where you can still see the previous image slightly or 'blurring' when small items are moving across the screen quickly (fast-moving aircraft in RTS games are usually a good example). Generally though, anything 12ms or under should not exhibit noticeable ghosting, though even 8ms panels can have some blurring on fast moving images. The real thing here though is that response time is often measured in several different ways including rise-to-fall and gray-to-gray. G2G i think provides a lower number than rise/fall does and that is what manufacturers like to use, so you might even see a panel advertised as 8ms but in real-world use its response time is more equivalent to a 14-16ms response time. So be careful and learn more about that before simply accepting the response time a manufacturer lists.

Input lag, on the other hand, is a delay between you moving your mouse and the cursor on the screen displaying the result of your movement. This is lag in the visual reproduction of your movements and can be the equivalent in fps games to having up to a couple hundred milliseconds added to your ping, which in today's broadband world of <100ms pings can be quite frustrating. It means other players' actions won't appear on your screen quite as quickly as yours might on your opponent's screen, but more directly it means that when you spin your view to engage someone, your mouse movement takes (relatively speaking) a lot of time before the screen will produce the result of this movement. Hard to describe this problem but it's frustrating for fps gaming, for graphic design at times, and just for everyday use for really sensitive users.

And really while there's technically input lag on EVERY display device, the problem with input lag is when it's noticeable.

TN panels have the lowest input lag, and S-IPS are usually right there with them as the best, and S-IPS often also has good response times which is just another benefit to that type of panel.

MVA/PVA are often higher response times but also terrible input lag once the display size is above 20-21". So those 24" Dell 2405/2407 that you see people complaining about input lag? It's not response time, it's something else entirely. I hope my explanation of it helped.
 

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just wondering if the 2407wfp-hc release is tied in with the inspiron desktop 530 - as if it is the case then we ought to be seeing the HC monitor in the UK soon, as the inspiron is released in 3 days time.
 

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mom paid $800CAD for a 2407 that just arrived. no dead pixels, A04 rev.

however I now see they have the 2407 HC for the same price on dell.ca


called a rep who offered a $150 refund making the 2407 $650.

would you take that offer or exchange for the 2407 HC? for $150 more?
 

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if you dont, youll be pissed off for a long time.


Thank you for that information, "yacoub35". very clear info.

Would you say that a A-MVA like the benq24" has more lag than a s-ips panel such as the Planar 26"?
 
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I ordered a 2407wfp-hc from Dell on Monday July 2, it arrived here on Monday July 9. So far I am very happy with it. It was manufactured in Mexico. I cannot tell what type of panel it has but the viewing angle is good for both vertical and horizontal (its not a TN). Blacks are great so I am thinking its either PVA or MVA but I am not an experienced user of LCD so this opinion should be taken lightly. Also, I am not a serious gamer so response time isnt an issue for me. Color and uniformity are my primary concerns. This is my first LCD because I have been holding out for color and viewing angle on a wide screen (uniformity with viewing angle).

I noticed that since Dell announced the 2407wfp-hc eBay auctions for the 2407wfp have slowed and usually end with a price well under $600 plus shipping. So if you dont want hc you can get a rev 04 for about $100 less but not through Dell.

More later, when I have something usefull to tell.

Mac
 

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I love my first-run 2007WFP because the S-IPS panel has (relative to other LCDs which have noticeable input lag like the 2407) no input lag, great blacks, great color reproduction, etc, and thus it makes a wonderful LCD for gaming, movie watching, etc. I just wish it was 24". :(

You must be joking. Blacks vere absolutely horrible, especially in games. Big problems producing enough different shades of black and white...
 
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