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Am I missing out? P4 user

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travr1131

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Hello all,

I have been running an Abit IC7-G since fall of 2003 and it is currently configured as follows:

Abit IC7-G
Pentium 4 Prescott 3.0 OC'd to 3.6ghz
2GB Kingston HyperX DDR Ram 1:1
Sapphire ATi X1950 512MB AGP Video Card
MS Vista Ultimate (hey I think its great)

I have not had the chance to use one of the new dual/quad core machines, but all things considered, would I notice a considerable performace difference with one of these new rigs? The main issue I am having is that DDR RAM is pricey in 2GB sticks and Vista is gobbling up all of my RAM!

I think 4GB is the sweetspot with Vista, and due to a Canterwood limitation, I cannot run 4 sticks of ram in my machine and keep PAT enabled. So as far as upgrades...I fear I have reached the end of affordability with this machine. I'd appreciate any experience and opinions you guys would like to share. Thanks! :)
 
travr1131 said:
I have not had the chance to use one of the new dual/quad core machines, but all things considered, would I notice a considerable performace difference with one of these new rigs?
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Uhmmm... HELL FUCKING YES YOU WOULD.

'Nuff typed. :)
 
Yep, I just migrated from a similar setup about 3 months ago to a C2D, and the dual-core'ness is awesome, and the OC'ing is amazing (got it up to the same clock as my Northwood which makes me even happier).

My 478 rig lasted me all through HS, very happy with it. It's still perfect for playing/doing slightly older games/apps too, which is awesome. Anything pre 2005 or so it decimates happily. Uber-high clocked single core ftw. ;)
 
Personally, I don't think you are going to just drop dead with disbelief at what you have been missing out on. However, it would be a pleasant surprise. It is going to run everything better, and at the current prices, you could get away with a decent MB, CPU, RAM setup for around $300. Add your video card and HDD's and you are set.
 
I think, and this is just me but I'm not alone, that if someone is interested in getting a new PC or building one, that's precisely what they need to do: get or build a new PC meaning stop using the old hardware and keep squeezing a bit more life out of it, just a bit more... one... last... frame... in... an... RPG... or... an... FPS... ugh

If you're going to do it, do it right and do it all brand new. In today's market, prices are so ridiculously low even today that not building an entirely new PC is simply another way of dumping more money into the old PC's components trying to wring that last gasp of performance or use from 'em.

I say go for it, and never look back - if you can afford it, that is. I understand that some people just can't afford a brand new machine top to bottom, and that's fine, do the best with what you have at the time you start building the "new" machine.

But if you can do it all brand new, totally absolutely go for it and don't even look back.
 
travr1131 said:
Hello all,

I have been running an Abit IC7-G since fall of 2003 and it is currently configured as follows:

Abit IC7-G
Pentium 4 Prescott 3.0 OC'd to 3.6ghz
2GB Kingston HyperX DDR Ram 1:1
Sapphire ATi X1950 512MB AGP Video Card
MS Vista Ultimate (hey I think its great)

I have not had the chance to use one of the new dual/quad core machines, but all things considered, would I notice a considerable performace difference with one of these new rigs? The main issue I am having is that DDR RAM is pricey in 2GB sticks and Vista is gobbling up all of my RAM!

I think 4GB is the sweetspot with Vista, and due to a Canterwood limitation, I cannot run 4 sticks of ram in my machine and keep PAT enabled. So as far as upgrades...I fear I have reached the end of affordability with this machine. I'd appreciate any experience and opinions you guys would like to share. Thanks! :)
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I just upgraded from the exact same setup, but I had a R9800. In short, shit yes you will notice. IC7-G kicked ass though... :D
 
Hey guys,

Thank you very much for your feedback! I will start planning out my new machine then and wait until after July for the pricebreak.

The IC7-G/P4 combo was a great machine! I will gift it to my sister who needs something to do email with. Sadly there is not much if anything I can use from it going into a modern system as it is DDR1, AGP and IDE. For her purposes, I think it will be a fine machine for a few more years!

Thanks again!
 
I'm still rocking a P4 2.4C. No real need to upgrade. But I could use a new S478 motherboard, this IS7 is flakey.
 
I have an older P4 3.0 GHz gaming rig, as well as a E6400 gaming rig, and overall yes, you'll notice a difference. Multitasking is easier and more can be done with a dual core chip in this respect. The difference isnt just realized in the pcu chips neither. If you build a new system you are basically going from AGP to PCIe on the graphics. Also better and faster RAM. So you'll being getting an entirely new generation of gaming components and performance. The differences will be huge in this respect.
 
I just upgraded from a p4 northwood in April.
Went with a p5b deluxe, e6420, 2x2gig crucial ballistix and 8800gts 640.
The difference is like night and day.:cool:
 
travr1131 said:
Hey guys,

Thank you very much for your feedback! I will start planning out my new machine then and wait until after July for the pricebreak.

The IC7-G/P4 combo was a great machine! I will gift it to my sister who needs something to do email with. Sadly there is not much if anything I can use from it going into a modern system as it is DDR1, AGP and IDE. For her purposes, I think it will be a fine machine for a few more years!

Thanks again!
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Your sis is getting a hell of an email machine!
 
lol I am going from a P4 @ 1.7GHz(no HT LOL) 512RD PC800 ram/AGP 9800pro 17" Trini CRT

To a temp E4300, I will oc it to 2.8GHz stock (ds3 rev 1.3) with 2GB DDR2 800 PC6400 and a temp XFX 8600GT + a 19" WS acer 1000:1 LCD, 5ms response, 16.7mil colors


:D I'll probably feint
 
I just buiit my super rig
Before in April 2003 I buiit my self the following.
P4 3.2ghz HT, 865GBF intel board.
2 gigs of regular Geil ram with PNY Geforce 6800GT

2 weeks ago i Just built QX6700 OC to 3.2ghz with Zalman 9700
Evga 680i SLI mobo
2X Evga 8800GTX SLI
2 gigs Corsair Dominator.

So yea its 7 to 10 times faster then a pentium 4 machine, I compare both machines by encoding a video.
 
from my 2600+ to my e4300 there is easily a 5-7x performance boost in everything i do.

the broads even bob faster :D
 
I do a lot of work on 2 machines.

one is

C2D X6800 @ 3.0GHz
2gb RAM
x1900xtx 512mb

The other is

P4 @ 4.0GHz
2gb RAM
x1950pro 256mb


Here's the deal.

For everyday computing, there is no discernable difference.

For games, there is a difference, but it's mostly due to the video card, not the CPU
The C2D will get you only minimally higher framerates (10-20%) if you are nearing the performance delta of your video card. if one is getting 60fps, and the other is getting 72, do you really think you can see a difference?

For intensive programs, a C2D blows a P4 out of the water. RAR times, compression of anything, heavy multitasking, etc. The C2D's performance is very noticeable in these kinds of situations.
 
Many games will perform similarly on a 1950pro whether on a p4 3.8 or an x6800. Framerates will be different, but not noticeably different.
 
bbz_Ghost said:
I think, and this is just me but I'm not alone, that if someone is interested in getting a new PC or building one, that's precisely what they need to do: get or build a new PC meaning stop using the old hardware and keep squeezing a bit more life out of it, just a bit more... one... last... frame... in... an... RPG... or... an... FPS... ugh

If you're going to do it, do it right and do it all brand new. In today's market, prices are so ridiculously low even today that not building an entirely new PC is simply another way of dumping more money into the old PC's components trying to wring that last gasp of performance or use from 'em.

I say go for it, and never look back - if you can afford it, that is. I understand that some people just can't afford a brand new machine top to bottom, and that's fine, do the best with what you have at the time you start building the "new" machine.

But if you can do it all brand new, totally absolutely go for it and don't even look back.
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That's what I did when I built my new rig. I was going to use some components from my old PC but in the end I decided against it. I got $450 for my old system minus the monitor, keyboard, and mouse. I just applied that to my new rig.
 
I hate to say wait, particularly regarding technology, but you should wait:)

The X38 chipset is due in Aug/Sept. That should drive P35 prices lower. You are like me, stuck with an AGP card and that is the biggest positive change you can make. The CPU will not have as much positive effect for games as the vid card although it will certainly help.

As much as I am dying to play Supreme Commander and C&C3 in uber glory, I can wait a little longer. My current rig has been upgraded to 1 gig of ram and that that help a bit. I have trouble with really hardcore graphics such as STALKER, etc but may games are still okay such as Tomb Raider Anniversay.

In fact, your IC7 is a generation newer than my IT7 and you graphics card is also a bit better than my 6600GT.

Unless you have ample money and are just dying to upgrade, give it at least until July and maybe until Sept:)

That's my $.02.
 
My X2 3600 at 2.7 whomps my old AXP3000 at 2.4Ghz at folding at home, and runs MUCH cooler. Not Intel nor is it even C2D but a comparable situation.
 
Meh, you'll notice a difference, but it won't be extreme.

I went from a PIII at 500mhz to an Opteron 165 OCed to 2.5ghz. Now THAT was an upgrade.
 
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