Where do you base that...the GTX is WAY more powerful than the 2900XT...and with time the XT will show it's age. If the GTX is already more powerful, how can you say that the XT will beat the GTX in the future.
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2900XT Ain't That Bad...
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Where do you base that...the GTX is WAY more powerful than the 2900XT...and with time the XT will show it's age. If the GTX is already more powerful, how can you say that the XT will beat the GTX in the future.
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I ment to say that to people buying it now the fact that the 8800 gts's were out for longer should be irrelevant. Price and power consumption are not though and given the fact that the HD 2900 consumes more power and cost more than the 8800 gts's that is a major reason most people shouldn't get one. I have a personal preference for ati cards but if I were buying a card now I would still go nvidia again. Partly because I would want the best mofo on the block (8800 ultra) and the fact that the 8800 620 could be had for $50 - $70 cheaper. I will pay up to a $30 premium for my prefered brand of choice (amd/ati) but any higher and I convince myself to do it.
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Hmmm, it kinda reflects the title doesn't it? And this is what the OP is saying. Damn, I don't remember nVidia getting crapped on as much on last few gen cards (6 and 7 Series).
"Ain't that bad" is still worse than it's direct competitor, the 8800 GTS 640, so pray tell me, why on earth would I buy one? Doesn't everyone want to get the most value for their money?
P.S. The 8800 isn't going to be "chugging" anytime soon. You people seem to think that just because something wasn't released yesterday, it's suddenly obsolete. That's crap. The 8800 GTX is such a TITAN that it will be going strong for years and years to come. It's the most powerful GPU ever sold in the consumer market. DX9.0c graphics are already approaching photo-realism. Here's a clue: Things aren't going to change that drastically in the coming years. Unreal 2011 will not look so different from UT07 as the original Unreal did. People in the know (i.e. game developers) have already gone on the record to state that DX10 isn't particularly ground breaking and won't be doing anything that was strictly "impossible" in DX9.
The 8800 was a powerhouse last November. It is a powerhouse now.
When Nvidia's next-gen architecture comes out, the 8800 will still be a powerhouse.
When ATI's next-gen architecture comes out, the 8800 will still be a powerhouse.
Get the picture? Get used to the GTX. It's not going anywhere soon. It may be the single most influential and long-standing hardware component EVER. You will be talking about this card to your grandkids.
P.S. The 8800 isn't going to be "chugging" anytime soon. You people seem to think that just because something wasn't released yesterday, it's suddenly obsolete. That's crap. The 8800 GTX is such a TITAN that it will be going strong for years and years to come. It's the most powerful GPU ever sold in the consumer market. DX9.0c graphics are already approaching photo-realism. Here's a clue: Things aren't going to change that drastically in the coming years. Unreal 2011 will not look so different from UT07 as the original Unreal did. People in the know (i.e. game developers) have already gone on the record to state that DX10 isn't particularly ground breaking and won't be doing anything that was strictly "impossible" in DX9.
The 8800 was a powerhouse last November. It is a powerhouse now.
When Nvidia's next-gen architecture comes out, the 8800 will still be a powerhouse.
When ATI's next-gen architecture comes out, the 8800 will still be a powerhouse.
Get the picture? Get used to the GTX. It's not going anywhere soon. It may be the single most influential and long-standing hardware component EVER. You will be talking about this card to your grandkids.
There should be an 8 series club.
ye.
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Your post is contradictory (I underlined the key components in your post). Everyone is entitled to do with their money as they see fit. And it will not change because you feel differently. Also, the IQ has improved since the new driver release. But you wouldn't know that if you do not own the card. Unless someone tells you about the updates you would continue making opinions based on a old driver sometime ago (reason why opinions like the one you post should be more internal then external).
Here's the problem in a nut shell:
-It's ok to base your opinion on reviews, etc as a reason not to buy a product.
-However, if you don't own the product...trying to tell someone else it's not worth buying (in a thread were the OP is giving his impression of the HD 2900 XT) is done in poor taste.
That's what matters...
The more I read this thread the more I feel like I'm watching Laguna Beach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgW5M08GQ8c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgW5M08GQ8c
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Well you can say what you want about the 2900XT but considering it is benchmarking with in 3 to 5 FPS to the 8800GTX in the CoH and CoJ time demos. Which are basically the only DX10 benchmarks we have to compare the two series of cards (LP just doesnt count, I dont care what anyone says), its not doing to bad.
The Vista multi monitor support is leaps ahead of Nvidia, not having to reboot my computer to get in to crossfire (ie SLI) is a major advantage for me and my wants.
And you know thinking about it all the ATI owners should head on over to the Nvidia section and just start posting random comments about the 2900XT there. Because you know it wouldn't be off topic it would just be giving and alternative opinion.
The Vista multi monitor support is leaps ahead of Nvidia, not having to reboot my computer to get in to crossfire (ie SLI) is a major advantage for me and my wants.
And you know thinking about it all the ATI owners should head on over to the Nvidia section and just start posting random comments about the 2900XT there. Because you know it wouldn't be off topic it would just be giving and alternative opinion.
I hope you were only referring to ^eMpTy^ , and not the rest of us that drop in here into the "foreign" ATI forum just to see what the other side is doing. Since people seem to have a short memory, its easy to forget that people that bought FXs acted the same way as people are acting now.
Let's have a brief recap of the last 7 months:
GF8 arrives and ATI fanboy shouts to the heavens that R600 will destroy GF8 and that people should not waste their money just yet. R600 arrives, but parent announces that it will only compete with the GTX's little brother. That is why nVidia fanboy is flaming the 2900xt. I'm getting a good kick out of it too.
I'm not going to knock the 2900xt for being loud or hot (been there, done that with a 1900xtx). I will knock it for the same reasons Dan_D did, that being it's 6 months late to the party and it costs more than an "old" GTS.
As for you calling anyone biased, tell me, why should we believe the OP over Hardocp's review? I won't even get into ATI's UVD fiasco.
Normally I don't post in these types of threads, but when the hell was the last time you used a sli setup? I didn't need to reboot (old comp, long since passed on) since the 8x.xx series drivers came out.
For the record:
1. Owned almost all ati cards since I could afford to buy them.
2. Picked a x1950xtx over the 7950gx2 because of ati.
3. This card blows hard, and the performance made me so angry I've since picked up a 8800gtx, and am totally blown away.
Are you a little bit behind? the 2900 isn't faster..
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Now here I thought that the image quality of both ATi and nVidia were about equal with the 2900XT out now. This is not true?
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Vista, my old 7800gtx sli system had to be rebooted to enable and disable under Vista. The 8800 series under Vista needs to be rebooted to enable and disable also.
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Ramon, the capacity for reaching an independent judgement is an everyday necessity, why should it be otherwise when the item under consideration is a video card? There are a great many people whose opinions and viewpoints I respect and give great weight to, both here at [H] and at some other places, but I don't just believe any old Billy Bubblebrain or Timmy Tokealot I happen to 'google' upon on the net. Someone here said,
"...everyone knows the 2900 XT is *not* a good buy. So when you show up on a forum and try to claim otherwise, you should expect everyone to tell you you're an idiot."
Well, "Everyone" doesn't work my hours, earn my keep, or pay my bills, so "everyone" isn't invited into my decision. Parenthetically, that portion of "everyone" that thinks it has a right to demand I accept its Borgian views can collectively kiss my southbridge. Returning to topic, I remain of the opinion that it is a mistake to take a position for or against a product when I haven't had time to use it the way I employ hardware. To do otherwise is slipshod thinking. So money to mouth, I bought the 2900XT; for the hands-on experience to see if it really were the offense to humanity it has been portrayed to be. Also, when I do speculate, I make it clear that is ALL it is: speculation. Someone accused me of spreading disinformation. That's a pretty strong accusation, one that is very much out of line and uncalled for; I bought the card specifically so I wouldn't be spreading misinformation. My methodology applied to my rig results in my opinions and observations on my rig. If thinking away from the majority consensus is mistaken, then you've elevated me into exalted company, indeed; Columbus, Copernicus, Newton, and on.
Thanks to everyone who, whether you agreed with me or disagreed, appreciate what I'm trying to talk about with you.
All I can say is I RMA's my HD2900XT to Newegg yesterday due to poor performance amoung other things. Is it a bad card? Well I would have to say YES unless you are upgrading from a X800 or older card and don't mind paying too much for a card. I guess I should have kept the 8800GTX all along.......
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Hey R1ckCa1n, could you tell me what aspects of performance were lacking? What games, settings, and such. I'd like to know your specific thoughts in that regard. Regards!
Professional applications such as the latest version of Maya and 3D Studio Max can already make use of Tessellation I believe. The libraries are most certainly already there in OpenGL. I haven't seen anyone post about how awesome their 2900XT is for professional work.
If the Tessellation engine in the R600 made that big of a difference then you would most definitely see mention of this blowing the Quadro out of the water for increased productivity over time for those working on these applications.
Edit: DirectX 9 supports tessellation, and this even mentions that DirectX 8 had it as well. Are game programmers supposed to write specifically to support the TruForm engine instead of offloading the work onto the CPU? It doesn't seem like the R600 will take over tessellation from the CPU automatically.
We're already bottlenecked by the graphics card at super high resolutions and in DX10 games(read: CoH, the only complete game out as of my time/date of posting) so the only possible gain I can imagine from this is image quality if the R600 does it superior to software tessellation.
Here are the main reasons I returned the card.
1. Performance at 1920x1200 is not that much better than my X1950 to justify the cost. The 8800GTX was MUCH faster.
2. IQ was nothing to get excited, mainly while gaming. Again, no noticeable improvement.
3. Fan was getting the best of me. Nothing like it reving up while at the desktop......
4. Was not very stable for long gaming sessions. Many times I would end up with total lock-ups.
I get the feeling this card was not ready for prime time but AMD had no choice but to release the card. As much as I wanted this card to work at the end of the day this AMD loyalist couldn't justify the money.
End result, I bought a 8800GTS 640 yesterday and can tell a noticable improvement in speed and IQ; with later being more important and apparent.
It's not contradictory, just because a product does it's job fairly well doesn't mean it doesn't as good as the competition and at it's price, I don't think it's a good buy. I'm mearly throwing my opinion out there just like everyone else in the thread. Agree with it or don't, I don' t care.
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i was gonna buy the 2900xt if it was faster than the 8800gts but its such a flop i don't even want it for the ~$340 bestbuy has it for right now,
For $340 it's not that bad of a deal honestly. At the original price I'd say no way. Being on par with the 8800GTS is fine, but really the higher heat output and power usage is still a big turn off to me.
they need to just slash the prices on it and take their lumps. Maybe a refresh will make it more online with the GTS but atm no way it should be going for $300 much less $340. More like $250-60 so you have some $$ to get a 750 watt PSU to run ONE of those lol.
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They just need to stick it in a time machine and release it a year ago.
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Dude, you have a 1.2KW PSU, I think you have enough juice.
Yeah I do, but that's not the point. I'm just comparing it with the 8800GTS. I am not in the market for a video card right now. My X1950Pros, 8800GTS and 8800GTX's are all serving my needs just fine right now. I have no reason to buy a Hd 2900XT at present, but if I did, I probably would choose the 8800GTS 640MB at that price point.
All my machines have high end enough PSUs and I have quite a few that I'm not even using. Even so, heat is of concern to me as I've got alot of machines running in a small room and therefore anytime I can get something that runs cooler I will provided I don't have to give up performance.
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Lets break down where and why this thread is filled with Nvidia owners ranting and raving.
1. OK, I know every troll will come out from under his bridge packing a flamethrower when I tramp, tramp, tramp along saying this, but here we go anywho:
----Not much here, other the past experance with other HD2900XT post
----No real reason for anyone to argue with him
2. I've had my Sapphire HD 2900XT for a little over a week now and it ain't that bad. To hear people before talk, I was thinking my system and exhaust temps would be enough to bake bread, but neither have budged since adding this card. It's running along at a 58c average, never breaking 70 when gaming.
----Again he read reviews and other post and was bracing for the worst
----Again he tells the truth the card is hot but not hot enough to catch the drapes on fire.
----No real reason for anyone to argue with him
3. Then the noise issue: there isn't one. Does the noise come with a voucher, as well? I can't hear the card except for a few seconds at boot, then it tones down.
----Again he read reviews and other post and was bracing for the worst
----No real reason for anyone to argue with him
4. As for performance, it beats the snot out of the X1900XT's I was using before it, both in speed and image quality.
----Truthful statment it is faster then the x1900xt.
----Image quality is subjective, could be argued but really what is the point
5. I bought the card on May 31 and installed the 8.37.4.* driver, then uninstalled, and installed the 8.38 driver on June 1, and there was a noticable improvement.
----Truthfull statment the 8.38 (not the leaked RC7 version) driver release on the 1st (actually 31st) improved the performance, especially in Oblivion.
6. To sum up, I hate to disappoint anyone, but I'm liking this card a damn lot.
----Most people that have bought it like it, some havent and returned it.
----We can argue what people like but that is about as helpfull as telling Rosie O'Donnel not to saying stupid shit.
7. I'm reminded of a quote from Monty Python and the Holy Grail (and you'd best stop at this parenthetical if you don't care for MP. It's stupid, yes, but also entirely germaine to the issue because of that fact), when brave Brave Sir Robin says to... Tim, in reference to the evil beast that awaited them:
"You stupid sod! You got us all worked up for nothing. I soiled my armor, I was so scared!"
----Come on really everyone loves Monty Python
+++++Summary++++
There is nothing here to warrent every Nvidia owner to crawl out of the wood work and post the same shit that has been posted in every other thread.
There is something here for other HD2900XT to post "cool glad you like your new card"
EDIT: By the way Glad you like your card
I also have an X2900XT and have had it for about 3 weeks now, the noise levels are good, its quieter than my freezer 7 pro cpu cooler when it speeds up during games, temperatures are good, and the performance is fantastic, totally whoops my friends 7800 BFG OC SLI setup in DX9 games.
As for the 8800 series cards, it has better performance than the sub £240 cards (which is the price i paid for it) and the performance seems to be on par with the £280 region nvidia line up - asides from lost planet, which is an nvidia released game that ATI didnt get to see before launch.
I cant wait until I get another one in Crossfire for less than the price of an 8800 ultra and blow its framerate scores away by upto 30-40%
Previously I have always had Nvidia, and I am extremely impressed by the image quality of this card, a very noticeable difference between the two. I look forward to using the x2900's 1080p + surround sound HDMI output!
So, moral of the story, dont listen to all of Nvidia's claims - and their supporters, the ATI is a good card and excellent value for money as per usual, hats off to you ATI.
Regards,
Gilj
(This is not a dig at nvidia it is an informative post letting users know that the x2900XT is a good card with great value for money)
As for the 8800 series cards, it has better performance than the sub £240 cards (which is the price i paid for it) and the performance seems to be on par with the £280 region nvidia line up - asides from lost planet, which is an nvidia released game that ATI didnt get to see before launch.
I cant wait until I get another one in Crossfire for less than the price of an 8800 ultra and blow its framerate scores away by upto 30-40%
Previously I have always had Nvidia, and I am extremely impressed by the image quality of this card, a very noticeable difference between the two. I look forward to using the x2900's 1080p + surround sound HDMI output!
So, moral of the story, dont listen to all of Nvidia's claims - and their supporters, the ATI is a good card and excellent value for money as per usual, hats off to you ATI.
Regards,
Gilj
(This is not a dig at nvidia it is an informative post letting users know that the x2900XT is a good card with great value for money)
Sorry but nope. Very stupid to post something like that, IMO.
8800GTX/GTS beats the 2900XT almost all the time. If you can't leave posts that are relevant please don't post at all.
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Do you have one? No, you don't.
XT beats GTS in Oblivion.
There is quite a large amount of stupidity in this thread, and at 319.99, the XT is the more appealing choice.
If you aren't afraid to overclock, don't worry about the extra heat/power draw, the XT is not bad.
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Thats like a 5fps increase in one game, while the XT gets owned in every other game.
That isn't a very good argument for anyone to buy the XT.
That isn't a very good argument for anyone to buy the XT.