AMD Brisbane or Windor core?

Ok Members,

I have the X2 3800 F3 stepping coming with 2gig of ddr2 800 Skil Ram also. I will be using the I DFI Infinity NF Ultra II-M2 motherboard that is on its way. I got a deal at $47.00 for the board in the retail box. DFI already sent me the Bios chip to me for the Brisbane chip so it could boot to it and I didn’t even have the board yet But I decided to go for the F3 so Hopefully 2.9mhz at least on stock cooling  I will be using my new ATi x1950 pro I had for a few weeks now.


Duane MI
 
Dueyat35 said:
But I decided to go for the F3 so Hopefully 2.9mhz at least on stock cooling  I will be using my new ATi x1950 pro I had for a few weeks now.


Duane MI
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We'll see how far you can push it with prime stability; decent aftermarket air coolers aren't expensive, so if you're looking for a little more it isn't going to cost you much.
 
quadnad said:
We'll see how far you can push it with prime stability; decent aftermarket air coolers aren't expensive, so if you're looking for a little more it isn't going to cost you much.
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I grabbed a AC Freezer 64 Pro when they were at Newegg for $20 shipped or so. Great little cooler for the price.
 
well I think my motherboard's chipset holds me back a bit, but with my X2 4200+ windsor, I was able to run stable at 2.75ghz with an Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 with idle temps of 34C and load temps of 45C. I could overclock to around 2.85, but loading windows became unstable and the system restarted on itself while loading windows.
 
kirbyrj said:
I grabbed a AC Freezer 64 Pro when they were at Newegg for $20 shipped or so. Great little cooler for the price.
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And thats exactly the cooler I was thinking of when I posted that :D

AMD_RULES said:
well I think my motherboard's chipset holds me back a bit, but with my X2 4200+ windsor, I was able to run stable at 2.75ghz with an Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 with idle temps of 34C and load temps of 45C. I could overclock to around 2.85, but loading windows became unstable and the system restarted on itself while loading windows.
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That's because it isn't an F3. The windsor core by itself doesn't mean anything; it's the F3 stepping that does the magic.
 
Here in sweden i found some weird OPN codes...
the x2 3800+ with OPN ADO3800CZBOX are out of stock everywhere
but in several shops they have a version with OPN ADO3800CSBOX.

What is that? a typo maybe?
 
Over on XS, a guy says that:

CZ > DD (Brisbane) > CS > CU

Most of the CPU's I've used are either Brisbane or CUBOX.
 
Swifty said:
Here in sweden i found some weird OPN codes...
the x2 3800+ with OPN ADO3800CZBOX are out of stock everywhere
but in several shops they have a version with OPN ADO3800CSBOX.

What is that? a typo maybe?
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kirbyrj said:
Over on XS, a guy says that:

CZ > DD (Brisbane) > CS > CU

Most of the CPU's I've used are either Brisbane or CUBOX.
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The CZs are F3 stepping procs. Hit up amdcompare.com, go to desktop, then select F3 under stepping. It'll give you all the F3 OPNs.
 
quadnad said:
The CZs are F3 stepping procs. Hit up amdcompare.com, go to desktop, then select F3 under stepping. It'll give you all the F3 OPNs.
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Cool...so are they hard to find or something? It seems like every X2 I've played around with has been CU :(.
 
kirbyrj said:
Cool...so are they hard to find or something? It seems like every X2 I've played around with has been CU :(.
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I've never had any trouble finding the F3s; even when Newegg didn't carry the best value 3800 X2 F3s (finally they do) you could always get them from ZipZoomFly or elsewhere...

I just copy/paste the OPN I want into Newegg, Google, Nextag, etc. and you'll find the exact proc you want in no time.
 
Ok, so far I'm at 2.6ghz with this chip, ram running at 867 or something like that on a divider. Very happy with this ram as it happily ran at 1000 at 5,5,5,15. Going for more on the cpu obviously, just doing Orthos making sure it is stable. Cpu runs at 44C at full load, and this room is about 30C ambient.

I have a question though, being new to DDR2 and all, do I run 2t or 1t command rate?

Thanks!
 
Docmhz said:
Ok, so far I'm at 2.6ghz with this chip, ram running at 867 or something like that on a divider. Very happy with this ram as it happily ran at 1000 at 5,5,5,15. Going for more on the cpu obviously, just doing Orthos making sure it is stable. Cpu runs at 44C at full load, and this room is about 30C ambient.

I have a question though, being new to DDR2 and all, do I run 2t or 1t command rate?

Thanks!
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Just the same as with DDR1, you'll want to run a 1T command rate for the best performance. Have you seen how far the processor will go by itself? (i.e. taking the RAM out of the equation by running a massive divider and dropping the ht link multiplier)
 
im only running at 2.5 ghz (250x10) but I was able to boot into windows and run stable at 2.70 ghz (270x10)... Anything after 2.75 on my system becomes unstable
Memory is set at 4-4-4-12 2T running at 500mhz
Im gonna go back and up my cpu later on
 
quadnad said:
Just the same as with DDR1, you'll want to run a 1T command rate for the best performance. Have you seen how far the processor will go by itself? (i.e. taking the RAM out of the equation by running a massive divider and dropping the ht link multiplier)
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Not yet, I haven't had a lot of time to play around with it yet. Also, I'm having a hard time flashing to the latest bios, as they only have a method that uses a floppy. I haven't had a floppy drive in 3-4 years.
 
Docmhz said:
Not yet, I haven't had a lot of time to play around with it yet. Also, I'm having a hard time flashing to the latest bios, as they only have a method that uses a floppy. I haven't had a floppy drive in 3-4 years.
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Do you know the max HTT your board will do?
 
Not yet, working on it. I really think I need to get the bios updated, as the one I have currently is from 9/06 and I see a P35 bios dated 5/07.
 
Well, I got the P34 bios loaded finally. Why in the world would they make it damn near impossible to flash your bios without a floppy? Anyways, off to find max HTT. If anyone can get the p35 bios .bin file, I'd love to flash to that one.

Thanks

Not going well finding max HTT, system will not go above 250, with the lowest divider set and HT set to 1x. Am I doing something wrong?
 
Will be getting one of these two processors. What i am looking for is the abilty to to get to 2.2 ghz and above with little to no hassle on retail cooling for the near future.
Motherboard
Ram
Right now I have the 3800 windsor in mind (why no 4200's)

Also, any chance that the prices for the other f3 cores will come down anytime soon?

Any advice would be of great help
Thanks
Rab
 
The F3 3800 I've got listed a few posts up would be perfect. You won't have any problem overclocking it.
 
260 is max HTT it seems, kinda disappointed. What kind of voltage bump should I be trying?
 
Docmhz said:
260 is max HTT it seems, kinda disappointed. What kind of voltage bump should I be trying?
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wow...that doesn't sound all that hot at all.

Since you already know that your max stable HTT is only 260, I'd crank her up to 260 and see what the stability is. If the processor isn't stable, then just bump up the voltage the smallest increment allowed in the BIOS and test again.
 
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=203137

^-- brisbane. I had my sempron running at 3000, I installed this chip, and immediately booted up at 2800-2900mhz based on the FSB of my overclock on the sempron with the new 9.5 multiplier.

Some motherboards are finicky.. as is mine.. instead of running the ram all the way down, try all the different settings.. same with the ht. Mine wouldn't post all the way down testing the CPU by itself, but it would test just fine at 500mhz mem, and either 400 or 600 ht link..

Unfortunately, my ram doesn't like anymore than 440mhz or so, so it gets unstable past that, even tho it will boot into windows just fine all the way up to 3.2ghz just won't hold 6 hour stress test (more like 30 seconds before mem BSOD).. wish I could get more out of my ram, I'd get more out of my CPU ;) That 10x multiplier would be nice for that purpose alone, but I can work around the 9.5, and this thing seems to scream. It benchmarks very well in sandra (if that holds any importance to you)..

If I had to do it again, I would still choose the Brisbane.

Peace,
Josh
 
Well,

Im not sure what Im doing wrong as I know how to over clock my 754 to 2.6.


The f3 steppind winsdor 3800 I got today just up and running and I can't even get the bios to post at 250.

What are the Voltages supposed to be fixed at on the 65W F3 winsdoe as I know the board I have is one of the best overclockers So I am doing somwething wrong here and I have 2gig Skill ddr800.

Any help would be appreciated.


I am looking into it now what is the HT voltage?


thanks Duane MI 754 club also
 
AMD_RULES said:
although I have a X2 4200+, i have my HTT at 339mhz.....try upping your HTT and lowering the multiplier

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=203352
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Wait a second, perhaps I misunderstood what DocMhz was saying; I thought he was saying that he could only get his board to do 260, I didn't think he had is proc running at its stock multiplier.

If that is the case, then just bump up the vcore by the smallest increment allowed in your BIOS and see what that nets you. On good air, as long as temps are in check, .2v should be the highest over stock you should go.

EDIT: if anyone is having trouble overclocking, this is the guide to read.
 
Ok here are the settings at 2400Mhz

I am having a hard time with the 3800 windsor 3800 F3 stepping I just got it together today. right now I am at 22400 24X10 ht x4 cpu voltage 1.4 gskill 2.0 volts ddr800


I have HT link at x4


Should I lower cpu ratio? its at X10


Thanks


Duane
 
Dueyat35 said:
Ok here are the settings at 2400Mhz
I am having a hard time with the 3800 windsor 3800 F3 stepping I just got it together today. right now I am at 22400 24X10 ht x4 cpu voltage 1.4 gskill 2.0 volts ddr800
I have HT link at x4
Should I lower cpu ratio? its at X10
Thanks
Duane
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Duane, I'd recommend having a look at the guide I posted up above in order to get you to your stable overclock. It isn't a lengthy or difficult guide to manage through, rather it's one that allows you to find the individual maximum speeds of each component you have.

For example, through the guide you would find the maximum stable HTT speed your motherboard could do, the maximum speed your processor could do, and the maximum speed your RAM could do. That way you can combine the maximum speeds in a way which will lead to your maximum stable overclock.

Going through the guide would eliminate the situation you're in right now, where you have no idea whether it's your RAM, motherboard, or processor holding you back (although I can guarantee it isn't your proc).
 
quadnad said:
Duane, I'd recommend having a look at the guide I posted up above in order to get you to your stable overclock. It isn't a lengthy or difficult guide to manage through, rather it's one that allows you to find the individual maximum speeds of each component you have.

For example, through the guide you would find the maximum stable HTT speed your motherboard could do, the maximum speed your processor could do, and the maximum speed your RAM could do. That way you can combine the maximum speeds in a way which will lead to your maximum stable overclock.

Going through the guide would eliminate the situation you're in right now, where you have no idea whether it's your RAM, motherboard, or processor holding you back (although I can guarantee it isn't your proc).
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Yes Im reading it right now I printed it out. I wasn't sure what the base cpu voltage was on the am2 proc.

thanks for the quick reply in the posts
Thanks qua
 
Dueyat35 said:
Yes Im reading it right now I printed it out. I wasn't sure what the base cpu voltage was on the am2 proc.

thanks for the quick reply in the posts
Thanks qua
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If you're interested in finding any specification information about any processor AMD makes, go to this site and find your processor by selecting the corresponding drop-down selections. Then click "view details" next to the processor you want information on, and you'll find what you need.

EDIT: I just wanted to point something out that is probably really obvious, but the only issue with that guide is the fact that it's using DDR RAM versus DDR2 RAM. So the timings on your RAM will be a bit higher stock, and the speeds will look different in the BIOS, but the same divider/timing/speed principles are at work with all types of RAM.
 
quadnad said:
Wait a second, perhaps I misunderstood what DocMhz was saying; I thought he was saying that he could only get his board to do 260, I didn't think he had is proc running at its stock multiplier.

If that is the case, then just bump up the vcore by the smallest increment allowed in your BIOS and see what that nets you. On good air, as long as temps are in check, .2v should be the highest over stock you should go.

EDIT: if anyone is having trouble overclocking, this is the guide to read.
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You did not misunderstand, I haven't had any luck above 260, and that's with all the multipliers at their lowest. I will keep trying.
 
Docmhz said:
You did not misunderstand, I haven't had any luck above 260, and that's with all the multipliers at their lowest. I will keep trying.
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ok, just checking. don't want any misinformation flying around.

Did you finally manage to get the latest BIOS shoehorned onto your system?
 
Hi,


What are the temps for the Am2 F3 winsdor average stable. I am showing 57Celcius at 2.6 MHZ 1.40 volts


thanks

I am trying to get it stable beyond 2.6


Duane
 
Ok here ar my cpuz I have to kepp it at 400 divider and X3 HT for some reason I had to up my Dram voltage to 2.3 and my memory is not even over clocked? I am running G-skill ddr2800 5-5-5-15.

I think something is wrong with the memory or something. The only thing I reall had to increase besides the cpu Core was the Dram at 270 could someone tell me why? And it won't let me do the 533 devider even at 250 X 10?

cpuz1.jpg


cpuzmem.jpg
 
quadnad said:
ok, just checking. don't want any misinformation flying around.

Did you finally manage to get the latest BIOS shoehorned onto your system?
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Yes, I had to write the .bin to a bootable cd.

Does the northbridge need better cooling? It seems to get very hot, even at stock speeds.
 
Docmhz said:
Yes, I had to write the .bin to a bootable cd.

Does the northbridge need better cooling? It seems to get very hot, even at stock speeds.
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It could very well be your chipset; you should see if bumps in chipset voltage have an effect on your max htt. What a bummer though that your mobo is holding you back..
 
Hello,

well I got new ddr 800 to try out today as recomended for this board Im using. what is the highest mhx so far for this chip?

I will post my overclock soon in the overclock board.


Duane
 
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