Gateway FPD2485W - 24" HD LCD

TalonMan said:
For what it is worth, I also think that allot of the display issues reported, are being caused by the massive amount of pixels your video hardware has to move to keep this 24" display happy. I know in the PC world they want a dedicated 250MB minimum just for smooth video on an HD setup, or you will have video problems. I only have a Playstation II myself. I dont know how much dedicated video ram the latest and greatest game machines have built in.

I would like to see every post that has a video quality issue to list at a minimum the machine running the monitor, and the connection method. This would help us look for a pattern of poor performance in certain combonations.
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Got some pretty annoying video ghosting.

Monitor is connected to my pc with this Belkin Dual Link DVI cable

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812123021

Also tried the supplied DVI and VGA cables that came with the monitor.

Still has the problem.

Computer pushing it is:

Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
EVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
ZALMAN 9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series
Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150
SAMSUNG Black 18X IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology
eVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3
OCZ GameXStream 700W Power Supply 100
 
Jball said:
Ferris,

I reread my post and realized it didnt make sense. (Sorry bout that) Can you save this image to desktop, open it in a viewer in a small window and move it around your desktop. at a good steady speed, not real fast.

Anything strange happening? If not, congratulations..

Also, Im curious, you may have posted already, but what card are you running on, and are you using 1:1?

Thanx,

jball
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After reading this I was more than curious so....

I saved the image to my desktop.
I reopened it in a small window using the Windows Picture & Fax Viewer
I then moved the Picture across the desktop and.......no flicker

I will say I did need to go into: My Computer / Properties / Advanced Tab / Performance Settings and then CHECK the "Show Window Contents While Dragging" option.
I normally have this option unchecked. As a matter of fact I normally have all options in this menu UNCHECKED as they only provide minor enhancements to the cosmetic look of Windows.
Besides I fail to see the use or purpose to see, let alone read, the contents of window as I move it around my desktop.

If you are not familiar with this option: While UNCHECKED the contents of a Window will disappear and only the outline is shown so you can position it. When you stop moving the Window the contents return.

For whatever it is worth I also tried the same test, using the same image, on the desk top using my Westinghouse 37" and....same result....no flicker.

In closing I want to say that I trully respect and feel for the buyers who are having such issues and hope they can find resolution. But I also want to state that since it is not happening on my monitor, it is not happening on all monitors.

Best to all.

JMD

VisionTek ATI X1950 PRO 256 meg (AGP no less)
 
I want to post this because I think it's funny and also because I hope this is something that everyone else notices.

My monitor is a Nov monitor. I've seen the posts on the bleeding, ghosting and what not. I see that mine isn't as perfect with it's 1 dead pixel and the 1080p issue with the 360. And that's because I put it on widescreen mode.

But tonight I noticed something...

Nemo had trailing. Especially off of Dory, I've seen that movie 1000 or more times on my analog tv and I noticed the black trailing Dory but not by much. At 1st I said that it's my vision. But my wife confirmed it. Black trailed Dory but by less than a second. But I noticed it.

The funny part comes when I played older movies on the VGA cable with the 1920x1080 resolution and everything was fine. No problems what so ever. Now, my gaming doesn't have the ghosting and the trailing at all.

Could it be different contents that triggers these imperfections? I played movies that aren't supposed to be in the "HD" or "Digital" categories by far.

Right now I'm watching Donnie Darko with the VGA and it looks fine to me. And I'm sitting about 3-4 feet away from the monitor.VGA set to 1920x1080.
 
wasteomind said:
Got some pretty annoying video ghosting.

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX
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Thanks for the post.

I see the NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX has:
Memory
Number of Memory Slots 4×240pin
Memory Standard DDR2 1200
Maximum Memory Supported 8GB
Dual Channel Supported Yes

Looks like you have plenty of card to me..... :)

I can say I havent noticed any bad flicker problem on mine. The only quality related issue I have is the low lit parts of HD DVD movies. It not horible, and still keep the faith that the right calabration between Windows properties, NVIDIA's options, and the Gateway's built in settings, the magic combo will emerge for me.

I still would like to know if there is 'best' setting for the 4 options under NVIDIA’s Control panel. Use NVIDIA scaling, Use NVIDIA scaling with fixed-aspect ratio, Use my display’s built-in scaling, and Do not scale.
I keep the monitor on 1:1.
 
deeplove said:
Could it be different contents that triggers these imperfections? I played movies that aren't supposed to be in the "HD" or "Digital" categories by far.
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This is definitely true. I got an HDTV box from Comcast today and fired it up. The SD channels upscaled and stretched to something like 1700x1280 are interlaced and look like ass. They also exhibit quite a bit of ghosting and banding. Some look better than others depending on the quality of the source recording and feed. The HD channels on the other hand at 1080p look simply amazing. Almost no ghosting or banding at all. I had a really good opportunity to test this since HBO has been running King Kong non-stop and the HD and SD versions run simultaneously on consecutive channels. Just flip the channel to see the massive difference.

Seems to make sense I guess, with the lower resolution/interlacing and difference in colors from pixel to pixel, there's more transition in color that needs to take place over the same amount of space. 1080p on the other hand has higher resolution and progressive scan so the transition in color for adjacent pixels will be much closer. For banding and gradients, there's more colors in the same area making that transition in color so less chance to see discrete transitions.

I didn't notice much ghosting or banding in DVD movies, and cable HDTV is definitely a huge step-up in image quality. Also, I just wanted to say, 24" 1920x1200 with 1:1 mapping and lots of inputs is where everyone who likes techy toys and HD/HT/PC/Console stuff needs to be. All the console people already know what I'm talking about....but if you're in the market for a new LCD and you got a bunch of stuff that's HD capable, you really need to look at a 1080p capable monitor. Now to find a good deal on a PS3 or XBox360....this is the first tech toy I've bought in a long time that has had such a huge impact as a tech-enabler.
 
Jball said:
Ferris,

I reread my post and realized it didnt make sense. (Sorry bout that) Can you save this image to desktop, open it in a viewer in a small window and move it around your desktop. at a good steady speed, not real fast.

Anything strange happening? If not, congratulations..

Also, Im curious, you may have posted already, but what card are you running on, and are you using 1:1?

Lastly, Have you ever viewed a DLP display for a long period of time? Are you sensitive to DLP rainbows or get headaches when viewing a DLP image? I ask, because I am sensitive to the DLP rainbow effect, not everyone is. I was wondering if this issue somehow relates to one another.

Thanx,

jball
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I just tried it again and the image really does nothing. The texture pattern remains sharp and steady. I see DLP rainbows, but do not get headaches. Personally I can't stand DLP. I am using an ATI 1900 XTX running 1:1 1920x1200. I can't understand how that image causes any issue on other displays but if it does, that sucks. Seriously though on mine it just does nothing. I've looked for reasons to return this display (I'm a return freak), but for 588.00 + tax out the door, I really have found none.
 
chizow said:
This is definitely true. I got an HDTV box from Comcast today and fired it up. The SD channels upscaled and stretched to something like 1700x1280 are interlaced and look like ass. They also exhibit quite a bit of ghosting and banding. Some look better than others depending on the quality of the source recording and feed. The HD channels on the other hand at 1080p look simply amazing. Almost no ghosting or banding at all. I had a really good opportunity to test this since HBO has been running King Kong non-stop and the HD and SD versions run simultaneously on consecutive channels. Just flip the channel to see the massive difference.

Seems to make sense I guess, with the lower resolution/interlacing and difference in colors from pixel to pixel, there's more transition in color that needs to take place over the same amount of space. 1080p on the other hand has higher resolution and progressive scan so the transition in color for adjacent pixels will be much closer. For banding and gradients, there's more colors in the same area making that transition in color so less chance to see discrete transitions.

I didn't notice much ghosting or banding in DVD movies, and cable HDTV is definitely a huge step-up in image quality. Also, I just wanted to say, 24" 1920x1200 with 1:1 mapping and lots of inputs is where everyone who likes techy toys and HD/HT/PC/Console stuff needs to be. All the console people already know what I'm talking about....but if you're in the market for a new LCD and you got a bunch of stuff that's HD capable, you really need to look at a 1080p capable monitor. Now to find a good deal on a PS3 or XBox360....this is the first tech toy I've bought in a long time that has had such a huge impact as a tech-enabler.
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After last night and a couple of Non HD movies, I noticed the trailing and ghosting off certain movies. Like I said, Finding Nemo showed some trailing but when I played the Shining...Nothing. Anime also, it's fine. My games GOW and RS Vegas...Small ghosting on RS Vegas. Nothing to turn the monitor in for.

HD content looks Fantastic on this monitor.

Now, I know I asked about using the monitor on Widescreen Mode and HD and I played around with it. Though I noticed the difference, which was a little, 720p in Widescreen worked nicely. No lines or what not. I think it is a MS and 360 issue playing Widescreen & 1080p.

I played both GOW & RS Vegas on Widescreen with 720p and the games looked 10x better than my older analog tv and better than my brothers 1080i tv. I'm impressed.

Certain content will show the defects on the monitor, but I think it's totally minimal coampared to the bargain that this monitor is.

:D

Now, later on I'll be buying a video card to use the DVI so I expect nothing short of Incredible. Off the VGA it looks nice so I can only imagine. But this thread has taught me a couple of things and I appreciate that you guys give off some great information on these products.

If it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't have thought about buying a PC monitor for my daily HD use.

I recommend this Gateway to the people looking for a inexpensive fix to a HD display.
 
I noticed bad trailing when viewing default phpbb forums, it leaves a pinkish trail that looks just awful.

http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=500954


Scroll down fast and see if its there(holding the side bar and moving gives a better result), this and the smearing on Supreme Commander when I zoom in and out real fast(black trail around units) is driving me nuuuuuuuuuuuts. If I exchnge mine thru gateway will I get the same results ? I could wait at least another month just to be sure they would be shipping an earlier model.
 
Juic3 said:
I noticed bad trailing when viewing default phpbb forums, it leaves a pinkish trail that looks just awful.

http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=500954


Scroll down fast and see if its there(holding the side bar and moving gives a better result), this and the smearing on Supreme Commander when I zoom in and out real fast(black trail around units) is driving me nuuuuuuuuuuuts. If I exchnge mine thru gateway will I get the same results ? I could wait at least another month just to be sure they would be shipping an earlier model.
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Mine definitely does NOT do that as you described......
 
Mine doesn't either. Either some of use got diamonds in the rough or others just got some really shit displays. I'm starting to feel like a Gateway !!!!!! but seriously, I just don't have the issues some of you mention.
 
This exchanged display is pretty bad.

Last night I was really noticing the black smearing too while gaming. Going from the 21" to the 24" in one day will really illustrate the panel differences, at least to me.

So, to answer another previous question about configs:

I have a 7900 GTO 512MB, connected through DVI, 1:1
 
I have an odd question for the more knowledgeable among us:

In the past if a CRT's refresh rate setting determined the maximum times per second the screen could be re drawn.

And, any frames per second your video card delivered above that refresh rate would be over kill or a surplus……

How do we determine the over kill point with an LCD at 60 hz if we are using response time of 6ms instead of normal refresh rate?

Best

JMD

Also...if a train leaves Boston at 6:00 going 55 MPH and ......
 
JMD FLA said:
I have an odd question for the more knowledgeable among us:

In the past if a CRT's refresh rate setting determined the maximum times per second the screen could be re drawn.

And, any frames per second your video card delivered above that refresh rate would be over kill or a surplus……

How do we determine the over kill point with an LCD at 60 hz if we are using response time of 6ms instead of normal refresh rate?

Best

JMD

Also...if a train leaves Boston at 6:00 going 55 MPH and ......
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Your target FPS would be no different than a 60Hz CRT. Ideally your minimum frame rates don't drop below 60 FPS, your max and avg. can be anything above 60+, so enabling Vsync (recommended on larger displays to avoid texture tearing) would result in a fixed 60 FPS always. So there's really no "overkill" until your minimum FPS are above your refresh rate since benchmarks are always going to be avg. fps unless specifically stated. The response time wouldn't be affected either way since that's just the time it takes for pixels to play catch-up to whatever is being refreshed. Hope that makes sense.

Dcmix5, maybe try some of the contrast/brightness settings mentioned earlier. If you did something like drop your brightness and raise your contrast to compensate for the brightness of the backlight, you might've just swapped one problem for another. As others have stated, this panel is bright, but looks best if you calibrate your settings instead of trying to decrease its brightness. Compensating by reducing the overall brightness leads to the problems with smearing, crushed blacks, and probably more ghosting, which to me and most others is a bigger problem than a retina-searing level of brightness.
 
Maybe it is just me, but it seems to me that people with ATI cards are having less issues than with the Nvidia flavor. Just curious, but can others confirm this assumption?

I am out of town working, and my 21" CRT just went out last Friday. I intend on picking one of these up when I get back. I have an ATI X800XL for now, and will get a DX10 ATI card later this year.
 
I could set my 21" at the desired brightness/contrast and have no issues. If I have to tweak this display to get reduced issues, but also have it look like crap to me, then it is going back.

Well, it is going back anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.
 
HardwareGuru said:
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2935
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Thanks for the link budy. It's a good read!

They gave us a gem if info about setting our contrast to 60% instead of the 100% that was recommended.

"For testing, we used a Monaco Optix XR (DTR-94) colorimeter on the hardware side. For software, we used Monaco Optix XR Pro. The software and hardware is relatively easy to use and helps users to fine tune their displays. We did find that the instructions tend to be a bit aggressive in terms of setting the contrast ratio, however, as we achieved better results by setting the Gateway LCD to a 60% contrast ratio instead of the 100% that was recommended".

I just wish they would have geven their final color and gama settings that they ended up using, after that high level calabration job on the monitor.

Sounds like this baby can hold it's own against the Dell? :)
 
One point I don't quite agree with on that review is their point about 1680x1050 being not as sharp. I've used that resolution for some games and tested it on my desktop and find it to be just as crisp as the native 1920x1200.

Other than that I think that review is spot on.

Who said to use 100% contrast? It defaults at 50, I had mine set to 60 since I got it setup.
 
TalonMan said:
I just wish they would have geven their final color and gama settings that they ended up using, after that high level calabration job on the monitor.

Sounds like this baby can hold it's own against the Dell? :)
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I already put in a request and hopefully the author, Jarred, replies with his setting. He's been very active in replying to comments and apparently is going back to run some of the suggested tests. Not everyone has or wants to spend $400 on a hardware colorimeter to get their $600 LCD to look good. :D But ya the end results in dE using a colorimeter look very promising.

Oh ya, whoever asked earlier about cards from the two different camps, I'm running an NV 8800GTS and I'm not having any specific problems, at least ones that I can't live with. I think right now the texture shimmering is the hot topic and deal-breaker for lots of people, and I'm not experiencing that although I did see it on my DEC panel. A guy over on AT forums who knows a ton about LCDs and has his own site about em mentioned something about it and used the term "overdrive" as well. I'll try to dig that post up and see if he minds me posting his comments here.

EDIT: Wow that was fast! I won't be able to test these until I get home so feel free to check em out in the meantime and let us know how they work:
Colorimeter Calibrated Color Profile from Jarred at AT
 
I am really thinking about this monitor. I have 100$ gift card at bestbuy and a 12% of that will work. Which would bring the cost to around 500$ + tax for a 24 inch LCD;)
 
chizow said:
I already put in a request and hopefully the author, Jarred, replies with his setting. He's been very active in replying to comments and apparently is going back to run some of the suggested tests. Not everyone has or wants to spend $400 on a hardware colorimeter to get their $600 LCD to look good. :D But ya the end results in dE using a colorimeter look very promising.

Oh ya, whoever asked earlier about cards from the two different camps, I'm running an NV 8800GTS and I'm not having any specific problems, at least ones that I can't live with. I think right now the texture shimmering is the hot topic and deal-breaker for lots of people, and I'm not experiencing that although I did see it on my DEC panel. A guy over on AT forums who knows a ton about LCDs and has his own site about em mentioned something about it and used the term "overdrive" as well. I'll try to dig that post up and see if he minds me posting his comments here.

EDIT: Wow that was fast! I won't be able to test these until I get home so feel free to check em out in the meantime and let us know how they work:
Colorimeter Calibrated Color Profile from Jarred at AT
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I know I sound like a broken record, but my Dec does not shimmer at all. How do you apply that file within Windows?
 
Ferris23 said:
I know I sound like a broken record, but my Dec does not shimmer at all. How do you apply that file within Windows?
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Ya, its pretty clear you got as close to a problem-free panel as the 2845W gets from your comments and pictures, everyone else is just playing catch-up :)

I'd try unzipping it and tossing it into your EzTune directory. Then open up EzTune and load it up using that profile selector. Gonna head home in about 30 minutes so I should be able to check in 60 or so.
 
Good man chizow, and thanks for putting the request in.

I look foward to whatever he has to say.

I am using NVIDIA’s GeForce 7600 GT (256MB GDDR3) graphics card and only have some crushed black's on low lit HD DVD senes like some in Doom. Other than that I still am in awe of this thing.

Well lit HD DVD's like Sahara look aewsome. So clear it almost hurts! Love it.

I have a 16 in 1 or somthing (or somthing) memory card reader on my computer so the ding about the monitor not having that feature dosent bother me. :)

I still believe proper calibration will make me 100% happy.
 
Ok, I figured out how to apply the color profile Jarred at AT provided. Takes a few steps but colors do look much better, only I don't think it applies to every input like with EzTune or the OSD. Looks like the changes are only applied under XP unfortunately.

Anyways here's what you need to do to apply the profile:

1) Get the MS Color Control Applet and install it.

2) Download the Color Profile ICC provided by Jarred at AT and extract it anywhere, just remember where.

3) Run the MS Color Control Applet through Control Panel > Appearance > Colors.

4) Go to the 2nd tab Profiles. Hit Install and navigate to where you saved the Color Profile ICC. Select the ICC and it should show up in the compatible profile window .

5) Go to the 3rd tab Devices. Select your Gateway, hit Add and choose the Gateway Profile you just added. Hit Apply and OK.

Again, it looks like its just a fix for apps/games in Windows unfortunately and colors may still look off a bit depending on what your EzTune and OSD settings are. I'll ask Jarred tomorrow what his Brightness and Contrast are set to but I think he said 60/61 with this profile. Ideally someone could do this using EzTune so its a uniform fix for all inputs, although it might not be as precise or easy to accomplish.
 
Bought from BB, a MGL6B (not sure if it was November 2006 or December 2006, but had a brown label), but returned it for a MGQ71 (January 2007, gray/silver label) because someone returned there MGL6B for an MGL6C and said there was no more ghosting.

The MGL6B and the MGQ71 both have the inverted ghosting like in http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3856946345311169431 and http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/ghosting2.html (blue trailing yellow text, green trailing red box) while four different other older LCDs we have here don't do the inverted thing.

Drant said:
Ghosting - http://www.eggdisk.com/files/225752_ps9wy/Cap0001.mpg
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The inverted ghosting shows in videos like on edges of faces or clouds. I notice black text trails when scrolling through thread on this forum.

I also found a stuck pixel on the MCQ71.

I couldn't use that BB 12% off coupon that expired on 2/18. They tried to scan it and put the code in manually and it showed 0.00.

Does anyone not have the inverted ghosting problem?
 
I just picked up one from Circuit City today. I had 10% off and 18 months no interest. But unfortunately it's going back:( . These are the first few that have arrived to CC stores around here and mine was still a Nov build. It has the buzzing from the power supply and tearing(but no ghosting). I guess I'll just go back to my 21" Gateway I got last year. I was hoping the quality would be like that only with a higher resolution, but I guess not. The 21" (FPD2185W) is excllent. The 24" isn't even in the same league. I guess I'll have to wait for them to correct the problems or wait for the next model.
 
aaronwt said:
I just picked up one from Circuit City today. I had 10% off and 18 months no interest. But unfortunately it's going back:( . These are the first few that have arrived to CC stores around here and mine was still a Nov build. It has the buzzing from the power supply and tearing(but no ghosting). I guess I'll just go back to my 21" Gateway I got last year. I was hoping the quality would be like that only with a higher resolution, but I guess not. The 21" (FPD2185W) is excllent. The 24" isn't even in the same league. I guess I'll have to wait for them to correct the problems or wait for the next model.
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Be careful with CC. There policy is a 15% restock fee if opened and returned for refund. YMMV to application, but my CC won't budge on not charging thr restock fee so I didn't bother with them and just got it from BB.
 
recurr said:
Bought from BB, a MGL6B (not sure if it was November 2006 or December 2006, but had a brown label), but returned it for a MGQ71 (January 2007, gray/silver label) because someone returned there MGL6B for an MGL6C and said there was no more ghosting.

The MGL6B and the MGQ71 both have the inverted ghosting like in http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3856946345311169431 and http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/ghosting2.html (blue trailing yellow text, green trailing red box) while four different other older LCDs we have here don't do the inverted thing.




The inverted ghosting shows in videos like on edges of faces or clouds. I notice black text trails when scrolling through thread on this forum.

I also found a stuck pixel on the MCQ71.

I couldn't use that BB 12% off coupon that expired on 2/18. They tried to scan it and put the code in manually and it showed 0.00.

Does anyone not have the inverted ghosting problem?
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Wow! I just ran the prad.de test side by side on a Dec. model vs. my Nec 20wmgx2. What a difference. :eek:

You can clearly and I mean clearly see the ghosting with the Gateway while the NEC has a little bit but nowhere near what the Gateway has.

I was really torn between the Gateway and my NEC because I just love the size of the Gateway and want a display for true 1080p but now I'm not going to bother with trying to get a January model and just return the Gateway and wait for something else. I really tried to let the Gateway grow on me, but just couldn't take the black levels and the ghosting.

Thanks for that prad test.
 
chizow said:
Ok, I figured out how to apply the color profile Jarred at AT provided. Takes a few steps but colors do look much better, only I don't think it applies to every input like with EzTune or the OSD. Looks like the changes are only applied under XP unfortunately.

Anyways here's what you need to do to apply the profile:

1) Get the MS Color Control Applet and install it.

2) Download the Color Profile ICC provided by Jarred at AT and extract it anywhere, just remember where.

3) Run the MS Color Control Applet through Control Panel > Appearance > Colors.
Note: (On Windows XP Media Edition it's just Control Panel > Color).

4) Go to the 2nd tab Profiles. Hit Install and navigate to where you saved the Color Profile ICC. Select the ICC and it should show up in the compatible profile window .

5) Go to the 3rd tab Devices. Select your Graphics Card entry, hit Add and choose the Gateway Profile you just added. Hit Apply and OK.
Note: (My computer did not go Jarred's new professionally calibrated color profile until I clicked the 'Save as default' button too, then poof!! Much better).

I'll ask Jarred tomorrow what his Brightness and Contrast are set to but I think he said 60/61 with this profile.
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Please Do.

Thanks for the post. Jarred's color profile settings were an improvement over what my current settings were for sure.

When you look at the clarity and accuracy of the color's it just makes you want to sing "It can only be Jarred". :)

Looks like we might not need to spend that $400 on a hardware colorimeter to get our $600 LCD to look good after all!!

PS - I added 2 lines in your origional post:
Step 3) Note: (On Windows XP Media Edition it's just Control Panel > Color).
Step 4) Note: (My computer did not go Jarred's new professionally calibrated color profile until I clicked the 'Save as default' button too, then poof!! Much better).

Thanks again chizow for looking out for your FDP2485W PC brothers.
 
recurr said:
The inverted ghosting shows in videos like on edges of faces or clouds. I notice black text trails when scrolling through thread on this forum.

I also found a stuck pixel on the MCQ71.

I couldn't use that BB 12% off coupon that expired on 2/18. They tried to scan it and put the code in manually and it showed 0.00.

Does anyone not have the inverted ghosting problem?
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I also have the inverted ghosting issue. It only started showing up recently after about a month. As the monitor heats up it seems to get worse. Thought it was something wrong with my graphics card (I've never seen ghosting like this before) but I hooked up an old 3 yr old LCD monitor and nothing. The Gateway is supposed to have a faster or equal response time as well. On BF2142 when things move it looks like they have almost a halo around them.

A friend of mine suggested it might be the monitors video processor (the faroudja specifically) trying to overcompensate things. That's the only thing we could think of that might cause this. Because I have seen older LCD with much higher response times not have trails this bad. Certainly not inverted ones. I want to ask Gateway about it but the likelyhood anyone in the first few tiers of tech support is going to have info that detailed is slim. I'm hoping against hope that this could be corrected with a firmware fix or some such but I have a bad feeling I'm in for a lot of tech support nonsense in the future. Luckily I got the 2 year CC plan so it's going to fixed or replaced one way or the other. My only lingering concern is that this may be a design fault and not a manufacturing issue which means no matter how many replacements I get it will still be there.
 
aaronwt said:
I just picked up one from Circuit City today. I had 10% off and 18 months no interest. But unfortunately it's going back:( . These are the first few that have arrived to CC stores around here and mine was still a Nov build. It has the buzzing from the power supply and tearing(but no ghosting). I guess I'll just go back to my 21" Gateway I got last year. I was hoping the quality would be like that only with a higher resolution, but I guess not. The 21" (FPD2185W) is excllent. The 24" isn't even in the same league. I guess I'll have to wait for them to correct the problems or wait for the next model.
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I was in the EXACT same boat as you. I thought this 24" would be on the same level as my 21" Gateway, and I am extremely disappointed.
 
Painboy said:
I also have the inverted ghosting issue. It only started showing up recently after about a month. As the monitor heats up it seems to get worse. Thought it was something wrong with my graphics card (I've never seen ghosting like this before) but I hooked up an old 3 yr old LCD monitor and nothing. The Gateway is supposed to have a faster or equal response time as well. On BF2142 when things move it looks like they have almost a halo around them.

A friend of mine suggested it might be the monitors video processor (the faroudja specifically) trying to overcompensate things. That's the only thing we could think of that might cause this. Because I have seen older LCD with much higher response times not have trails this bad. Certainly not inverted ones. I want to ask Gateway about it but the likelyhood anyone in the first few tiers of tech support is going to have info that detailed is slim. I'm hoping against hope that this could be corrected with a firmware fix or some such but I have a bad feeling I'm in for a lot of tech support nonsense in the future. Luckily I got the 2 year CC plan so it's going to fixed or replaced one way or the other. My only lingering concern is that this may be a design fault and not a manufacturing issue which means no matter how many replacements I get it will still be there.
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I'm leaning towards design fault. If I just used my monitor for everyday use and console gaming then it would not be as bad, but once you do any pc gaming then that's when I really notice it. Not as bad with xbox 360 and ps 3 imho.
 
Juic3 said:
Doesnt Faroudja work only on component though ?
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As I understand it the chip deals with quite a bit. Primarily any kind of scaling or de-interlacing. Although it has other functions as well. This is what gives the Gateway it's large scalabilty. On this montior 800x600 looks better on my larger 24" than my old 17" even though it's larger because of the Faroudja chip.

Here is some additional info: Faroujda

I would think that it wouldn't be really using it at it's native resolution but I have no idea what Gateway has it doing. Many times company's will leave on or off certain functions for various reasons despite it's capabilities. Sometimes not realizing they have unintended side effects. It happens on all resolutions so it's not just the scaled resolutions from what I can tell.

If the ghosting wasn't inverted I would just chalk it up to not living up to it's claimed specs of 6ms. But that inversion makes me think something is not being done properly. And the trails are so bad at times it looks like it has a response of 30+ ms, at least as compared to the small amount of ghosting on my 16ms 17" LCD.
 
I am using the mono price switcher recomended by Ferris. Sony's NBA 07 and the PS3 dashboard display at 1080 P (Per my info button) NBA 2K7 say's 1080 P on the box. It displays 720 P per my info button. My friend has a westy and confirmed that it is 1080 P on his LCD. Any help on getting the gate way to display 1080 P on this game?
 
just learning about monitors lcds....from 1 to 10, 10 being the best in overall,comparing dell 24" the newest one and this FPD2485W - 24" HD LCD gateway........im wanting to buy either one what do you experts say:confused:
 
GMaxx said:
Be careful with CC. There policy is a 15% restock fee if opened and returned for refund. YMMV to application, but my CC won't budge on not charging thr restock fee so I didn't bother with them and just got it from BB.
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If they try and charge me a restocking fee, they will just have to keep replacing it until I get one that works properly. So that means it needs to at least be one manufactured in 2007 to guarantee that the power supply doesn't make a buzzing sound.
 
Painboy said:
I also have the inverted ghosting issue. It only started showing up recently after about a month. As the monitor heats up it seems to get worse. Thought it was something wrong with my graphics card (I've never seen ghosting like this before) but I hooked up an old 3 yr old LCD monitor and nothing. The Gateway is supposed to have a faster or equal response time as well. On BF2142 when things move it looks like they have almost a halo around them.

A friend of mine suggested it might be the monitors video processor (the faroudja specifically) trying to overcompensate things. That's the only thing we could think of that might cause this. Because I have seen older LCD with much higher response times not have trails this bad. Certainly not inverted ones. I want to ask Gateway about it but the likelyhood anyone in the first few tiers of tech support is going to have info that detailed is slim. I'm hoping against hope that this could be corrected with a firmware fix or some such but I have a bad feeling I'm in for a lot of tech support nonsense in the future. Luckily I got the 2 year CC plan so it's going to fixed or replaced one way or the other. My only lingering concern is that this may be a design fault and not a manufacturing issue which means no matter how many replacements I get it will still be there.
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When I first got the MGQ71 replacement and tried the prad test, it looked like the ghosting wasn't there anymore. After some time, I guess when it warmed up like you said, the inverted ghosting became more noticeable. I was also wondering about a firmware upgrade and searched gateway.com, but didn't find anything.
 
I just thought I would throw my 2 cents in on this monitor. There were several things I wanted to know that were only being listed in a few posts so here it is. The hardware I am running is the following:

ATI X1900XTX
2Gb DDR2 6400
Core2 6600 @ 3.06
GA-P965-DQ6

1. I was only interested in a monitor not an xbox/ps3,2,1 TV ( I have an HDTV big screen for that).
2. Primary concerns were ghosting, tearing because I play games all of them.

After reading damn near every post on this monitor I just decided to buy one and find out for myself if it was going to work for me. I ended up getting a NOV 06 monitor because that’s what they had at the local CC. After 14 days I ended up returning it for the following reasons.

1. Ghosting was insane I’m talking 5-10 mm off of objects. It was ooooh so noticeable nice fat gray bar off every thing. It wasn’t bad when the monitor was cold but after about 20 min it was at full glory.
2. Tearing was the second reason it wasn’t quite that bad in fact had the ghosting not been there I would have kept it.
3. There was some flickering that was annoying as well, however it didn’t happen all the time. Can’t explain that.

My monitor didn’t have a power supply problem (buzz). No dead or stuck pixels. The back light bleed was in the 4 corners about an inch but, after the monitor warmed up there was no noticeable backlight issues.

The picture was good so long as nothing was moving I felt the colors were great and bright.

Here’s what I tried to rule out to give the monitor the benefit of the doubt:
1. I installed easy tune and played with that and nothing (someone in the posts said it helped them).
2. I was running vista initially and thought maybe that and the ATI drivers being not so perfect could be causing it. So I uninstalled vista and reinstalled XP no change.
3. I tried different driver versions no change.
4. I tried different DVI cables no change.
5. I even tried another video card.
6. I tried running in every resolution from the top to the bottom in 1:1 wide and zoom.

This monitor ghosts I don’t care what anyone says it does. In the 14 day time period I went to every BB and CC and CompUSA that had the monitor on display they all did it every one of them. One of the BB had a DEC 06 on display and it had the same issues with tearing and ghosting. All in all I would say if you’re not going to play any games on this monitor its great however that is not the case for me.

After I returned the Gateway I replaced it with a Sony 23” SDM-P234 (I was lucky and found 2 new in the boxes hidden on a shelf. I bought both of them so if any of you are interested in the second let me know) and well this monitor is wonderful. It’s not as vibrant but I don’t care its perfect in every other way for me.

I hope this helps some of you like me who don’t give a damn about hooking up a console to play on.

I’m not a writer so don’t be critical ….
 
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