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or it could be what really kills it
Just keep your bug-out bag handy in case it does
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or it could be what really kills it
While this is true, I doubt the return for such a deal would justify the cost. I.e. this would not happen.for the right money EA would do it in heart beat
In other words, it's a popularity contest. Whoever is more popular and more used by the masses will be the more common API to use. The others will be second or third.Think of DirectX as that sexy cheerleader winning Homecoming Queen and Prom Queen. She's popular, her dad's rich, and she drives a nice car and is friends with all the popular girls on campus. Every girl either envies her or despises her. Yet, she gets her way-- most of the time. Daddy's rich so she knows she can do whatever she wants. And, she's just about been with nearly every jock on campus.
OpenGL is that mousy haired geek with glasses sitting in the library getting 1400 to 1600 on the SAT I test. She gets the As and Bs in class but isn't popular with many of her classmates. Her dad isn't rich and she's open to new ideas and tries to come up with some herself. More brains than beauty in other words, but it doesn't get her the popular guys and she's more well known amongst the Gee Club, Chess Club, and the Computer Science class.
Then, Mantle comes along and she's the new kid in class. The outcast trying to fit in among the Jocks, the Greasers, the Geeks, and the Mean Girls but still trying to find her place among other people. She's into deathmetal, rock and roll, and some weird artsy stuff. She's trying to be unique, or trying too hard to. She's basically misunderstood and she's not doing it to get popular, she's trying to fit in. Or, so I think she is.
with luck Mantle will be DOA be for AMD starts paying devs for Mantle only games
becouse NV is really going to make a GCN based card....
more likely they come up with there own API
and then get in war and you end up with some thing like Frostbite being AMD only and UE being NV only
THATS A GREAT out come
AMD can screw off
becouse NV is really going to make a GCN based card....
more likely they come up with there own API
becouse NV is really going to make a GCN based card....
more likely they come up with there own API
and then get in war and you end up with some thing like Frostbite being AMD only and UE being NV only
THATS A GREAT out come
AMD can screw off
He didn't suggest Nvidia build a GCN-based card...becouse NV is really going to make a GCN based card....
Elios is not interested in a logical conversation.
AMD = bad
Mantle = bad
narrow minded = fan boy
He didn't suggest Nvidia build a GCN-based card...
He suggested that Mantle is designed so that it can be supported on more than just the GCN architecture (the endpoint being that it's possible to make the API compatible with Nvidia cards)
He didn't suggest Nvidia build a GCN-based card...
He suggested that Mantle is designed so that it can be supported on more than just the GCN architecture (the endpoint being that it's possible to make the API compatible with Nvidia cards)
let fix that
low level APIs =BAD
if NV tried the push the same shit id say the same thing
PhysX at the start was ok then NV bought them out and raged about that too
if AMD really wanted to kill DX they should made a new high level API but they picked a low level one since it locks in the hardware
wait for NV to counter with there only low level bullshit and watch PC gaming come crashing down
What is Microsoft's reaction to the Mantle move? Some would guess they like it, some would guess they hate you for it...
RK - I can't obviously comment on Microsoft, but the thing I can say is we have a great relationship with Microsoft. We are one of the best partners they have in terms of moving DirectX forward. We move DirectX forward, we work with Microsoft on every version of DirectX and we will continue to do that and obviously we wouldn't surprise them with anything like Mantle so you can read between the lines.
Both us and Microsoft are committed to PC gaming and we want to do the right thing for game developers and end-users too. Right now this felt like the right answer, like the right solution to provide for what the game developers are asking during this transition and we are responding to that.
It is not about competition between APIs, we have ten times more resources working on DirectX than Mantle. We have twenty times more resources working on other standard APIs like OpenGL and OpenCL than on Mantle. To keep things in perspective, our support for industry standards hasn't diminished a bit; in fact if anything we'll be focusing more on that stuff. Mantle is solving this specific problem that specific several game developers have and we thought it's the right thing to help them.
let fix that
low level APIs =BAD
if NV tried the push the same shit id say the same thing
PhysX at the start was ok then NV bought them out and raged about that too
if AMD really wanted to kill DX they should made a new high level API but they picked a low level one since it locks in the hardware
wait for NV to counter with there only low level bullshit and watch PC gaming come crashing down
Correct, it's not. Not in the "bare metal" sense anywaythen its not low level
Yes and no...its low level or it can support more then one hardware set
you dont get both
You are pulling those numbers out of thin air, you have no idea how it will perform either way at this point.if it could ever support more then GCN then they will be lucky to get 5% gains in which case AMD will look like tools for even trying this
if its really low level itll have gains in the 15% to 20% range and NV will likely tell AMD to piss off and make there own API
because i like having to own 2 video cards so an play the games i want
how about NO
AMDs end game will be to lock out nvidia Mantle or nothing and dont think it hasnt crossed the minds of the management at AMD
that is the ONLY reason they green lighted this
and you also missed how AMD has now locked them selves in to GCN for the next for ever as well that worked out great for 3Dfx
im going to laugh when NV and Intel get MS to make major change in DX that would break Mantle by forcing AMD to drastically change there GPU
well, you should just join the doomsday castle right now then and call it quits.
have fun with that. While the rest of us enjoy the future and all the cool games that will come from AMD bringing more Console Developers to the PC table.
Turning you off now... bye bye
Raja Koduri himself debunking the uneducated fanboy myth that Microsoft is or will be against Mantle. It seems Microsoft has known about it all along:
Scroll down the article, the Q&A is in full english: http://www.hardware.fr/focus/89/amd-mantle-interview-raja-koduri.html
pretty clear MS wants to scuttle PC gaming then
Correct, it's not. Not in the "bare metal" sense anyway
Yes and no...
It's possible to be lower-level than Direct3D and OpenGL without being non-portable. Mantle is about as low as you can go and have portability still be an option.
Put simply, that lands you with a low-level API (relative to D3D / OGL) that is also portable.
You are pulling those numbers out of thin air, you have no idea how it will perform either way at this point.
Just because it's still semi-portable doesn't suddenly mean it comes with a gigantic performance hit. It's also in AMD's best interests to provide some modicum of portability, just in case they need to account for major architectural changes on their own cards in the future.
MS have a model to unite PC, mobile and console. Mantle is advertised as a bridge between consoles and PC. That is a good thing. MS might even have a Mantle supported APU in the woodworks to increase their tablet sales. I would be surprised if they didn't, since it might help them in the tablet market and boost the X86 advantage MS have there.
Mantle also have the possibility to make Linux gaming more viable, if AMD chooses to create Linux support for it. Should increase the PC gaming base a bit.
Mantle might also give some gaming love to Mac users.
If you care about PC, care about all those with low-level specs that might actually get gaming capabilities with Mantle. Care about all those people who regains some of the lost performance due differences between consoles and PC. Getting console-like performance on a PC isn't bad for PC gamers ...
We don't know how Mantle will perform, but they went into much effort making it and are hinting about more AAA developers not revealed yet. It might be a big consumer win.
Many people buy low-level hardware and might not be able to game, Mantle might make all the difference. If you look beside the whole AMD and Nvidia, and think about the big picture, its a great thing for consumers.
MS have a model to unite PC, mobile and console. Mantle is advertised as a bridge between consoles and PC. That is a good thing. MS might even have a Mantle supported APU in the woodworks to increase their tablet sales. I would be surprised if they didn't, since it might help them in the tablet market and boost the X86 advantage MS have there.
Mantle also have the possibility to make Linux gaming more viable, if AMD chooses to create Linux support for it. Should increase the PC gaming base a bit.
Mantle might also give some gaming love to Mac users.
If you care about PC, care about all those with low-level specs that might actually get gaming capabilities with Mantle. Care about all those people who regains some of the lost performance due differences between consoles and PC. Getting console-like performance on a PC isn't bad for PC gamers ...
We don't know how Mantle will perform, but they went into much effort making it and are hinting about more AAA developers not revealed yet. It might be a big consumer win.
Many people buy low-level hardware and might not be able to game, Mantle might make all the difference. If you look beside the whole AMD and Nvidia, and think about the big picture, its a great thing for consumers.
already have OpenGL dont need another API
AMD can again fuck right off
if AMD wanted to ditch DX they could fix there awful OpenGL drivers
Don't be a pottymouth...
If you don't need another API, stop complaining about not getting it.
Because there's no money in it.then why cant AMD make it work on there own non-GCN cards
Nah, it's not that low-level. It's pretty far from bare-metal.maybe IT IS that low level and AMD is spining it to not confirm the fears yet
There has actually already been talk of implementing Mantle extensions into OpenGL.already have OpenGL dont need another API
true, think of all those farmville players that will be able to play BF5
i totally agree though, AMD is opening the door for devs to bring their games to our platform, im excited as hell. instead of a market based on high-end desktops, they can expand to moderate to low end and laptops. Win Win!
I almost bought a Win8 pro tablet (have Ipad and tried streaming it windowed with Splashtop) just to be able to play Heroes of might and magic 3 on it.
Mantle has a potential to open doors for gamers. We don't know much about it yet, but it has promise considering the effort they sunk into it. Developers can target a much larger group besides the consoles. Now that China has lifted the console ban, we might need it.
Please define "not that low-level" more specifically.Nah, it's not that low-level. It's pretty far from bare-metal.
Unless those vendor-specific extensions are supported by every vendor (thereby becoming ubiquitous), offered as ARB extensions or integrated into the core profiles in a completely backwards-compatible way, no, it's not "code for OpenGL and you're done". Do you understand how the extension system works?There has actually already been talk of implementing Mantle extensions into OpenGL. Code for OpenGL and you're done. Your renderer gets Mantle acceleration on computers with supported hardware, uses regular OpenGL on systems without supported hardware.
Don't be a pottymouth...
If you don't need another API, stop complaining about not getting it.
because ether AMD or NV will at some point pay a dev to make a game that only works on there hardware
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