Z87 and 1155

J

JCNiest5

Supreme [H]ardness
2FA
Joined
Apr 25, 2005
Messages
4,141
Why can't Z87 chipset base on 1155 socket? After all, P67, Z68 and Z77 all base on the same socket. Why not just make Z87 compatible with 1155 socket so Haswell can be used on any 1155 socket motherboards? Why does Intel have to always make life harder for the PC enthusiasts like us out there?
 
Intel, like most companies aims for maximum profits. And selling a chipset AND a CPU means higher profit.
 
JCNiest5 said:
Why can't Z87 chipset base on 1155 socket? After all, P67, Z68 and Z77 all base on the same socket. Why not just make Z87 compatible with 1155 socket so Haswell can be used on any 1155 socket motherboards? Why does Intel have to always make life harder for the PC enthusiasts like us out there?
Click to expand...

Haswell is a distinct architecture from Sandy/Ivy Bridge. So just making the motherboard socket compatible with them wouldn't mean you could just drop Haswell into it.
 
Even if the z87 was compatible with 1155, most people would get the new chipset to go along with the new cpu anyway.
 
The simple fact is that we let let our engineers say what they need to connect with our new micro-architectures. This means that we at times we have said with a socket (like 775 for some time) or we change it every time we release a new micro-architecture (i.e. moving from 1156 to 1155). Eech of the changes have been meet with some big changes in how the processor works and commicate with the board. Going from socket 775 to 1156 we moved to the memory controller from the board to the processor. With 1155 we were laying ground work for native PCI-E 3.0 support.
 
One of the biggest differences for Haswell is that the processor now has integrated VRMs, well, at least part of the VRMs are on the CPU die. That alone breaks any kind of compatibility.
 
d6bmg said:
Bingo! You have hit the perfect point!!
Click to expand...

That's just a side effect (and a good one, from a business perspective) of having the need to change a socket because of architectural changes and technology advancements.

I see it as a sure-fire way to remove confusion from the consumer. Imagine if Haswell was 1155:
"These new Haswell processors will fit an 1155 motherboard, but not the H61, H67, P67, Z67, or all of those with a 7 in place of the 6. You'll need a motherboard that has an 8 in place on the 7." Waaaay to confusing for the average person that wants to tinker around by building their own system or is replacing a part in their OEM system down the road and needs to know what will work.

AMD, on the other hand, has remained with sockets for a long time, but there are a lot of things one must keep in mind when piecing together a system or replacing a foundational piece like the motherboard depending on the generation:
"Yep, this mobo is socket compatible for what your CPU series is, but you have to make sure you don't have the older x, y, or z model processor because they are 125W TDP when this board only supports up to 95W TDP."

How many threads have we seen here like that in the AMD subforums? ;)
 
DejaWiz said:
That's just a side effect (and a good one, from a business perspective) of having the need to change a socket because of architectural changes and technology advancements.

I see it as a sure-fire way to remove confusion from the consumer. Imagine if Haswell was 1155:
"These new Haswell processors will fit an 1155 motherboard, but not the H61, H67, P67, Z67, or all of those with a 7 in place of the 6. You'll need a motherboard that has an 8 in place on the 7." Waaaay to confusing for the average person that wants to tinker around by building their own system or is replacing a part in their OEM system down the road and needs to know what will work.

AMD, on the other hand, has remained with sockets for a long time, but there are a lot of things one must keep in mind when piecing together a system or replacing a foundational piece like the motherboard depending on the generation:
"Yep, this mobo is socket compatible for what your CPU series is, but you have to make sure you don't have the older x, y, or z model processor because they are 125W TDP when this board only supports up to 95W TDP."

How many threads have we seen here like that in the AMD subforums? ;)
Click to expand...

this was also how 775 was, "my board is 775, but it's 915 which doesnt support core2 or ddr2, grr"
 
Well, the Socket confusion is nothing new. I ordered a Socket 478 Pentium 4 together with a Socket 423 board years ago. I was not even paying attention coming from a Slot A processor.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top