Ruffian998
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You didnt include Ares Lite.......
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MooCow
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Looks like LokiTorrent took a hit. Long live Bit torrent!!!!
satriani5902
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newshosting.com + newzbin.com + newsbin pro = safe and easy.
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skymaster said:
It's just what it says. Basically, it's a sort of system where a central server collects e-mails and they are then delivered to everyone who has subscribed to it. They keep an archive of these e-mails and it kind of ends up sort of like a forum in many ways, just more work. Originally the system was intended only to be a sort of newsfeed type of thing, hence the name.
Let me just say that I take the "library" approach. - it is *legal* to try ANY software for 24 hours. However, most software vendors won't take back an opened product.
So, on the few occassions where i've wanted to evaluate a $6,000 piece of software (or $500 one) I have "tried" it however I may. - But I dont' keep them past 1 day unless I place an order for it.
So, on the few occassions where i've wanted to evaluate a $6,000 piece of software (or $500 one) I have "tried" it however I may. - But I dont' keep them past 1 day unless I place an order for it.
Ice Czar
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skymaster said:
Laforge said:
as Laforge points out, you better fix that before a Mod sees it
I am suprised no one has talked much about soulseek, my wife and I are HUGE soulseek supporters. we get fast speeds, and have found an enormous amout of rare music and video from there.
I use torrents too, but soulseek has the speed and the material I need most.
of course ftp is king, but ever since a year ago, it's impossible (at least for me) to get involved in that anymore.
anyways, if you haven't checked it out, try it www.slsknet.org
my wife serves all the files mainly, 1 Tb worth, her user is "paperdoll77" and mine is "darw_n"
just tell her your from [H], she tends to ban alot ;-]
I use torrents too, but soulseek has the speed and the material I need most.
of course ftp is king, but ever since a year ago, it's impossible (at least for me) to get involved in that anymore.
anyways, if you haven't checked it out, try it www.slsknet.org
my wife serves all the files mainly, 1 Tb worth, her user is "paperdoll77" and mine is "darw_n"
just tell her your from [H], she tends to ban alot ;-]
MooCow
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I heard Soulseek has some rare stuff on it. My bro and a friend of mine use it for finding some less known House/Tribal House music which I would say only a small percentage of this board has even heard of.
yeah, infact, there is alot of people, including me, that are recording all their vinyl and releasing the tracks out to soulseek, and it's very strict about how the tracks are recorded and labeled. People on slsk are definately the most nit picky about files and sharing
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I too would be nit picky when it comes to recording and releasing. I personally hate it when I download a 1 hour set thats in VBR, or 128kbps, or has noise. I get VERY mad. Also when the ripper adds his own jingles, man, what douchebags.
MooCow said:
i find the text in bold funny. first, dont lie to yourself, you have a choice to go without an optional royalty. second, why think that just because your collection is small, it makes it right? its still illegal.
im not being holier-than-thou here, id say this if i were a pirate or if i was not.. i just find it funny when people say these types of things clearly to delude themselves and make themselves feel better. just fess up and accept the fact that you're a pirate, lol. no need to sugar coat it.
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Yeah I know... I'm a warez monkey...
now, I have an opinion on the term "pirate"....
In my mind, "pirate" is one who takes for some form of profit. Be it financial (i.e. - bootleggers), or for status (i.e. 0sec site status, "scene" status, etc etc), or to derail or 'upset' a company (i.e. M$ hacks who intentionally seek to release their stuff for personal motivations above simple "tinkering", again usually malicious, or even political).
I will not personally state where I stand on how I feel about the above, but I will say that they are clear "pirates".
But then I put a second thought to the archivists or personal collectors out there, and I say that these are not "bad" people, and I wish the law could side step these people someway (albeit, not feasable now). These people rip, grab, snatch for reasons that are solely for their personal interests, and they do not wish to gain any form of profit, stature, or malice from anything in which they do. Yeah, I know the "the companies and artists and programmers need to make money" line, and i agree, and honestly, that is a different, and uber complicated, arguement all-together, I am just looking at the terminology here.
But i am leaning heavily in the direction that there are "pirates" and there are "archivists". And the negetive light should be directed to the pirates far before the "archivists".
there's also a third category too, the simple "free for all" person. Either they are ignorant about law and technology, and simply grab whatever they want and see for no reason at all, having no idea at all as to what they are doing, or the politcal person/activist, the almost 'anarchist' / 'socialist' types out there that have a clear and informed sense of what they are doing, but insits all data and media should be free and grab almost evrything for that purpoase alone.
alright, now I am rambling...
but maybe we should consider these differences?
I could be very wrong too, but I can't see how *all* people who do this (P2P) can be "pirates" grandly.
BTW, I used to run record lables, I am an artist, so I have some deep inside background.
In my mind, "pirate" is one who takes for some form of profit. Be it financial (i.e. - bootleggers), or for status (i.e. 0sec site status, "scene" status, etc etc), or to derail or 'upset' a company (i.e. M$ hacks who intentionally seek to release their stuff for personal motivations above simple "tinkering", again usually malicious, or even political).
I will not personally state where I stand on how I feel about the above, but I will say that they are clear "pirates".
But then I put a second thought to the archivists or personal collectors out there, and I say that these are not "bad" people, and I wish the law could side step these people someway (albeit, not feasable now). These people rip, grab, snatch for reasons that are solely for their personal interests, and they do not wish to gain any form of profit, stature, or malice from anything in which they do. Yeah, I know the "the companies and artists and programmers need to make money" line, and i agree, and honestly, that is a different, and uber complicated, arguement all-together, I am just looking at the terminology here.
But i am leaning heavily in the direction that there are "pirates" and there are "archivists". And the negetive light should be directed to the pirates far before the "archivists".
there's also a third category too, the simple "free for all" person. Either they are ignorant about law and technology, and simply grab whatever they want and see for no reason at all, having no idea at all as to what they are doing, or the politcal person/activist, the almost 'anarchist' / 'socialist' types out there that have a clear and informed sense of what they are doing, but insits all data and media should be free and grab almost evrything for that purpoase alone.
alright, now I am rambling...
but maybe we should consider these differences?
I could be very wrong too, but I can't see how *all* people who do this (P2P) can be "pirates" grandly.
BTW, I used to run record lables, I am an artist, so I have some deep inside background.
Nazo
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You know, on that note, I have wanted to point out that it's kind of stupid using the terms pirate and saying these people are stealing. Those terms are purposefully designed to make those people look worse. I mean, a pirate is someone who forcibly (usually at the cost of lives) steals merchandise. And stealing still involves the removal of the property from the other person, leaving them with nothing. But, when it comes to software "piracy," a copy is made usually at the harm of no one and by the nature of the term copy, the person's copy isn't removed automatically by this process (though it may be done manually after, that's a seperate thing.) Always annoyed me how they make such people out to be evil horrible hackers taking forcibly from poor innocents...
Lol, don't get me wrong, I'm not by any means saying it can't indirectly do harm, just, the terms are purposefully misleading to such an extreme that it's not even funny...
Lol, don't get me wrong, I'm not by any means saying it can't indirectly do harm, just, the terms are purposefully misleading to such an extreme that it's not even funny...
well, you're touching a huge nerver there, the "harm" comes in people not being funded to produce media, in essense making it impossible to produce anything. With that being said, all media developers (from the local painter to the highest program developer) need to figure out how to utilize this, not push it away. And they need to look *WAAAAY* beyond the stupid "subscription" concepts out there. It kinda works now, but I can clearly see it is a small patch for what will come, and wont work for much longer.
Think about this for a moment, and think harder than normally; Anything media can in essense be exactly duplicated....
cheaply...
and we are heading to doing exact and perfect dublications of material items.
again, cheaply, and at home, at will...
and that is a first in human history, to be able to duplicate for nearly nothing in cost, and be so precise.
to try to stop that is simply a waste.
But the thing is, and I can't figure this out; how in the hell do you reconfigure a massive part of the economy to accept and embrace that? I.E. - how does anyone make capitol ($$$) of that?
the only way I see it possible is if all media producers are paid in addition to there company pay, by tax dollars.
not something todays world would dig to much;-]
but seriously, the RIAA, MPAA, and all the other "groups" out there are simply delaying the inevitible.
They instead should invest into R and D and figure out how to embrace technology.
I've said it before, 'Technological Determinism' needs to be understood as true, and as a predictor of sorts for both business and law, so we can change things before we get into a mess like we are heading for now.
Think about this for a moment, and think harder than normally; Anything media can in essense be exactly duplicated....
cheaply...
and we are heading to doing exact and perfect dublications of material items.
again, cheaply, and at home, at will...
and that is a first in human history, to be able to duplicate for nearly nothing in cost, and be so precise.
to try to stop that is simply a waste.
But the thing is, and I can't figure this out; how in the hell do you reconfigure a massive part of the economy to accept and embrace that? I.E. - how does anyone make capitol ($$$) of that?
the only way I see it possible is if all media producers are paid in addition to there company pay, by tax dollars.
not something todays world would dig to much;-]
but seriously, the RIAA, MPAA, and all the other "groups" out there are simply delaying the inevitible.
They instead should invest into R and D and figure out how to embrace technology.
I've said it before, 'Technological Determinism' needs to be understood as true, and as a predictor of sorts for both business and law, so we can change things before we get into a mess like we are heading for now.
I like the idea of tax funded entertainment, so long as the judiciary branch has sole control of funding. Yes, I said the judiciary branch. The judiciary branch has no power to either enforce (Executive branch) or create (Legislative branch) laws so they have the least reason to unduly influence the media. That is why tax funded media is such a slippery slope, because it is very susceptible to media control, and, thus, steps on the toes of the first amendment (regarding freedom of speech).
This would, however, preclude that media corporations would no longer have the right to sue customers for sharing music to which they have a license to listen.
Yes, I said the judiciary branch. The judiciary branch has no power to either enforce (Executive branch) or create (Legislative branch) laws so they have the least reason to unduly influence the media. That is why tax funded media is such a slippery slope, because it is very susceptible to media control, and, thus, steps on the toes of the first amendment (regarding freedom of speech).This would, however, preclude that media corporations would no longer have the right to sue customers for sharing music to which they have a license to listen.