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Yet Yet Another Rate My Setup
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to save money, i'd go with a swiftech mcw50 and the 6800 adapter. about half the cost of the dd 6800 block and probably cools the core just as well and doesn't weigh a ton (bending the agp card).
buy some copper heatsinks for the gddr, epoxy them on there and you're good to go.
buy some copper heatsinks for the gddr, epoxy them on there and you're good to go.
Ramsinks or the MCW50 block and adapter? 
Here's a little of all 3 on one page. They call it the 'GeForce 6 Adapter', note.
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcw50.asp
Here's a little of all 3 on one page. They call it the 'GeForce 6 Adapter', note.
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcw50.asp
Waterblock
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ex-blc-11.html
Adaptor
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ex-swi-12.html
Ramsinks
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ram-19.html
Total $65.50 plus shipping
If you look around you can probably find them for a cheaper price.
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ex-blc-11.html
Adaptor
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ex-swi-12.html
Ramsinks
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ram-19.html
Total $65.50 plus shipping
If you look around you can probably find them for a cheaper price.
the TDX is nice. personally, i'm going with the swiftech 6000 for my p4 2.4c.
i also opt'd for a t-line instead of a res. with the pump i'm getting (dd d4 v12), it's going to possibly create a lot of water turbulance in the res, so i figure i'll just eliminate it.
as for pumps, the dd or swiftech pumps are very nice and powerful.
the BlackIce Xtreme 120mm is nice but overpriced, imo. If you have the space, get a single heatercore and shround to go with that 120mm fan you have. it'll yield better performance (or so I hear) and cost less.
i also opt'd for a t-line instead of a res. with the pump i'm getting (dd d4 v12), it's going to possibly create a lot of water turbulance in the res, so i figure i'll just eliminate it.
as for pumps, the dd or swiftech pumps are very nice and powerful.
the BlackIce Xtreme 120mm is nice but overpriced, imo. If you have the space, get a single heatercore and shround to go with that 120mm fan you have. it'll yield better performance (or so I hear) and cost less.
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He afraid to put the system together so he chooses Swiftech to give him another month or two before he has his partsFinsta said:
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Nevermind me, I'm just bitterrtierney said:
It seems all rads are overpriced IMHO. Id go with the tried and tested 71 bonneville heater core. Works well, takes dual 120 fans, is a hellof a lot cheaper than the "blacksuperXtremeiceflowiar" rads. That bonnevilles been used so often its a no brainer.
You can make ur own res out of PVC pipe and 1/2" barbs all from Home Depot for under 5 bucks. Better than most of the drive bay and acrylic stuff out there.
Im using the 6002 swiftech CPU block but they can be hard to get. Swiftech apparently doesnt like selling stuff so theyre always on out of stock and on long term backorder. Dangerden and polarflo both make very nice blocks for you to check out. Id go with a 1/2" system over 3/8" any day.
P.S. dont waste ur cash on Tygon hose. CLearflex does the job just as well at less than half the price. The Tygon is expensive because it is rated to handle foods for consumption...nothing that has anything to do with watercooling.
You can make ur own res out of PVC pipe and 1/2" barbs all from Home Depot for under 5 bucks. Better than most of the drive bay and acrylic stuff out there.
Im using the 6002 swiftech CPU block but they can be hard to get. Swiftech apparently doesnt like selling stuff so theyre always on out of stock and on long term backorder. Dangerden and polarflo both make very nice blocks for you to check out. Id go with a 1/2" system over 3/8" any day.
P.S. dont waste ur cash on Tygon hose. CLearflex does the job just as well at less than half the price. The Tygon is expensive because it is rated to handle foods for consumption...nothing that has anything to do with watercooling.
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Masterkleer tubing from McMaster is great stuff IMO.
And you want a '77 Boneville heatercore. I don't know about the '71, but I know the '77 is popular with WC.
And you want a '77 Boneville heatercore. I don't know about the '71, but I know the '77 is popular with WC.
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Make sure you don't forgot the RAM sinks. But yeah, you save 60 bucks and you get about the same quality of performance.
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Pretty much...
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I think DTek has shrouds that fit that heater core nearly perfectly if you dont want to make one yourself.
http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=248
Someone let me know if I'm wrong about that. It fits my heatercore perfectly.
http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=248
Someone let me know if I'm wrong about that. It fits my heatercore perfectly.
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Here's my input on the whole thing dude, seeing as I finally got word on the thread.
CPU block: I've always been a very strong DangerDen supporter myself, and the 6000/TDX blocks are so ridiculously close in the ridings that it almost comes down to which one you like the look of more.....and which will suit your setup best for tube "routing" once it's all said and done. This is just my opinion, but I honestly think that the Swiftec blocks are quite ugly.....I prefer both the design (interior and exterior) of the TDX block, as well as the looks.
Res: There's gonna be a number of ways to get the reservoir dealt with, and the bayres is a very popular choice, due to its ability to stay "out of the way" in your case. One thing to be aware of is that a lot of people in the past have noticed that the bayres doens't hold up like it should, and some have seen it start to crack/leak due to having screws overtightened during the installation. While some form of bayres is probly the easiest and most convenient way to get this taken care of, there is another option. A very effective solution here would be to just not use a reservoir period. Instead what people will do is us a "T fitting" just before the inlet on your pump.....to create what can be called a "fillpoint"....essentially a seperate short length of tube in which the water is poured. Depending on the layout of a persons case and how they are placing the h2O components, a fillpoint may or may not be a wise choice.....but it is always a great way to get it done.....which will cost you FAR less then a bayres.....and won't add anything extra to the system that you'll have to worry about cracking or leaking, which is more then what I can say for the different varieties of bayres's there are out there.
Pump: If you want the absolute best 12v pump you're gonna be able to get without breaking the bank then you need to take a look at CSP 750 from C-Systems. That is a Canadian link, and since you're living up north with me, you'll really be able to appreciate the price. The CSP 750 is no more then 2 inches square, so you can fit it literally anywhere. What's nice about this little beauty is that when it's compared to larger (non 12v) pumps putting out in excess of 360gph.....the CSP 750 only causes a temperature rise of about 1 or 2C.....not bad for something that small and affordable, I wouldn't really look at anything else for a pump right now, blowing more then twice as much on an Eheim 1250 or something just really doesn't make sense at this point to me. Others may have different opinions and/or recomendations.....but for me, the CSP 750 is the most convenient and best "bang for your buck" 12v pump you're gonna find.
Video card block: I've got reasons for still wanting the DD block myself, but I'll give the Swiftech credit where it's due. It IS a lot more affordable.....and will/does cool the core just as well as the DD.....and those ramsinks FrozenCPU is carrying WOULD be really nice. The reason I still want the DD is because I'm taking the intake fan off my side panel and hooking up my Prometia I'm getting by the end of next month. With that intake fan gone I was gonna be building a water cooling setup just for the video card. At that point I was planning on abandoning my Vantec Fancard, and since my front intake fans are more for hard drive cooling.....I wouldn't have a lot of cool air coming the video cards way. Using the Swiftec block would make me have to resort to using ramsinks with some kind of direct airflow for omptimal cooling.....so I'd kinda have to leave that Fancard installed....which is gonna be too loud for my new setup. While the DD block is more expensive, it does do an extremely excellent job at cooling the core (people taking their Ultras to 470-485 quite frequently) while at the same time offering excellent cooling for the 6800's memory. Even though the cost is still more "up there" I believe that the DD block's memory cooling capabilities (from what I've seen/heard talking to ppl who have it) are still beyond what you'd be able to accomplish with ramsinks and an intake fan blowing on them. Since the core cooling of the two blocks IS fairly equal and the DD block offers superior memory cooling to what you'd get with those raminks it really just comes down to price....and if you're willing to spend twice as much to have it all rolled up into one package.
Radiator: Alright dude, first off......stop looking at those BIX POS's. What I'm going to tell you to do straight away is to head over to DTek Customs and take a good hard look at their Pro Heatercores they've got for sale. To start with, these "single fan" heatercores ARE going to blow that single fan BIX out of the water.....and if you were gonna set it up in a blow/suck config I'd even feel quite confident saying that it'd outperform the massively overpriced BIX2. What I found after a little bit of price comparisons is that (being in Canada no less) I can order a DTek Pro Heatercore with a 120mm shroud and still almost pay less after shipping/currency exchange then I would have spent BEFORE tax/shipping on that single fan BIX rad. If you're looking for optimal performance for a few more bux I'd get the DTek Heatercore with two shrouds.....so that you can set it up with one fan blowing through the core....and a second fan sucking off of it, and preferably out of the case. A push/pull setup like that with the Dtek core is going to give you temps that are going to blow away anything you would have been able to do with that single fan BIX rad.....and will be more comparitive to results from a BIX2 using 2-4 fans.....which is just stupid....spending THAT much money on the rad I mean.
Tubing: I can't really recommend much else other then Tygon here.....but get your hands on the best tubing you can get. As long as you don't settle for some generic/no-name tubing you should be good to go.....but just be aware that a lot of tubing out there will stain quite easily if you're gonna be using any kind of UV additives.....so don't cheap out on the hose.
Alright, well.....that's about all I can think of right now, if that wasn't helpfull then I don't know bud.....good luck, and PM me with any more questions you've got.
Oh, and just FYI, the parts I listed are basically exactly what I'm buying for my video card water setup once I've got the Prometia on the CPU, and I am going with the DD block for the reasons I outlined above, it's up to you and everyone else to decide if you agree with me or not.....but I'm standing firm on that one.
CPU block: I've always been a very strong DangerDen supporter myself, and the 6000/TDX blocks are so ridiculously close in the ridings that it almost comes down to which one you like the look of more.....and which will suit your setup best for tube "routing" once it's all said and done. This is just my opinion, but I honestly think that the Swiftec blocks are quite ugly.....I prefer both the design (interior and exterior) of the TDX block, as well as the looks.
Res: There's gonna be a number of ways to get the reservoir dealt with, and the bayres is a very popular choice, due to its ability to stay "out of the way" in your case. One thing to be aware of is that a lot of people in the past have noticed that the bayres doens't hold up like it should, and some have seen it start to crack/leak due to having screws overtightened during the installation. While some form of bayres is probly the easiest and most convenient way to get this taken care of, there is another option. A very effective solution here would be to just not use a reservoir period. Instead what people will do is us a "T fitting" just before the inlet on your pump.....to create what can be called a "fillpoint"....essentially a seperate short length of tube in which the water is poured. Depending on the layout of a persons case and how they are placing the h2O components, a fillpoint may or may not be a wise choice.....but it is always a great way to get it done.....which will cost you FAR less then a bayres.....and won't add anything extra to the system that you'll have to worry about cracking or leaking, which is more then what I can say for the different varieties of bayres's there are out there.
Pump: If you want the absolute best 12v pump you're gonna be able to get without breaking the bank then you need to take a look at CSP 750 from C-Systems. That is a Canadian link, and since you're living up north with me, you'll really be able to appreciate the price. The CSP 750 is no more then 2 inches square, so you can fit it literally anywhere. What's nice about this little beauty is that when it's compared to larger (non 12v) pumps putting out in excess of 360gph.....the CSP 750 only causes a temperature rise of about 1 or 2C.....not bad for something that small and affordable, I wouldn't really look at anything else for a pump right now, blowing more then twice as much on an Eheim 1250 or something just really doesn't make sense at this point to me. Others may have different opinions and/or recomendations.....but for me, the CSP 750 is the most convenient and best "bang for your buck" 12v pump you're gonna find.
Video card block: I've got reasons for still wanting the DD block myself, but I'll give the Swiftech credit where it's due. It IS a lot more affordable.....and will/does cool the core just as well as the DD.....and those ramsinks FrozenCPU is carrying WOULD be really nice. The reason I still want the DD is because I'm taking the intake fan off my side panel and hooking up my Prometia I'm getting by the end of next month. With that intake fan gone I was gonna be building a water cooling setup just for the video card. At that point I was planning on abandoning my Vantec Fancard, and since my front intake fans are more for hard drive cooling.....I wouldn't have a lot of cool air coming the video cards way. Using the Swiftec block would make me have to resort to using ramsinks with some kind of direct airflow for omptimal cooling.....so I'd kinda have to leave that Fancard installed....which is gonna be too loud for my new setup. While the DD block is more expensive, it does do an extremely excellent job at cooling the core (people taking their Ultras to 470-485 quite frequently) while at the same time offering excellent cooling for the 6800's memory. Even though the cost is still more "up there" I believe that the DD block's memory cooling capabilities (from what I've seen/heard talking to ppl who have it) are still beyond what you'd be able to accomplish with ramsinks and an intake fan blowing on them. Since the core cooling of the two blocks IS fairly equal and the DD block offers superior memory cooling to what you'd get with those raminks it really just comes down to price....and if you're willing to spend twice as much to have it all rolled up into one package.
Radiator: Alright dude, first off......stop looking at those BIX POS's. What I'm going to tell you to do straight away is to head over to DTek Customs and take a good hard look at their Pro Heatercores they've got for sale. To start with, these "single fan" heatercores ARE going to blow that single fan BIX out of the water.....and if you were gonna set it up in a blow/suck config I'd even feel quite confident saying that it'd outperform the massively overpriced BIX2. What I found after a little bit of price comparisons is that (being in Canada no less) I can order a DTek Pro Heatercore with a 120mm shroud and still almost pay less after shipping/currency exchange then I would have spent BEFORE tax/shipping on that single fan BIX rad. If you're looking for optimal performance for a few more bux I'd get the DTek Heatercore with two shrouds.....so that you can set it up with one fan blowing through the core....and a second fan sucking off of it, and preferably out of the case. A push/pull setup like that with the Dtek core is going to give you temps that are going to blow away anything you would have been able to do with that single fan BIX rad.....and will be more comparitive to results from a BIX2 using 2-4 fans.....which is just stupid....spending THAT much money on the rad I mean.
Tubing: I can't really recommend much else other then Tygon here.....but get your hands on the best tubing you can get. As long as you don't settle for some generic/no-name tubing you should be good to go.....but just be aware that a lot of tubing out there will stain quite easily if you're gonna be using any kind of UV additives.....so don't cheap out on the hose.
Alright, well.....that's about all I can think of right now, if that wasn't helpfull then I don't know bud.....good luck, and PM me with any more questions you've got.
Oh, and just FYI, the parts I listed are basically exactly what I'm buying for my video card water setup once I've got the Prometia on the CPU, and I am going with the DD block for the reasons I outlined above, it's up to you and everyone else to decide if you agree with me or not.....but I'm standing firm on that one.
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Finsta said:Aaah.....Many thanks, my good friend.
EDIT: You posted a link to your thread, was that supposed to be that way?
Hehe, my bad......fixed it.
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What they're saying is that they recommend using dual pumps for a multiblock setup.....and this is what they're referring to. Look to the bottom of that page.....you see how the pumps simply join togethor? That is a newer revision that hasn't yet made it to Canada.....hell, even DTek doesn't have any.
What I'd recommend is to NOT ditch your video card block, and start with one pump. See what the results are like, and if you want, you can always get the second pump to run in sequence to give you that extra boost.
Honestly though I'd want to try out the single pump with both blocks first to see how it does. The single pump itself performs on par with other larger name 317+GPH pumps.....so unless there's a major design difference and teh 750 CAN'T handle multiple blocks you should be alright.
What I'd recommend is to NOT ditch your video card block, and start with one pump. See what the results are like, and if you want, you can always get the second pump to run in sequence to give you that extra boost.
Honestly though I'd want to try out the single pump with both blocks first to see how it does. The single pump itself performs on par with other larger name 317+GPH pumps.....so unless there's a major design difference and teh 750 CAN'T handle multiple blocks you should be alright.
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Finsta said:I don't want to take chances so, what should I do? I don't want a BBQ'd PC.
You're not gonna "bake" anything....all that'd happen is that your flow rate might be a bit lower.....so you'll still be getting some nice temps.....just not AS nice as they could be. Considering the CSP 750 in on par with numerous other pumps rated at over 310GPH, I dont see why it'd crap out in multi-block setups.....as most pumps don't. If there IS going to be a problem then it'll have just something directly to do with the design of the pump.....in which case you could just add teh second pump afterwards. I still havent seen any reviews where the CSP750 was used in a cpu-nb-gpu setup.....but it'd still be worth trying out.